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Thread: Popped in the Pooper in a Pup Tent [ This thread is 8 pages long: 1 2 (3) 4 5 6 7 8 ]
Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 21, 2012 01:20 AM

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I got the impression that you wanted to ban gay kids from showering with their friends?


What gave you that nonsensical idea?
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Elodin
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posted July 21, 2012 05:19 AM
Edited by Elodin at 05:21, 21 Jul 2012.

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Taking a required oath that you contradict the moment you utter the words, isn't a very enlightened thing to do.


Yep, it means you are a person of poor character and don't fit in with the Scouts. The Boy Scouts are an organization that believes in God and has certain standards of morality. If you don't believe in God or don't share their morals then you simply have no business in the Scouts.
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Elodin
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posted July 21, 2012 05:25 AM

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Isn't that what homosexuals are driving at though?

I find a homosexual male showering with other males same as a men showering with women.

To this you answered that it would be unfair on the women because they wouldn't like it.

So what of the opinion of the heterosexual males showering with a homosexual? Tough, stupid bigots, right?


Exactly. Some people think only homosexuals have rights and that what they want is all that matters. If others don't agree with what they want then they are obviously bigots.

Heterosexuals should not be forced to shower or undress in front of homosexuals. Be it in the Boy Scouts or the military.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 21, 2012 06:11 AM

Strange somewhat.
Until 2010 there was the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy in the US military. This obviously means that every person you were showering with might be a homosexual - I don't think, though, that anyone panicked because of that or got a paranoia.
Now since 2010 people can come out. So that means, Joe Smith comes out, and people have showered with him a couple of months or even years without that being a problem. But now they know "He's gay!" - it IS one?
How come?

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Doomforge
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posted July 21, 2012 09:35 AM

I don't see a problem with some gay guy thinking I'm hot in the shower, lol. It's not like he's going to rape me.
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Jabanoss
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posted July 21, 2012 10:48 AM

So silly, really.
Of course it in the Scouts right certainly to ban whoever they want, but really?
Banning gays, just for being gays? Some people truly have an unnatural fear or stupid prejudices for people unlike themselves. :/

Btw, today I learned that the Scouts is a religious cult.
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Xerox
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posted July 21, 2012 11:42 AM

and they indoctrinate little children with religion too!!!

they're worse than the Mass Effect Reapers
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violent_flower
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posted July 21, 2012 12:51 PM


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Yep, it means you are a person of poor character and don't fit in with the Scouts. The Boy Scouts are an organization that believes in God and has certain standards of morality. If you don't believe in God or don't share their morals then you simply have no business in the Scouts.


Thank you for speaking out of intelligence instead of ignorance. Nice to see you BTW.

@X- I never once proclaimed that because someone was gay they were predators or going to rape anyone but way to over exaggerate to get your ill thought out point across.

So because you don't seem to understand what I am saying I will break this down Barney style for you, do you know who Barney is? He is a child's character that explains things with the intellect of a kinder gardener so that children can understand what he is saying. I will also provide larger font so you won't miss anything.

OK IF YOU HAVE A WINKY AND I HAVE A FROGGY AND YOU ARE, OH 12 OR SO, YOU MAY WANT TO PLAY HOUSE WITH ME. YOU MAY NOT FORCE ME TO PLAY HOUSE  
WITH YOU AND YOUR WINKY, BUT IF I TAKE OFF MY CLOTH AND WE GET INTO A SHOWER THAT WOULD BE NAUGHTY.

YOU MAY LOOK AT MY FROGGY AND THAT IS NOT NICE BECAUSE I AM INNOCENT AND MY PARENTS HAVE TOLD ME NOT TO SLEEP IN PUP TENTS OR TAKE SHOWERS WITH WINKYS UNTIL I AM OLD ENOUGH TO DECIDE.

OK X, NOW IF WE BOTH HAVE FROGGYS AND WE BOTH LIKE WINKYS THEN  WE CAN SHOWER TOGETHER BECAUSE I WILL NOT THINK ANYTHING OF YOUr FROGGY. I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME, PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT MY WINKY.
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Xerox
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posted July 21, 2012 01:23 PM

Elodin and violent_flower are like the Team Rocket of HC.

Team Conservative?
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violent_flower
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posted July 21, 2012 01:33 PM

Oh you mean we have the intelligence of a well rounded and well cultured person, thanks and I agree. BTW um, nope on the conservative comment but considering that seems to be your answer when people disagree with you when their politics is not the same as yours, its understandable.

Amazing too that you still don't see the point!  
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JoonasTo
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posted July 21, 2012 02:41 PM

I still don't see the issue with all kids sleeping in the same tent. There are those who've sayed they don't agree with it but no one has cared to explain why. Anyone?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 21, 2012 05:32 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 17:36, 21 Jul 2012.

