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gnomes2169
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posted February 07, 2013 01:41 AM

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Boy Scouts is a national organization.  It doesn't matter what state you're in.  Policies are the same.

Actually, Boy Scouts functions in Chapters, and the chapters themselves decide which of the national policies they should follow. In other words, the national head makes guidelines that chapters and councils can choose to follow, not set in stone rules. For instance, I know for a fact that the council here in the northern midwest allows atheists and homosexual/ bisexual boys and girls. (Yes, boy scouts allows girls to join. What has this world come to?) In Texas, I am certain that none of those facts are true.

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Corribus
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posted February 07, 2013 02:01 AM

Well then I stand corrected!
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posted February 07, 2013 02:02 AM

Of course, this could have changed in the one year since I haven't been in scouts (aged out after all), but somehow I don't think so...

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posted February 07, 2013 02:04 AM
Edited by Vindicator at 02:52, 07 Feb 2013.

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Yes, boy scouts allows girls to join. What has this world come to?


Why can't they just... you know, join girl scouts?

About this whole thing, why can't you just ask your camp director or whoever it happens to be? There' probably plenty of people comfortable with showering with kids of the same gender who happen to be gay, so just switch it up. Or you could just ask the kid to please not look, not sure why you can't do that.
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posted February 07, 2013 02:48 AM

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Why can't they just... you know, join girl scouts?

Because Girl Scouts has such a pitiful program that it holds nothing of value to anyone over the age of 12.

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posted February 07, 2013 02:52 AM

They've got cookies, though.  That's got to count for something.
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posted February 07, 2013 03:25 AM

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There' probably plenty of people comfortable with showering with kids of the same gender who happen to be gay, so just switch it up. Or you could just ask the kid to please not look, not sure why you can't do that.


Yeah, because parents and the kids would be comfortable for girls and boys to be showering together and just saying, "don't look."  Righhhhht.

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posted February 07, 2013 03:41 AM

Well, I don't know, I'm not comfortable showering with anyone, I'm sure there's some people out there that don't care. I obviously don't know for certain as I haven't, you know, conducted surveys, but I could imagine people not caring all that much.
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posted February 07, 2013 04:37 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 06:26, 07 Feb 2013.

Hell I prefer to shower with people. I get lonely in there

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And my disobedient cat hates water. Stubborn little **** refuses to be bros and hang out in the tub with me while I give myself a full body scrub.
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posted February 07, 2013 07:38 AM

Doesn't the US have laws against gender- and sexuality discrimination?
This thing where girls and HBTQ-people can't join would neeeeeever be allowed in Sweden.

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posted February 07, 2013 01:56 PM

The boy scouts are a private organization that believes in God. Scouts take an oath. The scouts, not the government, gets to define what is "morally straight." If a person does not believe in God, patriotism,  or the morals of the scouts they simply have no business in the organization.

The Scouts are no more discriminating against gays than Catholics are discriminatig against Muslims by not ordaining priests who are Muslim.

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To help other people at all times;
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posted February 07, 2013 02:37 PM

I think the Boy Scouts are discriminating not only against gays but also against Jesus Christ, when they assume or imply that Jesus Christ may have had something against gays that would warrant exclusion.

After all the Boy Scouts call themselves CHRISTIAN - not Jewish, or Jahwean, but CHRISTIAN, and I don't seem to remember Jesus saying something about all gays being damned in all eternity.

Practically spoken, all these organizations humiliate and offend Jesus by implying and assuming His love would be limited to straight people.

And of course your comparison sucks, Elodin, because those examples are completely different things. Of course, becoming a member of the Boy Scouts makes sense only for CHRISTIANS - but look above: do you really think, gays can't be Christians?

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posted February 07, 2013 03:10 PM

Scouts are also so far from patriotism as something possibly can be. It's an international organisation with a lot of international activity afterall.
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posted February 07, 2013 03:11 PM
Edited by Elodin at 15:15, 07 Feb 2013.

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I think the Boy Scouts are discriminating not only against gays but also against Jesus Christ, when they assume or imply that Jesus Christ may have had something against gays that would warrant exclusion.

After all the Boy Scouts call themselves CHRISTIAN - not Jewish, or Jahwean, but CHRISTIAN, and I don't seem to remember Jesus saying something about all gays being damned in all eternity.

Practically spoken, all these organizations humiliate and offend Jesus by implying and assuming His love would be limited to straight people.

And of course your comparison sucks, Elodin, because those examples are completely different things. Of course, becoming a member of the Boy Scouts makes sense only for CHRISTIANS - but look above: do you really think, gays can't be Christians?


Your opinions are based on a lack of knowledge about who Jesus Christ is and what he said about the Old Covenant scriptures as well as about marriage.

Jesus Christ is God himself existing as a man. He said as much when he said, "I and my Father are one," "Before Abraham, I AM."

First, Jesus Christ stated the Old Covenant Scripture is the Word of God. There is no getting around that. The Old Covenant Scripture clearly states homosexual sex is sin.

Second, Jesus Christ clearly stated that God's intention from the beginning is that marriage is between one man and one woman. Thus no gay marriage.

Third, the apostles of Jesus Christ, who wrote under the divine inspiration of the Spirit of Christ, stated homosexual sex is sin.

Fourth, to be a Christian you have to repent (turn from) your sins. A person living a homosexual life has not turned from his sins because homosexual sex is sin according to both the Old and New Covenant Scriptures. No one, regardless of what his lips confess, who refuses to turn from his sins will be in heaven.

God loves everyone and died for everyone as the man Jesus Christ.  That shows both the mercy and the seriousness of sin. God's arms are open to all, inviting all to leave their sin and come to him. Wrap your arms around God or cling to your sin. That is your choice to make.

Edit:  By the way, Jesus never talked about pedophilia or bestiality does that mean you claim those are not sin?
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JollyJoker
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posted February 07, 2013 03:41 PM

The Old Testament is valid only for Jews, otherwise we would be obliged to kill all gays and a couple of other people.

Therefore Jesus's word about the validity of the old scriptures is valid only for Jews either.

For Non-Jews, there has er been any kind of union between God and them, except with and through Jesus, and it's HIM the rest is supposed to believe in, making the Old Testament irrelevant for everyone except the Jews, and even they don't seem to stone the sinners anymore, it seems.

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posted February 07, 2013 06:26 PM

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The Scouts are no more discriminating against gays than Catholics are discriminatig against Muslims by not ordaining priests who are Muslim.


Being a catholic or muslim is a choice.

Being a biological girl or homosexual is not a choice.

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posted February 07, 2013 09:24 PM
Edited by xerox at 21:24, 07 Feb 2013.

So what do you want to do, ecourage gay kids to live a lie in order to get into the Scouts? Or the US finally admits that there needs to be laws against discrimination towards individuals with in-nature permament conditions such as sexuality and gender.

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What if Elvin was female?
posted February 07, 2013 09:26 PM

Kinda relevant but isn't US boy scouts like the gayest organisation to ever exist after the catholic churc?
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posted February 07, 2013 09:42 PM

That's why I said "in-nature". Of course we can change pretty much everything with science and tech but I don't think that should be expected of people to do just to get access to civil society.

Kids that have reached puberty. I don't really believe in all those stories where four year old boys want to sex change. That's probably adult influence/brainwashing.

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posted February 08, 2013 05:35 PM

Looks like they are changing their minds now and deciding that they can't function as a group without members. I also wonder if they will sew giant rainbow flags onto the uniforms so they know to put them all in the same tent together!
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