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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 10, 2016 09:37 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:39, 10 Jan 2016.
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Salamandre said:
heh, joke as long as you still can. Btw, from 500 reports, only 200 or so are about sexual harassment. The others are about people being hurt, punched, lynched. I don't need Cologne events to back my belief that Islam is a conquering ideology. Those people are not immigrants, I know what is an immigrant, I am one.
When a chance is given to you by a far more advanced country, with a superior culture, you don't snow, say thanks and adapt. I also had a set of moral values which may look as a religion, I had my habits, in teaching, in talking, in all my social interactions. I saw that some of my ancient behaviors were not so appreciated and I changed them, tried to honor my host, as I needed him, not vice-versa. A change was given to me to fulfill my potential.
These people move from country to country but keep all their close environment as at home: same behaviors, same clothes, same ideas, same language, same crimes. For me this is not immigration, this is conquest, a form of. The simple fact that not even 1% from the new born has a french name is sufficient. It saddens me.
Future will show who is right.
Islam, if you go by its book, is a religion of conquest. That is a fact I will never try to twist, on the contrary, that is a fact, I quote from that book when I oppose a real threat of Islamic authority, right here. Some immigrants who flee from war treated as ISIS members, only because they have no idea how to treat women, is another case.
You are an immigrant yourself, yes, who was cherished because he was talented in a specific skill. Most immigrants are not like that, their journey is their only way out and they are fish out of water. Don't compare your experience to an ordinary immigrant who can not impress with something that the home team genuinely respects, such as classical music.
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Salamandre
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posted January 10, 2016 10:08 PM |
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I don't compare nor saying that I had something to offer. No, I put myself in the immigrant role, a person which is forced to quit all that he loved, his friends, all his childhood, his family, because he realized that his environment does not feed him enough to optimally project himself in the future. He can't develop in that matrix, he needs something better, more adapted, more complex.
So when you are greeted by such matrix, the first thing you can offer is your respect and allegiance, I think is already a good start and shows your real intentions.
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Salamandre
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posted January 12, 2016 11:58 PM |
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Shares, you asked why leftists would control the media. Now we have an answer, from your own country.
Police covers up sexual abuses from immigrants because "they fear democrats will win next election if such things are known"
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Minion
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posted January 13, 2016 09:40 AM |
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So what happens is new information surfaces about sexual harrasment at music festival in 2014. Dagnens Nyheter publishes them.
Nyeter Idag (anti-immigrant website), however claimed that Dagens Nyheter received reports about the assaults very soon after the festival but did not publicise them because they might benefit the far-right party, who campaign to stop immigration. Dagens Nyheter vehemently denied the claim, producing a full rebuttal on their website.
It is POLICE who is at fault, and gravely so I might add. And not "left conspiracy media". Just because some website makes an accusation it doesn't mean it is true.
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Galaad
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 13, 2016 12:43 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:48, 13 Jan 2016.
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Minion said:
And not "left conspiracy media". Just because some website makes an accusation it doesn't mean it is true.
I didn't really follow the discussion here but this sentence is bothering me. French medias (and for living there as well I can confirm) ARE controlled by (and I say so-called) "leftists" and you can't trust them more about what is true or not than another internet website.
I think it is common knowledge anyway mainstream medias in the world are mainly used for propaganda and should NEVER be considered as a valuable source of information.
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fred79
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posted January 13, 2016 01:14 PM |
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Galaad said:
I think it is common knowledge anyway mainstream medias in the world are mainly used for propaganda and should NEVER be considered as a valuable source of information.
you'd think it'd be common knowledge. every single person in my family actually take it at face value. regardless of my incessant rants to the contrary. 
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Minion
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posted January 13, 2016 01:45 PM |
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I believe that major medias are mostly sensationalist and 100% profit driven like a corporation which make them completely unreliable because they can be bought - not because they are controlled by the left political parties. Or how do you define "leftists" in this context?
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Doomforge
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posted January 13, 2016 01:47 PM |
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I have to consider a faster emigration. I really don't like where this is going: I may be soon locked in this mockery of a country forever. If things go any further south, UE will start breaking, and borders will be shut again.
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fred79
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posted January 13, 2016 02:18 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:22, 13 Jan 2016.
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Minion said:
how do you define "leftists" in this context?
i don't define people as leftists/rightists, because it isn't as simple as that. i believe it's idiotic to think that everyone can be classified into "left" or "right"(regardless of anything anyone tries lumping into either category). it's simplistic logic at best.
how i view media, is fad-based, if dealing with propaganda(when it comes to infomation, it is to keep people squabbling amongst themselves, and fearful of being free of their oppressors[what they like us to think of, as our protectors]). they take whatever's popular, and run with it. if it isn't popular, they keep repeating something until they make people think it is.
