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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 28, 2012 07:47 PM |
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The relationship between Man, and God
I have pondered and brooded over our place in this world. Men are given a choice, though like most things the choice is rigged, one is right, the other is wrong, in manner of sense.
Humans are by their very nature gods, shards of the one, men can either embrace their heritage and remain as gods, or become humans and attain bliss.
No human can truly be happy alone, not really, the implications of which struck me with an interesting epiphany, if man cannot be happy alone, then he can only attain godhood unless he forsakes happiness. Why? God's freedom is unmatched, if you have another god by your side or around you, your freedom is immediately contested, and thus conflict comes. Id est you can't live without them, but you can't live the life you want with them, hence why the first option can never bring peace/happiness et cetera, because it is a simple paradox.
Second option requires a compromise, though in manner of sense you will never be 'free' to do as you please, you have to consider the other gods and their freedoms, and your place in it all, but it does require you to forsake your 'godliness' to a degree, but 'happiness' and bliss will greatly impact your ability to achieve, which is common sense, no? (while never being happy will bring sorrow, which tends to have a negative impact)
Back to my second and third point, love. A human/god can never be happy alone, why? We are imperfect shards, each spliced in two as is the order of this world, everything has a pair, ergo a man cannot really attain 'godhood' without his/her pair, but in order to be in harmony with your pair, you must compromise so (in a sense) and forsake (to a degree) your godlike nature. Which is what I didn't understand for the longest time, forsake my godlike nature, in order to become perfect?
In the end, it's a choice, as it has always been, some wonder why god in all his wisdom doesn't make this choice for us, because, he can't, we are broken shards and mirror images of him, lesser, but the same godlike nature and soul, and he understands that no godlike man can be forced to serve, for that man will never give his best, and what use is remorse and sorrow, when love and compassion yield so much more? Want and desire is what it ALWAYS comes down to.
You must make a choice, a choice, that's wholly yours to make. And regardless of what I said before, the only thing that is right, is what you perceive 'right' to be, wrong or not, it is your life/lives and decision. 
The devil is not equal to god, he is the prime denizen of the world of godlike humans, (he embraced his godlike nature and forsook happiness, sorrow grips his heart) a world where man may bask in his nature and inflict it upon the rest. It all comes down to choice, the life you have led is just a reflection of choices to give you an idea, in the end the choice is still yours, where do you belong?
While paradise is the prime world of harmony and peace, though it is still mortal like the rest.
And heaven is the source of it all, I don't know what lies within her gates, but it is not somewhere a man can reach by words or decision alone, per-se. He has to sacrifice his godlike nature and willingly surrender to god's purpose, which sounds all simple and !!! The decision has to come from the heart, it has to be your choice because you're ready and that's where you truly think you belong and of course willing to part with part of yourself, for the greater good.
To most of you this is probably some inane nonsense, but thanks for reading, it's just a collection of personal thoughts and pondering over the last decade, you are more than free to comment as you please. (though please be civil  )
If you're interested in my choice?
I am still here, undecided. My personal disunity shackles me I guess, which is what I guess earth is, a place for the undecided. I've often seen people consider earth as halfway between paradise and hell.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted August 28, 2012 07:59 PM |
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No human can truly be happy alone
Since one other member already told me to work on my english,I cant really give that much of an answer,so here is my humble try.
Its a way of apology,if my answer seem narrow.
"You spend time with your family?
Sure I do!
Good!Cause a man,who doesnt spend time with his family,can never be a real man!"-The Godfather(the movie)
I feel obliged to add that actually in the book the phraze was:
"A man,who is not a father to his children,can never be a real man".
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"I heard the latest HD version disables playing Heroes. Please reconsider."-Salamandre
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Tsar-Ivor
Promising
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Scourge of God
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posted August 28, 2012 08:00 PM |
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I'm going to probably edit a considerable amount to convey the point more clearly, so keep that in mind in your comments please. Also that this is my personal Theist beliefs laid down on paper, so please respect that. I want to be a better person so I appreciate constructive feedback.
