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Muslims Causing Trouble?
I KNOW this is a very very touchy subject, but i think its worth discussion. (A new discussion)..
If you are a muslim, don't read, just ignore me, or LEARN from this!
Its mainly about Denmarks and my own vision on muslim immigrants.
It will not include te mohammed crisis because i think you all know it. But you can discuss that too here.
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A Muslim group in Denmark announced for some time ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants. The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.
For years, Danes lauded multiculturalism and insisted they had no problem with the Muslim customs - until one day they found that they did.
Some major issues:
•Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.
•Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.
•Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.
•Importing unacceptable customs: Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem. Another is threats to kill Muslims who convert out of Islam. One Kurdish convert to Christianity, who went public to explain why she had changed religion, felt the need to hide her face and conceal her identity, fearing for her life.
•Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them."
•Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.
Other Europeans (such as the late Pim Fortuyn in Holland) have also grown alarmed about these issues, but Danes were the first to make them the basis for a change in government.
In a momentous election last November, a center-right coalition came to power that - for the first time since 1929 - excluded the socialists. The right broke its 72-year losing streak and won a solid parliamentary majority by promising to handle immigration issues, the electorate's first concern, differently from the socialists.
The next nine months did witness some fine-tuning of procedures: Immigrants now must live seven years in Denmark (rather than three) to become permanent residents. Most non-refugees no longer can collect welfare checks immediately on entering the country. No one can bring into the country an intended spouse under the age of 24. And the state prosecutor is considering a ban on Hizb-ut-Tahrir for its death threats against Jews.
These minor adjustments prompted howls internationally - with European and U.N. reports condemning Denmark for racism and "Islamophobia," the Washington Post reporting that Muslim immigrants "face habitual discrimination," and a London Guardian headline announcing that "Copenhagen Flirts with Fascism."
In reality, however, the new government barely addressed the existing problems. Nor did it prevent new ones, such as the death threats against Jews or a recent Islamic edict calling on Muslims to drive Danes out of the Norrebro quarter of Copenhagen.
The authorities remain indulgent. The military mulls permitting Muslim soldiers in Denmark's volunteer International Brigade to opt out of actions they don't agree with - a privilege granted to members of no other faith. Mohammed Omar Bakri, the self-proclaimed London-based "eyes, ears and mouth" of Osama bin Laden, won permission to set up a branch of his organization, Al-Muhajiroun.
Contrary to media reports, the real news from Denmark is not flirting with fascism but getting mired in inertia. A government elected specifically to deal with a set of problems has made minimal headway. Its reluctance has potentially profound implications for the West as a whole.
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And, today, i got another blog about this subject. So i will translate it with google, and hope its readable:
The Danish soldiers' efforts were hailed for the afternoon reception on the occasion of the National Flag Day. But over on the other side of Holmen's Canal to Christiansborg Palace Square, was much dissatisfaction with the Danish international effort.
'The hell with the Danish soldiers! Denmark has lost the war 'was in large type, in black and white, on a banner along Holmen.
A group of Islamists shouting slogans and condemned the Danish war participation in international operations. The group calls itself the War on Islam and consists primarily of Salafists and other fundamentalist Islamists.
- Danish soldiers are child killers! Danish sodater are terrorists!, Sounded the powerful slogans towards Slotsholmen.
The many exclamation was minded to a boil with the attending audience who gave back to the Islamist demonstrators and shouted that they should 'go home!'.
I will just repeat the last sentence: "Danish soldiers are child killers! Danish sodater are terrorists!" -? Hell no! A muslims most common job is terror!! And they do kill waaaayyy more children than any dane...
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What is your opinion on immigrants in your country? Muslims?
Or is my opinion too extreme?
The more i hear, brings me closer to being anti-muslim.
France, Netherlands and Denmark are so far the only countries hwo fights back!!
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Ahh, muslims, muslims... The blame mule for all the problems of the west,any right wing extremist and the media.
It is a pity that you blame muslims, a whole religious group, when in fact you have a problem with Anti Social behavior.
Dont worry though, religious indoctrination is the issue here but for the sake of being correct and neutral, it would seem to be unfair to "Frame" all Muslims as problematic in Dennmark, that is at least what I got from how you "Worded" things.
Let me say that they are just expressing their nature. It is up to the west to provide "Freespeech", provide security and imprision these religious nutcases.
Islam, as any other religion, is the religion of anything but peace and tolerance but that is beside the point.