"left" or "right", is just another way they make people squabble amongst one another. metaphorically speaking; they set the rules of the game: who's on which side, and what defines each side. then they start the game, by broadcasting. the public does the rest, by playing(arguing about the "information", and believing the propaganda).
edit: i don't mean that broadcasting is the source of their material, but only some of it. i think, by and large, that media(s) are controlled; just like the puppet politicians in government. by exactly whom, i don't know. other people make guesses and argue about it. i don't know, and don't presume to know.
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted January 13, 2016 06:34 PM |
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Minion said:
So what happens is new information surfaces about sexual harrasment at music festival in 2014. Dagnens Nyheter publishes them.
Nyeter Idag (anti-immigrant website), however claimed that Dagens Nyheter received reports about the assaults very soon after the festival but did not publicise them because they might benefit the far-right party, who campaign to stop immigration. Dagens Nyheter vehemently denied the claim, producing a full rebuttal on their website.
It is POLICE who is at fault, and gravely so I might add. And not "left conspiracy media". Just because some website makes an accusation it doesn't mean it is true.
Been a while since I posted here. Forgive me though for asking, but how can you lay blame to the police when they asked Dagens Nyheter to write about the atrocities and was rejected? There has been ample proof of this from SMS to E-mails and all with proper dates.
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posted January 13, 2016 07:13 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 19:16, 13 Jan 2016.
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That is not what happened according to the police themselves...
Police in the Swedish capital Stockholm have launched an internal investigation into accusations that the force covered up widespread sexual assaults by mostly migrant youths at a music festival.
In a case echoing recent attacks in Cologne, a group of men reportedly groped girls at the We Are Sthlm event. Police ejected 200 people from the site in August but did not mention assaults in their reports to the press.
Varg Gyllander, head of communications for Stockholm police, admitted the force "should have communicated" details about the alleged sexual assaults.
The omission from the police's account of the event came to light in an internal police memo leaked to Dagens Nyheter
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted January 13, 2016 10:16 PM |
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Minion said:
That is not what happened according to the police themselves...
That is exactly what happened according to several members of the police.
Minion said:
Police in the Swedish capital Stockholm have launched an internal investigation into accusations that the force covered up widespread sexual assaults by mostly migrant youths at a music festival.
It was Dan Eliasson who said an investigation was to be done, it is also questionable that he should lead it when it seems he has been into fishy decisions in the past.
Minion said:
In a case echoing recent attacks in Cologne, a group of men reportedly groped girls at the We Are Sthlm event. Police ejected 200 people from the site in August but did not mention assaults in their reports to the press.
Like I said before, there are ample proof that shows some of them did. Alas it might not be surprising should they have kept out information considering how easy it is to be branded a racist these days.
Minion said:
Varg Gyllander, head of communications for Stockholm police, admitted the force "should have communicated" details about the alleged sexual assaults.
The omission from the police's account of the event came to light in an internal police memo leaked to Dagens Nyheter-BBC
It was first reached to alternative media and then when the ball started to roll DN went out and said something.
It seems you and I must live in very different worlds.
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Minion
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posted January 13, 2016 10:59 PM |
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Dude if you have the proof I will gladly change my mind. Why aren't you sharing it?
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted January 14, 2016 12:01 AM |
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Truth depends greatly on one's point of view. And so, even evidence may not be seen in the same way, or perceived as reliable evidence if one's point of view is in the other direction.
And not trying to sound smart or quote a movie here, spoiler - humans think differently.
And no, not interested in this "Muslims causing trouble" debate much, if not at all, but just wanted to make a small comment. 
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Corribus
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted January 14, 2016 01:20 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Truth depends greatly on one's point of view.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 14, 2016 03:27 AM |
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Corribus said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Truth depends greatly on one's point of view.
What I meant to say was: what a person considers to be true, like things related to religion, politics, and so on, depends on the way the person is thinking. Better now?
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted January 14, 2016 08:57 AM |
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Minion said:
Dude if you have the proof I will gladly change my mind. Why aren't you sharing it?
I propose I send you a PM with all of it then, unless you want me to flood the thread.
Drakon-Deus said:
Truth depends greatly on one's point of view.
Indeed. It has some truth to it but yet again, no. It is difficult to say that a person's religious beliefs should somehow change the truth. I understand your point though, that since humans think differently there might be differences in what we accept as proof. But if one goes that far the axiom itself falls.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 14, 2016 09:04 AM |
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I said I don't wish to argue in this. Have fun then.
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