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posted February 12, 2013 07:15 PM |
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Statement: You do not exist.
Proof: Not necessary for non-existence.
Conclusion: Statement is true.
I can simply prove my existence with my reply though.
Can you prove ghosts don't exist, does it mean we assume there are ghosts wondering around? Do you assume a man named Habalak Gubalak walking right outside your door, do you assume Zeus, do you assume a Zebra down the street for no reason. It's endless what we can't prove, that's why there is a principle of falsifiability in science.
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posted February 12, 2013 08:08 PM |
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I'm no moderator, but if I was one, I think that it is very difficult to assess what is off-topic here and what is not.
Let's not forget, that the problem here is twofold:
1) The general idea that gays are seemingly undermining one of the assumed purpose of gender separation.
2) The general idea that a Christian must not be gay, because being gay is a sin.
We may debate 1), and I think OP argues from the 1)-corner; I think there was a problem with the idea of the possibility that a youth might be confronted with a willingness or invitation of a gay comerade scout to have some kind of gay sexual contact.
*I* think, that this possibility is always there, for example, if doing homework with a friend; EVERYONE may be gay, and even if NO ONE is gay, especially boys may develop a tendency to go and check this new and exciting stuff together.
The second point is somewhat more complicated, since it rather amounts to the question whether a boy scout should quit once he realizes he is gay, but I don't think there is any reason for that. Whether he's gay or not is no one's business except his and Jesus's, and even from a religious point of view gays are to be conceded the benefit of the doubt as long homosexuality may be a biological condition, just as INTERSEX is (and what would religion do with THEM, I wonder).
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posted February 12, 2013 08:42 PM |
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*I* think, that this possibility is always there, for example, if doing homework with a friend; EVERYONE may be gay, and even if NO ONE is gay, especially boys may develop a tendency to go and check this new and exciting stuff together.
The difference is that when doing homework, boys are under a parent's supervision (and if the parent isn't there, at least he or she has the responsibility to watch over the boys and takes the blame if something happens). When Boy Scouts are doing something and they have a homosexual incident, whoever was leading them would be blamed.
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posted February 12, 2013 08:56 PM |
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Then substitute it with camping trips with school, or whatever you want. Heck you could even have a school teacher who's part time scout leader, if you want the same person.
Which reminded me, I think someone earlier wrote about that if women shouldn't be allowed to body search.. or was it take bath with.. men, and vice versa, then gays shouldn't be allowed to do it with their own gender (and ultimately not at all, if you want to follow that line of thought). But we aren't nude in front of the opposite gender because we might want to "do it", but because of social norms. In my opinion we're brought up to feel shameful about being nude around people of opposite gender, and for eastern Europe it'd also apply for your own gender, iIRC.
One thing which at least supports it doesn't have anything to do with sex is the lack of sex at nude beaches, where if a guy gets an erection he's expected to go his tent (or whatever), until it disappears, not to mention there are typically parents with their children these places.
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How is it any different when the kids go on trips with their school for instance? They share dorms then? Will schools be able to ask and then ban possible homosexual kids from going?
LoL, it's circling around.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 12, 2013 09:02 PM |
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*I* think, that this possibility is always there, for example, if doing homework with a friend; EVERYONE may be gay, and even if NO ONE is gay, especially boys may develop a tendency to go and check this new and exciting stuff together.
The difference is that when doing homework, boys are under a parent's supervision (and if the parent isn't there, at least he or she has the responsibility to watch over the boys and takes the blame if something happens). When Boy Scouts are doing something and they have a homosexual incident, whoever was leading them would be blamed.
Mv, what kind of an argument is that? There is NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL, because if minors are SUPPOSEDLY under ANYBODY's supervision and "something happens" there will always be someone trying to hand the blame to the supposed supervisor.
And what IS supposed to happen anyway? That they squeeze each other's penis too hard? I mean, EVERYTHING can happen all the time, what is supposed to happen just because someone might be gay?
I mean, let's take a another example. It's forbidden to smoke for 13-year olds. Now let's say there is a scout who's tried out cigs and smokes once in a while - is there any guarantee that guy might not bring sweet Joey to smoke one as well? Depends, right? If Joey is a smart one, he'll decline; if he's a curious young boy who likes to try things he may not.
Can you keep that from happening by saying that smokers are not welcome with the scouts?
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posted February 12, 2013 09:14 PM |
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And what IS supposed to happen anyway?
Well, according to the thread title, they risk getting popped in pooper.
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posted February 12, 2013 09:31 PM |
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It seems they risk that as well when becoming altar boy - or just being the son of their father.
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posted February 12, 2013 09:41 PM |
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But it's common knowledge that while heterosexual people have standards in form of expectations and emotions linked to the act of sex, homosexual guys will insert their penis into anything which is not a woman! After all that's how the Titanic sunk. True story..
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posted February 12, 2013 10:13 PM |
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Probably the reason why god outlawed it so rigorously and draconically.
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posted February 15, 2013 08:27 PM |
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I thinks it's a bunch of petrified horse **** that the scouts are being bullied into compromising the core of there organization because now gay people are offended they can't become a scout. Again private organization, not funded by the government, and can do as they please.
On that same note I think airlines should not have to hire over weight attendants, all black schools should not have to let in whites (and they don't, Jesse Jackson makes sure of that), and a church should not have to allow atheists to attend their church.