Europe does not really have an immigration problem though, more like a juicidal problem of being to soft to criminals, accepting lowly criminals from abroad but refusing academic immigrants. Typical.
As for them screaming "Danish kill babies", lets just call it free speech.
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•Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.
No offense, but even I would not want to marry a Dane, a German or anyone else from europe because of the arrogance and the way western people look down upon in this case me. Hell no. I have to lie in order not to get shunned because I am not from,lets say, Dennmark.
Arrogance? Not with me.
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A Muslim group in Denmark announced for some time ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants.
Hey, a violent crackdown on these Salafist islamofascists would be enough. Remove their citizenship and send them from where they came.
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The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.
I understand that. Some people simply disrespect the laws of the host country. What a shame. Why not deal with people who break the laws?
Obviously, your goverment is too soft.
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•Living on the dole: Third-world immigrants - most of them Muslims from countries such as Turkey, Somalia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq - constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.
Hey, being somebody from 3rd world means you get to work on snowty jobs.
On the other hand, how did so many people from these countries enter Dennmark? Dumb laws my friend. Dont blame the parasites if you allow free entry to them.
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•Engaging in crime: Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.
Again, dumb laws. What do you expect from people that "Lived" in third world countries? Again, key words "Disrespecting the Laws".Deal with criminals.
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•Fomenting anti-Semitism: Muslim violence threatens Denmark's approximately 6,000 Jews, who increasingly depend on police protection. Jewish parents were told by one school principal that she could not guarantee their children's safety and were advised to attend another institution. Anti-Israel marches have turned into anti-Jewish riots. One organization, Hizb-ut-Tahrir, openly calls on Muslims to "kill all Jews . . . wherever you find them."
Hey, thats life. When a community hates you, you have to get away. Live together? Well, unless peace is enforced. Its not gonna happen.
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•Seeking Islamic law: Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.
With current estimates,sure. Aint gonna happen though. Eitherway there will be a war in the near future or the immigrants stop spewing children(As is the most case with developed contries) or you kick them out.
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What is your opinion on immigrants in your country? Muslims?
Hmm,immigrants run my country.
Though luckily,eventhough most people in my country are "muslim", they are not that good at following islam,typical for post communist countries.
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Or is my opinion too extreme?
No of course not. It all depends on what audience you have.
Morals are relative so screaming "Burn the Jews" in a crowd of Muslims or Nazis might give a cheer, screaming "Death to Islam" or "snow you Nazis" will get you killed in the Muslim or Skinhead crowd.
By my standards,no. Your speech is correct. There is nothing wrong on being harsh and critical to indoctrinated puppets. It just gets wrong when you generalize and rationalize on behalf a population.
An immigrant with Danish citizenship is not an immigrant, he/she is Danish.
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The more i hear, brings me closer to being anti-muslim.
France, Netherlands and Denmark are so far the only countries who fights back!!
Ironic though, you are fighting nothing really. Instead of blaming your laws and mistakes that caused this and fixing them, you just blame and complain about the symptoms.
Typical western behavior. I wish every westerner would have the "Feeling" of being a 2nd class individual in a foreign country or even your own.
Its not the end of the world EU, but I can see it from here.
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Islam is a deadly cancer, wherever is spreading. Pakistan, a nuclear power is going berserk too.
Wow! Some mods should remove this because in HC there is no freespeech.
Also, I feel offended.
Other than that,Salamandre Islam is not a cancer, it is a religion.
I know this from second hand because two relatives of mine have died from cancer.
Though your hate is a cancerous thing indeed.
Pakistan is a backwater of a country with nuclear weapons, but that is still not enough to send your soldiers there to die.
I am sure we can delay our thermonuclear fest at a later time.
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posted September 06, 2012 01:38 AM |
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Islam, as any other religion, is the religion of anything but peace and tolerance but that is beside the point.
Your rant has no basis in fact if you are referring to theistic religions. The biggest mass murderers in the recorded history of mankind have been avowed atheists. Theistic religions tend to be much more peaceful.
Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us. Studies show theists in general are more charitable/compassionate towards their fellow man, suffer from mental problems less often and commit suicide less often. Theism is healthy for individuals and for society. Of course some religions are "healthier" than others, as some possess more truth than others. Atheism as being a religion that rejects the most fundamental truths is one of the least healthy religions, though most atheists erroneously think they are not religious.
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Islam is a deadly cancer, wherever is spreading. Pakistan, a nuclear power is going berserk too.