I made a very simple analogy that appears logically sound, but seems to be completely ignored or misinterpreted (?). But for your sake I'll repeat myself.

The reason a homosexual male (or female) is an inadequate 'sleeping buddy', is the same reason girls and boys are not permitted to sleep together in the same tent, regardless of how close friends they are, they will still be denied. But why? Not like every heterosexual 12 year old will try to make a move on a girl, why can't they sleep in the same tent, or shower together?

Because my friend, society hasn't degraded enough to allow that, not just yet anyhow.
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Jabanoss
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posted July 21, 2012 06:05 PM

Why wouldn't a boy and a girl be allowed to sleep in the same tent??
I shared tent with plenty of girls when I was a kid, I don't see the big fuss.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted July 21, 2012 06:44 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 19:21, 21 Jul 2012.

On a school trip? Because what flies with you is fine, and I'm glad that you voiced it. But many different variations are subjected to the same set of rules, only asinine short sighted fools would  force their experiences as an 'absolute' on everyone else.

Id est you slept in the same tent as a girl (I'll assume it was a friend) and it was fine and nothing negative or awkward happened. On that basis I'm supposed to believe this would be true for EVERY child?


Bottom line? The sexes sleeping in different tents avoids needless complication on a large (country/state wide) scale, as would homosexual males to not be forced into a male only environment. Every homosexual in my experience and school-life kept themselves with the girls rather than the boys, this may not be true in your case or in many cases, but I see no evidence why this is not true.

I'd be more than happy if homosexuals were given a choice whether they'd want to sleep with a girl-friend, or with the guys, I find that any teacher that deserves the title could make an educated decision on the matter. (circumstance and near infinite variations)
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blizzardboy
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posted July 21, 2012 07:39 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:59, 21 Jul 2012.

It's called the joy of a vengeance-driven legal system. I.E. Guys and girls sleep together in a tent 10,000 times and nothing happens. Then you have a freak occasion where a boy ends up molesting a girl, she goes to the police, hell breaks loose, and then it becomes an organizational policy not to allow genders to mix from that point forward in order to avoid a lawsuit. If it does happen again and the organization didn't take sufficient measures to avoid it from happening, such as constructing a titanium bicarbonate wall patrolled by guard dogs with mounted anti-aircraft batteries, then that could jeopardize them in court if another incident happens, so it becomes a lot easier to simply jot down in the rulebook, "Girls in tent X, Y, and Z, boys in tent A, B, and C."

In an informal setting it doesn't matter so much, but for any large-scale organization, it's not that surprising that they would want to cover all of their bases.
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Jabanoss
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posted July 21, 2012 09:39 PM
Edited by Jabanoss at 21:40, 21 Jul 2012.

@Tsar
So you mean that girls and boy should not share tent since one of them 'might' not like it?
Well in that case it's pretty obvious, that they don't have to sleep in the same tent. Pretty simple.

My point is, if someone have an issue with gays showering together with straight people, then that is their business and they are the ones that has to act accordingly. Going around and excluding gays simply because someone else have a problem with it, isn't right.
If you don't like that a gay person is showering besides you, maybe you should wait and shower later... or just get over it. Seriously what is the big deal?
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JoonasTo
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posted July 21, 2012 09:57 PM

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It's called the joy of a vengeance-driven legal system. I.E. Guys and girls sleep together in a tent 10,000 times and nothing happens. Then you have a freak occasion where a boy ends up molesting a girl, she goes to the police, hell breaks loose, and then it becomes an organizational policy not to allow genders to mix from that point forward in order to avoid a lawsuit. If it does happen again and the organization didn't take sufficient measures to avoid it from happening, such as constructing a titanium bicarbonate wall patrolled by guard dogs with mounted anti-aircraft batteries, then that could jeopardize them in court if another incident happens, so it becomes a lot easier to simply jot down in the rulebook, "Girls in tent X, Y, and Z, boys in tent A, B, and C."

In an informal setting it doesn't matter so much, but for any large-scale organization, it's not that surprising that they would want to cover all of their bases.


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Ghost
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posted February 04, 2013 07:55 PM

OBAMA!

http://jezebel.com/5981390/obama-asks-boy-scouts-to-stop-being-homophobes-and-admit-gays

Pedogay are happy? 18-aged?

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Xerox
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posted February 06, 2013 04:27 PM

please please tell me that gay scouts are accepted in the civilized and progressive states?

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Corribus
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posted February 07, 2013 12:08 AM

Boy Scouts is a national organization.  It doesn't matter what state you're in.  Policies are the same.
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