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posted February 08, 2013 07:34 PM |
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maybe the kids will start having those handchiefs in their pants, the yellow one means you crave a plus 30 centimeter big stick
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posted February 08, 2013 07:44 PM |
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Here in England it's against the law to be strip searched by members of the opposite sex, but it's perfectly fine to have a homosexual to do it. I said that if a homosexual is allowed to do it, then it defeats the point of not allowing the woman to do it. Now I'm a bigot for some reason,
"Not every gay guy fancies you"
Erm, okay, so why isn't a woman allowed to strip search me?
"Because it's open to abuse".
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Elodin
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posted February 08, 2013 09:02 PM |
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So what do you want to do, ecourage gay kids to live a lie in order to get into the Scouts? Or the US finally admits that there needs to be laws against discrimination towards individuals with in-nature permament conditions such as sexuality and gender.
I'd expect people to want to join organizations that they are compatible with. If the scout code says a person must revere and must obey God and a person is an atheist said person is a moron if he thinks that he is compatible with the organization. Likewise, the scouts have a certain moral standard and every scout must vow to be "morally straight." Gays are not "morally straight" according to the scout morals and therefore have no business being in the scouts.
And and you keep saying gays are "born that way" and yet there is no evidence that being homosexual is genetic. There is no evidence that any sexual fetish is genetic.
Private organizations should have the right to admit only members who conform to their belief system.
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JoonasTo
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posted February 08, 2013 09:12 PM |
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Everyone in this discussion who is an actual scout please raise their hand.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 08, 2013 09:30 PM |
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Well, the interesting question here is the following: if there WAS undisputable proof that homosexuality had biological reasons - which, if I'm not wrong isn't, but there is very, very strong indication -, what would that say about a god that created humans, but gave order to kill homosexuals?
Clearly, the responsibility thing with Christian religion - you get, what you deserve, everyone is responsible for what they do, and so on - is going to pieces, the more behaviour can be attributed to biology.
So from a religious point of view, homosexuality cannot have biological reasons, because what kind of a being would that make the Biblical god.
The bottom line is, that all these "orientation change efforts" are nothing more like survival efforts to rescue the Biblical god.
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violent_flower
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posted February 08, 2013 10:40 PM |
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Everyone in this discussion who is an actual scout please raise their hand.
I worked as a cub scout leader for three years and both of my boys were scouts. I was then involved after that for a long time.
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posted February 08, 2013 11:25 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 23:26, 08 Feb 2013.
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I was part of a Christian scout group as a kid.
In my opinion, discrimination is when you make it impossible for an individual with an unchangeable condition to join in. I.e. sexuality, not religion. If I could choose to be a hetereosexual, I would. I wanted to have girlfriend, house, dog and kids. Unfortunaly, I saw those dreams crushed into a million sparkling stars and rainbows.
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posted February 09, 2013 02:27 AM |
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Everyone in this discussion who is an actual scout please raise their hand.
Yop. For 12 years (started with the Cub Scouts program).
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Elodin
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posted February 09, 2013 09:16 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 09:20, 09 Feb 2013.
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So from a religious point of view, homosexuality cannot have biological reasons, because what kind of a being would that make the Biblical god.
The bottom line is, that all these "orientation change efforts" are nothing more like survival efforts to rescue the Biblical god.
*****GONG*****
Your lack of knowledge about what the Bible says has lead you to an erroneous position.
All human beings are prone to sin but each is more susceptible to different sins be it for biological reasons, psychological reasons, or whatever. Being tempted does not equate to "having" to do something. And the Bible clearly indicates that each person is indeed tempted more by different things.
And there is NO evidence homosexuality or any other fetish is genetic. There would have to be many thousands of sexual fetish genes and they simply don't exist.
By the way, there are certainly people who once were gay who are now heterosexuals. For instance Clicky
And see this Sex in the City star who says she chose to be gay, that she was not born that way.
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“For me, it is a choice,” Nixon told the Times. “I understand that for many people it’s not, but for me it’s a choice, and you don’t get to define my gayness for me.”
Nixon, 45, is engaged to her long-time partner Christine Marinoni, who gave birth last February to their son, Max Ellington Nixon-Marinoni.
“I also feel like people think I was walking around in a cloud and didn’t realize I was gay, which I find really offensive,” she told the Times. “I find it offensive to me, but I also find it offensive to all the men I’ve been out with.”
And the Bible mentions in one of Paul's letters to the Corinthians some people who had once lead a homosexual life but had now been delivered by the power of the Spirit. God can free us from any sin if we are willing to be freed.
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posted February 09, 2013 11:28 AM |
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If you have an arousal with only same gender, it means nature made you like that (nature=god, who else?). You can draw from your will and repeat 15678 times a day "I must be hetero because right now I am a sinner" but this doesn't change the evidence: you can't have sex without an erection, chemistry can not lie.
