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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 14, 2012 12:43 AM |
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Hardcore says little if one only plays single. I thought I was good too but I got a good thrashing when I started online. Disregard that if you also consider yourself a good online player.
Perhaps I was lucky, perhaps your map script is bugged in some way, go figure. All I can remember is that Gilraen attacked me, lost and that I had enough army to deal with the remaining heroes. Don't remember having a strong army so I probably didn't take long, I tend to breeze through campaigns than take my time if the mission allows. Of course it HAS been some years so.. who knows. All I can confirm is that the mission is possible to complete. Hard but hardly impossible.
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vulcancolak
Famous Hero
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posted November 14, 2012 01:06 AM |
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listen, you know i'm trying to pass this mission for a long time as you can see. i created topic about that and i've tried too many tricks i've learned from the other players.
When i defeat gilraen in the castle, i can't resist agains other heroes
when i try to ranged attacks, archers kicks my ass
when i try to spell, elder druids kicks my ass
when i try to melee, silver unicorns and wardancers kicks my ass
when i try to escape, he takes the 3'rd town
when i try to bring reinforcements from my 1st town, damn sprites blocks the way and kicks ass of my level 1 hero and his army
when i try to rush another town, phoenixes blocks my way and i've lost my army
when i try to attack before he attacks, he brings powerful army than me
when i try build strategies with my very high offensive power, his defense is nearly equal to mine
when i try to stay in the town, other heroes does not attacks and combines armies with their two towns
when i try to use artifacts from the right bottom corner, my gold is not enough for the dragons
when i try to make his army follow my other hero, he does not cares and attacks the 3'rd town
when i try to play defensive, agrael's defense is poor when compared with his attack
when i try to cast spells, my spellpower is no match for my attack
when i try to try, everytime gilraen kicks my ass
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PeterFarkas
Adventuring Hero
LeBronTosaurus
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posted November 14, 2012 09:38 AM |
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Pretty much of this has already been said, but I'll post my version of winning this map here.
0. Hero build
Gating: Expert is not necessary IMO, MotD is pretty much nice, Hellfire's useful, Corpsefeeding is quite useless
Offense: Get Painful strike ASAP
Logistics: Have it on expert. Helps a lot. Perks don't matter that much.
What I usually aim for as a safe build:
Defense. If you don't have it, you will be shredded into pieces. Vitality is the most useful as your army will consist of low level creatures mostly. After that, try to get Prot or Evasion and the skill upgraded as much as possible.
War machines. Destructive may also work well but IMO Inferno just creeps a lot easier if they have WMs. Ballista looks quite obvious and First Aid is also useful to minimize minor losses, e.g. against Sprites.
1. Week of looting
Defeat Gilraen, get as many mines as possible. If you have a good ballista, the sawmill, the ore pit and the sulfur depo are easy to capture from the East side and anything on the West side is a bonus.
2. Week of towns
As said before, only capture the town on day 8. Stand as near as possible to it. After I have it, I don't tend to upgrade it too much, some dwellings, city hall, maybe a silo.
Head north as soon as possible and meet up with a ferry hero from the Inferno town. Speed is key. You can choose if you want to kill the treants at the gold mine, the raiders at the gem mine and the steelheads in front of the SP stuff just don't waste too much time.
Kill the magi, again WMs help a lot, then visit the arena.
Hit the earth elementals, Painful strike is really massive here.
After those, don't loot much, you may capture the Military post if you want but nothing else.
You should have reached the northwest town before the end of week two, and if the AI's playing hard, it should be well upgraded woth good dwellings and possibly it's easy to build a Capitol.
I don't tend to find Gilraen here, usually he's gathering troops at the main town in the northeast corner.
3. Running in circles
A strategy can be that you gather as many troops as possible and wait for him in the second Sylvan. Sometimes you can hold off, sometimes it is impossible because shooters screw you up.
If he looks too hard, run towards the arena and leave a dummy hero there, try to wear him down.