WTH is wrong with people who just feel that everyone should have the same opportunities as everyone else. Blind people can't fly planes, deaf people are not put on enemy lines to listen for the enemy, obese people don't fend well selling g-strings, and stupid people don't partake in honor classes.
Say what you will but there is a time and place for all people and trying to form this huge melting pot is met with resistance for a reason because in most cases it should met with resistance. We might all be human but it does not mean everyone has or should be given the same rights. Know your place and get this "I'm entitled" BS out of your psycho babble vocabulary.
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posted February 15, 2013 08:51 PM |
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Pretty sad post.
If you ban gays - shouldn't you be able to ban people as well who had sex although they are not married?
I mean, if the Scouts ban gays - shouldn't they then ban everyone who had sex as well?
Maybe they should ban all children born out of wedlock as well?
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posted February 15, 2013 09:00 PM |
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How are you? Nice to see you again!
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posted February 15, 2013 11:11 PM |
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Hey VF!!!
Check out this thread. I am sure if you read it, you might get some honest opinions on this dilemma.
You just linked her to the thread that you're posting in right now, and which she started...
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posted February 17, 2013 12:45 PM |
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Pretty sad post.
If you ban gays - shouldn't you be able to ban people as well who had sex although they are not married?
I mean, if the Scouts ban gays - shouldn't they then ban everyone who had sex as well?
Maybe they should ban all children born out of wedlock as well?
Start your own organization and make the membership requirements whatever you want to JJ. The Scouts view homosexuality as immoral and require their members to vow to be morally straight. If you are not straight you are not compatible with the Scout's view of morality and should seek a different organization to join. All private organizations don't have to cater to your idea of morality.
Whether or not a child is born out of wedlock is not under the control of the child. But a private organization should be allowed to determine its membership.
Oh, the boy scouts can certainly kick out or disallow membership for other moral reasons than homosexuality.
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You can get kicked out of the BSA for various reasons. General misconduct, bullying, hazing, physical violence, etc. can all get you removed from the program. Any hazing or harassment of a sexual nature is also a red flag. Violation of BSA policy (lack of religion, homosexuality, failure to take the Scout Oath) will also ensure you'll be leaving. And any serious legal trouble will almost certainly get you kicked out. Hope this helps.
Source: Served as a Junior Assistant Scoutmaster, BSA Policies, Guide to Safe Scouting, Scoutmaster's Handbook
Washington has no right to say that Muslims have to be allowed to become ordained Christian pastors, that Christians must be allowed to become Islamic clerics, that Republicans must be allowed to head up the Democrat Party, the chess clubs must admit non-chess players or any such nonsense. Private = private = moronic bigoted liberal control freaks in Washington have no say so and should not harass organizations that don't agree with their idiotic policies.
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posted February 17, 2013 07:45 PM |
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It would seem that you miss the point.
The BSA is a Title 36 Corp. It should be in acknowledgement of the constitution. However, it teaches, that you cannot be a "good" person (cannot meet the standards of the corp) when you are gay (and also when you have sex without being married, among others).
Which means they are simply giving a bad erxample, since they teach that gay people cannot be "good". That's clearly in contradiction to the US constitution.
So if THEY mean, that it's against the oath to be gay or to stay a scout, then they should be so "honest" to reject being a Title 36 Corp.
Lastly, there were 2,000 reported cases of abuse within the Boy Scouts of America prior to 1994, and at least one abuse incident as recent as 2006. You really think they have reason to sit on that high a horse?
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posted February 18, 2013 02:57 AM |
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Hey VF!!!
Check out this thread. I am sure if you read it, you might get some honest opinions on this dilemma.
You just linked her to the thread that you're posting in right now, and which she started...
LOL!!!!
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posted November 23, 2013 01:49 AM |
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Skinner: "Today, we celebrate the first of many, many, many, many diversity forums. Why is it that women 'appear' to be worse at math than men? What is the source of this 'illusion' or as I call it, the biggest lie ever told."
Lindsey Naegle: "You're a worse version of Hitler!"
Skinner: "Please believe me. I-I understand the problem of women." (he moves from behind the podium revealing he's wearing a purple dress and purple heels) "See." (the audience gasps)
Nelson: "Haw, haw!" (sing-songy) "The principal's a tranny."
Skinner: "Am I wearing women's clothes? I didn't notice. When I look in my closet, I don't see male clothes or female clothes. They're all the same."
Edna Krabappel: "Are you saying that men and women are identical?"
Skinner: "Oh, no, of course not! Women are unique in every way."
Lindsey Naegle: "Now he's saying men and women aren't equal!"
Skinner: "No, no, no! It's the differences of which there are none that makes the sameness exceptional. Just tell me what to say!" (he starts to breathe heavily then pass out)
Chalmers: "Oh dear. Um, attention students. Due to nervous exhaustion and diarrhea of the mouth... "(the students start laughing) "Yes, yes, yes. I said diarrhea."
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posted November 23, 2013 02:54 AM |
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Wow, that sort of dialogue is filled with fallacies and (probably intended) misconceptions. It reminds me of how many people there is one type of feminism when like pretty much every single ideology there are lot of different schools.
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posted November 23, 2013 03:19 AM |
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Xerox, those are direct quotes from the animated sitcom The Simpsons. Not meant to be taken seriously.
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