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By the way, there are certainly people who once were gay who are now heterosexuals.
Religious propaganda, any gay will laugh in your face. Don't force me to find 1 million links denying this, because there are. Either they were both, or simply they don't have anymore sexual life from that point and spend their days masturbating in the closet. Sexual orientation should be private and never discriminated in ANY organization.
Law is above religion because it must protect everyone, sinner or not.
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posted February 09, 2013 11:51 AM |
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... homosexuality or any other fetish ...
Unacceptable BS.
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posted February 09, 2013 12:14 PM |
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A heterosexual person can, despite having been heterosexual for his entire life, find homosexual love and develop homosexual tendencies, to a degree where this person would identify oneself with being homosexual, not bi-sexual.
I don't think it's such a large leap of faith to guess the opposite can happen, despite with the structure of society making such a scenario less likely, it's possible, I'd say even likely, our sexual preferences is not set in stone from we're born.
Not to derail the topic too much, but even our genetic codes will differ as we grow older, and our genetic code is only a description of what is possible within the time frame this code is active, not what will happen. While the genetic code is nothing without an environment where the protein can express their functionality optimally, one ought to remember a large part of this environment is the human decision as well.
Btw. I am not saying if you get a boner by looking at nude guys that it's because you choose to, or because there's something wrong with you. I am saying that while you, today, may get a boner by looking at a nude dude, it might not be the case in a month, or a year, or five years. Like it wasn't the case a month ago, or a year ago, or five years ago. However the decisions you made during the period before you got the boner by looking at the nude dude, combined with how you're build from birth, given the place you live and the way of life there, will likely have contributed to some degree of the situation you're in now. Maybe the degree is zero and it was completely deterministic, maybe the degree is one hundred procent and if you were omniscient you could have prevented it. But my guess is it's neither of those two extremes.
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posted February 09, 2013 12:29 PM |
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You guys are wasting your time, if religous dogma says it's sin, he'll find a way to rationalize it into a sin. Since he can't bend something as straight forward as being gay is sin and god can't be wrong, he'll try to bend logic itself, scientific data, or social customs. Like saying "it's in scout's code not to be gay" The rules of being a scout (unlike religious dogma) can be modified in time though, I'm pretty sure there was a time when black people couldn't be scouts.
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posted February 09, 2013 12:48 PM |
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Religious propaganda, any gay will laugh in your face. Don't force me to find 1 million links denying this
Not all homosexuals are the same, (same for every bloody person) given your stance I'd have thought that you'd realize that.
Even if you did post 1 million people who lived their lives differently, it still wouldn't counter Elodin's point.
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Either they were both, or simply they don't have anymore sexual life from that point and spend their days masturbating in the closet. Sexual orientation should be private and never discriminated in ANY organization.
And this, is just offensive. Sexual orientation has an effect on behavior, if you've ever been to an all-boys school you'd realize that girls affect the behavior of boys, otherwise it's very existance would be ludicrous. If a man/woman would be a 100% disciplined machine, then I'd agree with your point about disclosure, though in certain areas it would not matter, but in others it would.
I believe in a world of harmony, a society where men and women of EVERY creed work toward the betterment of all, a world that's both radically left, and radically right. But this requires all sides to have their own private space and individuality, and a common good to work toward. In this case it is clear that a select few homosexuals (actually I'm not even sure if it's homosexuals who are fighting for them to be in the scouts, and if not whether they actually care) are the aggressors, there are far better ways to rectify this problem than to try to destroy the ideals of a religious organization.
~Homosexuals should be accepted for who they are, but a religious organization should change or be exterminated. This is not the way.~
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JollyJoker
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posted February 09, 2013 01:08 PM |
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posted February 09, 2013 01:24 PM |
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And this, is just offensive.
Umm no. What is offensive is to hear the religious guys asking for your private life details before judging you.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted February 09, 2013 01:30 PM |
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I'd never wish unto any child the shame of being an oath-breaker.
Not sure why you find it so hard to consider the solution of just establishing a non-religious scout programme. "Oh but the religious one discriminates, and we can't have that" No content till everyone agrees with you and forced to accept you at the cost of their own freedom.
The funny thing is, it's not the homosexuals who are outraged, it's random heterosexuals who seem to have something to prove.
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posted February 09, 2013 01:39 PM |
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If you're a man who has lived with a woman and now chooses to sleep with a man, then you're not homosexual, you're bisexual.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted February 09, 2013 01:40 PM |
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Depends on whether the man is still attracted to women.
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posted February 09, 2013 01:44 PM |
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No content till everyone agrees with you and forced to accept you at the cost of their own freedom.
Wait, how does regulating agaisnt discrimination so that all people - no matter gender, sexuality or skin colour - can be involved in society, "cost their own freedom"?
The person I know IRL who fights the most against discrimination and anti-liberty norms is a very obvious homosexual man.
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