Head south towards the arena, check if he was stupid enough to break through the Emerald Drags at the river. If he was, the northeast town should be quite an easy capture.
Don't worry if he heads for the south town, get all the troops, a hero and try to cause as many casualties as possible. He won't go for the Inferno I think.
Again, WMs helps you to defeat appearing roadblocks without suffering many losses.
The key is to outmaneuver him as he doesn't have Logs and you can pretty much abuse that.
The goal is, at the end of the day, to get him out of supplies and reinforcements so you could defeat him easily.
I hope that can help.
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vulcancolak
Famous Hero
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posted November 14, 2012 01:57 PM |
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First, thanks for your interest and i wish i wanna say "i'll try it thanks for your help" but i already tried everything you said.
Agrael already have a leadership and ballista skill and ballista is really important for me.
As you said, i don't interest with consume corpse or any damn magic skills (exclude hellfire)
Today i'm off. 2 or 2 weeks later i'll start try to tests.
By the way this is the only game i'm tried to pass hundreds of time. When i try to sleep, i've seeing the map desing, number of creatures etc  i'm already know every point in this damn mission
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scythesong
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 15, 2012 01:05 AM |
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I remember this map vaguely. I too used a bit of AI cheese, namely AI pathing abuse (with gate and stacks) and hero luring. I too only took the first town then waited until I felt that I could reliably take down the heroes that came after Gilraen.
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vulcancolak
Famous Hero
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posted November 15, 2012 01:55 PM |
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By the way i realized something. Yesterday one of my friends sends his video during the mission. He did everything same as like me but problem is, when gilraen appeared there are no emerald dragons but in my game he brings 8 or 9 emerald dragons. He got a 2 towns and that's impossible gather 9 dragons quickly. Now i'm absolutely sure there are problem in my game. Ok i'm off i'll remove and install it again...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 15, 2012 02:13 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:17, 15 Nov 2012.
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I suspected as much.. Don't recall any emeralds myself. Good luck!
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted November 15, 2012 02:23 PM |
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In my game he had 3-7 greenies but not emeralds.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 15, 2012 02:24 PM |
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I am curious though, how long into the game was that..?
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PeterFarkas
Adventuring Hero
LeBronTosaurus
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posted November 15, 2012 02:27 PM |
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Maybe it's the Emerald drags at the river joining him. Like roadblocks, they usually flee and sometimes join Gilraen.
With Emeralds, yeah, that is a real pain.
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted November 15, 2012 02:38 PM |
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I take the first sylvan town week one and delay gilraen by one day to get the units. I think his dragons has something to do with how he takes his route the first week.
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vulcancolak
Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2012 12:43 AM |
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FINALLY !!!!!
i've reinstalled the game, added patches again and this time i'm completed this mission on hard difficulty without save/load
BUT i realized something. When i re-installed the game, gilraen's first appearance weaker than normal. When i saw him first time he always travels minimum packs of emerald dragons but this time there are NO EMERALD DRAGON
that's the my 2'nd bug i saw in the game. The first one is, when imperial griffins retaliates to attack, game is closing and that's the second finally i'm very very happy because this mission was the only mission i can't complete on hard difficulty
YEAH !
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 18, 2012 12:25 PM |
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markkur
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
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posted November 18, 2012 03:26 PM |
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Edited by markkur at 15:28, 18 Nov 2012.
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When i saw him first time he always travels minimum packs of emerald dragons but this time there are NO EMERALD DRAGON
I think PeterFarkas is correct and the difficulty was "the Emerald dragons at the river joining him."
As a map-maker after I've created a map I need to test. By testing, I've found the same map playing much harder or easier a second or third time. The reason is the randomness of H5.
Unseen by the player and depending on the A.I. Hero level, those dragons may or may not join, as you know and if I save after they did join there's no way around that.
The only way that I can truly be sure of a map's difficulty is to use the editor and change every creature-stack on the map's likelyhood of joining a Hero. However, with Ubi/Nival, I'd guess the creature setting was 50/50% pre stat-modifiers.
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