Also to add to the 'masterpost': It is my sincere belief that you cannot enter heaven alone, which would explain alot. (to me anyway anyway)
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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Minion
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posted August 28, 2012 08:18 PM |
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Yeah explain the "choise" in more detail if possible, I am not understaning what is the choise actually. I first thought it was a Buddhist approach, but reading further it didn't seem so.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 28, 2012 08:23 PM |
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It's always been each individual's decision what he does in life, and where he goes from there, since we're in the mortal plane our bodies perish, but we move on, whether this was based on an informed choice or a simple last thought depends on the individual, but in the end it's your decision. How you decide? I guess it could be last thoughts, hell maybe you compile everything you've learned in this life and make a new decision based on all your previous lives, it remains to be seen, all I know for a fact is that you are in control.
At the same time you can choose to surrender to god's wisdom and let him decide, though technically speaking it was 'your' decision hence the consequences are yours to deal with.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted August 28, 2012 08:35 PM |
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I think this is ontopic.
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"I heard the latest HD version disables playing Heroes. Please reconsider."-Salamandre
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markkur
Honorable
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Once upon a time
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posted August 29, 2012 12:19 AM |
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It all comes down to choice, the life you have led is just a reflection of choices to give you an idea, in the end the choice is still yours, where do you belong?
Wow dude...nice post. New images(for me)describing an ancient battle.
I'll try to post more later but will say that you're spot on about choices and <imo> that is chiefly because "we belong to each other".
We have-been, we are and we will always be interconnected; too bad that is usally most visable in a catastrophe.
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meroe
Supreme Hero
Basically Smurfette
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posted September 02, 2012 04:39 PM |
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Very interesting Tsar, but what do you mean by man being a God? I guess I have grown up with a very different view - that men (and when I say men I mean us humans) are not God's. There is only one God.
Interesting to see where this conversation goes.
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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Thunder_Titus
Disgraceful
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Inventor
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posted September 02, 2012 06:21 PM |
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So you are Christian are you?
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted September 02, 2012 06:31 PM |
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Thunder_Titus, please refrain from posting "me-too!" posts in forums outside the VW, and even there they should be used sparingly. If you haven't read the code-of-conduct or guide to posting in the OSM, I kindly ask you to do so. Thanks.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted September 02, 2012 08:35 PM |
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"Average posts per day since registration: 45.7" 
Wasn't there a 20 posts/day limit? He's gonna beat Asheera
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Tsar-Ivor
Promising
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Scourge of God
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posted September 02, 2012 08:38 PM |
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Very interesting Tsar, but what do you mean by man being a God? I guess I have grown up with a very different view - that men (and when I say men I mean us humans) are not God's. There is only one God.
Interesting to see where this conversation goes.
In nature only, we share the fundamentals with the almighty, in a way, understanding yourself would mean understanding god. Unfortunately, since our nature is that of god, more than one in one location will breed hostility, that is, unless one or both humans employ self restraint/discipline, by doing so man represses his godlike nature and becomes truly 'human'. (to a degree)
Edit: When I say hostility: Since 100% free being cannot exist beside another equally free individual, without restrictions on behavior, conflict will arise.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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Minion
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posted September 02, 2012 08:59 PM |
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Just to be clear... are you talking about 2 human beings that are 100% free, or a human being and god (both being free)?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted September 02, 2012 09:04 PM |
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Both actually. I was speaking of the correlation between god and man, and man and man. Though freedom is in a way an illusion, since in order to make it true you'd have to subdue everyone else's freedom, thereby making them your subordinates, pharaohs are a perfect example.
This is because:
God is perfectly free since he is alone and unparalleled, humans share his nature, though since humans are not alone (as in more than one human) this natures is in a way a drawback, that is if you seek to live a mutually beneficial life.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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del_diablo
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Manifest
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posted September 03, 2012 06:37 AM |
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Sounds a lot like Agape, Eros and Augustine of Hippo. Does not mean I agree, but it sounds similar.
Also reminds me a tiny bit of taoism.
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