While a fairly large percentage of mosques in the US preach jihad (around 10% according to the FBI)and undoubtedly quite a bit more in Islamic nations where they have less fear about preaching such things, I don't think most Muslims are radicals. Most don't have a desire to strap on a bomb and go blow up some innocent people.
As far as "not fitting in", some people want to live differently than others. There is no problem with them having a different culture if they are not behaving in a criminal manner.
There are certainly some alarming trends regarding racism and religious freedom in Europe.
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posted September 06, 2012 02:45 AM |
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The problem is not majority of muslims being terrorist, which nobody claims, but islamic governments being straight and deciding about the next step. So far, I fail to find a single islamic country without internal wars -always due to religion or racial differences-, backward culture, total absence of freedom and total lack of religious freedom also.
It's funny that Elodin -which was btw the first to cry against a mosque on WTC ground- points the trends of racism and lack of religion freedom in EUROPE, while those behaviors are expressed at their most possible extremism in islamic countries. As christian, none of your guns will save you from enraged mob.
Also positive discrimination is the new illness in Europe, actually as muslim you have far way more rights than a local, which is pissing a lot of people and change the political perspectives and choices with each year passing.
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Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us.
Really? Then why you jump so happily and satisfied in every thread about a criminal being killed?
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Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.Quote:
Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies
Did you do them good by killing them? Quote:
Atheism as being a religion
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posted September 06, 2012 04:48 AM |
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Why is a thread about Islam suddenly about Christianity before even ten posts have appeared? This thread toes a thin line already. I foresee myself closing it in the near future...
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posted September 06, 2012 04:58 AM |
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Coming from the only person on this entire forum that wants the US to start a war with Iran.
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posted September 06, 2012 05:06 AM |
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Because wherever we discuss about one religion, there is an evident parallel with other religions as well. Shall we forget that Christianity also had its part of obscurantism, as Islam has today? Maybe from some comparisons it could be decrypted why one evolved while the other not.
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posted September 06, 2012 05:10 AM |
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anything that will get them money.  Terrorists are always an extremist minority, a fringe organization that sullies the name of a legitimate one.
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And they do kill waaaayyy more children than any dane...
I was not aware that there was a rash of child murders going on in Danemark.  But more seriously, if you go to Africa this is in fact true. Why? Because the warlords or other violent people in power there are often muslims and many of the soldiers they fight/ fight with are children (since child soldiers are, if fact, common throughout most of eastern Africa). Does this mean that the muslims in Europe are child murderers? Hell no, sir! Their religion frowns upon the killing of guests, animals and even the infidels. Their laws for courtesy are very, very strict, and they are to be subservient to their host (in this case, the country they move into).
What gets publicized is the extremist fringe organization that shouts very loudly while the silent majority just goes about doing their thing... which is why I do not support xenophobia anywhere. There is just no point to it, and it is wrong anyway.
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•Self-imposed isolation: Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.
As has been said before, neither would I. They are a different culture from myself, and they have weird ideas, you know? Also, inter-racial marriages are uncommon anyway, when you have a people who are held apart and spat upon the chance that they would want anything to do with you is lowered, and marriage proposals also go away...
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If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.
1. Trends do not continue for 40 years. They either go down over time or they go up. Trends with immigration tend to go down, so you have nothing to fear.
2. I see no problem with this. What should I care if a religion based on love, tolerance, peace and courtesy holds less than the majority of a population in its ranks? The reason the religion is abused is that the vast majority of people who practice it can't read what their holy book says. In a country that will teach them how to do so... I would say that you have nothing to fear.
3. This statement by itself creates an "Us or them" mentality that prevents integration on both sides. So if you see that the Muslim population holds themselves apart, you should realize that it is partially your fault. It's hard to want to be part of a culture that despises and rejects you. 
As to the rest of your "Points," I'm just going to save time, get back to work on my faction and throw them under the rug with the label of "Bigotry" and we'll call it a day, aye?
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posted September 06, 2012 08:51 AM |
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...Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us...
I love this quote.
- I just had to read back the part about killing burglars with any weapons when they come into the house.
- Or the post about the importance of death penalty.
- Or about killing the wikileaks founder...
Sometimes I get the feeling there are people who claim to be christians but contradict themselves every now and then.
But maybe we agnostics just don't get it because it is too complicated to understand.
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posted September 06, 2012 11:32 AM |
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...Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us...
I love this quote.
- I just had to read back the part about killing burglars with any weapons when they come into the house.
- Or the post about the importance of death penalty.
- Or about killing the wikileaks founder...
Sometimes I get the feeling there are people who claim to be christians but contradict themselves every now and then.
But maybe we agnostics just don't get it because it is too complicated to understand.
And some people seem to have a die hard deep rooted hatred for all theistic religion in my opinion, especially for Christianity. However, the Bible allows for self defense and even specifically states that anyone who kills a home invader while the invader is in his home is not guilty of murder.
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Exodus 22:2 New International Version (NIV)
2 “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;
The Bible also says the state is to use the power of the sword to be a "terror" to evildoers. It is to restrain evil, not wink at it.
There is a difference between personal vengeance, which the Bible does not allow, and punishment of crime by the state, which the Bible does allow and says is the state's responsibility.
Some people attack religion, and specifically Christianity, in pretty much every thread. That is a shame. We should be able to tolerate viewpoints that differ from our own. While Europe certainly preaches tolerance there is a steady stream of intolerant xenophobic legislation coming from it. Quite alarming. I'll not be at all surprised if another Hitler type of leader emerges in Europe.
The average Muslim, like the average atheist, is not a threat and wants to live in peace with those around him.
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posted September 06, 2012 11:49 AM |
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The average Muslim, like the average atheist, is not a threat and wants to live in peace with those around him.
But beware of the average christian!
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posted September 06, 2012 12:02 PM |
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This topic is doomed from the moment Elodin started his usual "the atheists are proven mass murderers" jabber (seriously, change the record). Not that the opening post is incredibly thoughtful but the general orientation of the topic could result is some flame war discussion if, for once, one particular member's understanding of Christianity is kept out of the talk. And that doesn't involve only him.
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posted September 06, 2012 12:06 PM |
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Thread is about Muslims, not Christians and/or perception of Christianity. Please stay on topic, else Cor will nuke the thread.
And while I rarely agree with Elodin, this is imho very true:
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There are certainly some alarming trends regarding racism and religious freedom in Europe.
In my opinion, history is on its way to repeat itself. This time, with immigrants as scapegoats rather than Jews.
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posted September 06, 2012 12:15 PM |
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Your rant has no basis in fact if you are referring to theistic religions.
Ah,Elodin. Why do you jump in every thread trying to defend religion?
This thread is about "criminals" who believe or associate themselves with Islam and not about how "awesome" christianity is.
Also, Islam is a religion.
Unlike you elodin, I have the experience of 4 different denominations of religions: Catholocism,Orthodox christians,sunni muslim and Mormonism lately. Non of them tolerate each other.
Refusing to tolerate, assume one has the "god" given rights, and segregate societies is all religion did in the Balkans.
See Bosnia for example,a typical "We are different thus you must die" war. Croats and Serbs have one difference,Religion. Religion was not the cause of the wars but it was a catalyst.
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The biggest mass murderers in the recorded history of mankind have been avowed atheists. Theistic religions tend to be much more peaceful.
Here we go again...
The biggest death count goes by people of faith. You should refresh your memory Elo. Napoleon,100 year war,Hitler etc Wars by christians...
Lets add the wars caused by Islam...
Lots of faithful mass murderers...
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Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us.
And then the same religion teaches that one has the right to keep slaves, obey unquestionably governments, telling people who did nothing wrong that they will go to Hell...
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posted September 06, 2012 12:42 PM |
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It is sad that every time voices raise against the damage caused by north-african muslim immigration in Europe, racism and xenophobia is opposed as definitive argument. This is how Breivik individuals are created.
And who are those who moralize most? Those from countries with zero or nearby immigration. What's the point in speculating then?
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posted September 06, 2012 12:57 PM |
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It is sad that every time voices raise against the damage caused by north-african muslim immigration in Europe, racism and xenophobia is opposed as definitive argument. This is how Breivik individuals are created.
Breivik is just a secret affair imo. In effect, his actions had political motivations.
Any guy with a sense of hatered would target muslims, their children etc, in a muslim neighborhood . And not some group of political children. Ah well, I dont really care.
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And who are those who moralize most? Those from countries with zero or nearby immigration. What's the point in speculating then?
Who are they? Look at Poland. No immigrant, lots of hate.
I could not care less if there is some north african muslim living in your neighbourhood making excessive noice or braking cars and thus getting kicked off the country.
I am just speaking what I think is rational.
There are no countries that "Moralize" with your nations internal issues and I dont believe foreigners care about your complaints either.
Nobody is moralizing with immigrants, except they themselves.
Also, when you mention they are positively discriminated, you mean their religion is positively discriminated because the only concessions the west has made are on behalf on their religion.
Religion==a reason to segregate. You must understand, those north african immigrants with your citizenship are French.
Call them french, not immigrants.
With this change of definitions, you blame yourself and not an entire group of random people.
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posted September 06, 2012 02:35 PM |
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Atheism = Complete lack of religion
Christianity = Religion of hypocrisy
Islam = Religion of intolerance
Judaism = Religion of revenge
Hiduism = Religion of way too many gods
Buddhism = Religion of awesome and peaceful warrior monks
I think it is quite clear which religion deserves the most respect and its own thread.
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posted September 06, 2012 03:44 PM |
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No offense, but even I would not want to marry a Dane, a German or anyone else from europe because of the arrogance and the way western people look down upon in this case me. Hell no. I have to lie in order not to get shunned because I am not from,lets say, Dennmark.
Arrogance? Not with me.
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Hey, a violent crackdown on these Salafist islamofascists would be enough. Remove their citizenship and send them from where they came.
Well, thats what i hope they do, but our politicians in lead is blind to the problems. And so are every other country-leaders.
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I understand that. Some people simply disrespect the laws of the host country. What a shame. Why not deal with people who break the laws?
Obviously, your goverment is too soft.
Well, thats where you are wrong. EU claims that Denmark's immigration politics is agaisnt human rights. So how soft are we compared to others?
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Hey, being somebody from 3rd world means you get to work on snowty jobs.
On the other hand, how did so many people from these countries enter Dennmark? Dumb laws my friend. Dont blame the parasites if you allow free entry to them.
So basicly the key problem is EU or DK's Politicians? I don't know.
If the immigrants adapt to the countrys rules, i see no problems. But half of the dont.
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Hmm,immigrants run my country.
Though luckily,eventhough most people in my country are "muslim", they are not that good at following islam,typical for post communist countries.
You are lucky then. Wich country are you from?
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Islam is a deadly cancer, wherever is spreading. Pakistan, a nuclear power is going berserk too.
Wow! Some mods should remove this because in HC there is no freespeech.
Also, I feel offended.
I partly agree with salamandre. And freespeech should be allowed everywhere.
Its a direct comment, but partly true..
The main issue is religion. But then again, if there where no religion, people would fight in the name of something else..
Hmm, so, People are the issue?
Actually, what is the issue? Religion, people, EU, or what else?
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Your rant has no basis in fact if you are referring to theistic religions. The biggest mass murderers in the recorded history of mankind have been avowed atheists. Theistic religions tend to be much more peaceful.
Christianity preaches that one should love, pray for, and do good to all people, even enemies and those who mistreat us. Studies show theists in general are more charitable/compassionate towards their fellow man, suffer from mental problems less often and commit suicide less often. Theism is healthy for individuals and for society. Of course some religions are "healthier" than others, as some possess more truth than others. Atheism as being a religion that rejects the most fundamental truths is one of the least healthy religions, though most atheists erroneously think they are not religious.
I cant argue with that. Christians and atheist killed alot yes, but for a damn long time ago. they are not the currently trouble. Today its islam, and it is today we have an opportunity to prevent them from repeating other religions past.
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Why is a thread about Islam suddenly about Christianity before even ten posts have appeared? This thread toes a thin line already. I foresee myself closing it in the near future...
No, dont do that. I for one, really like to hear other peoples thoughts on not only islam, but their idea of whatever source is causing todays troubles. And why we allow it. Keep it going please 
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1. Trends do not continue for 40 years. They either go down over time or they go up. Trends with immigration tend to go down, so you have nothing to fear.
2. I see no problem with this. What should I care if a religion based on love, tolerance, peace and courtesy holds less than the majority of a population in its ranks? The reason the religion is abused is that the vast majority of people who practice it can't read what their holy book says. In a country that will teach them how to do so... I would say that you have nothing to fear.
3. This statement by itself creates an "Us or them" mentality that prevents integration on both sides. So if you see that the Muslim population holds themselves apart, you should realize that it is partially your fault. It's hard to want to be part of a culture that despises and rejects you.
As to the rest of your "Points," I'm just going to save time, get back to work on my faction and throw them under the rug with the label of "Bigotry" and we'll call it a day, aye?
I'm afraid youre wrong, but neither of us is able to prove future.
You really should care. This discussion is world wide, and is the fault of many "bad" things. Right or Wrong, this is an important subject.
You don't have to quote every bit. If you don't care, then dont comment. Unless you agree or disagree.
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