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Fauch
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posted September 14, 2012 12:38 AM
Edited by Fauch at 00:41, 14 Sep 2012.

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A thing I have learned from this discussion is that unlike us westerners, muslims aren't individuals. They are just this homogenous mass of rage and violence. Yay.


it says it all

you are obviously quite a bit prejudiced, seraphim

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But please, why the heck should one agree with a lunatic?

because he is a lunatic?
or do you really want to know what he is ready to do to you?

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Seraphim
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posted September 14, 2012 12:56 AM

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you are obviously quite a bit prejudiced, seraphim


Not really, I am just following what i believe would be best.
I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.

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because he is a lunatic?
or do you really want to know what he is ready to do to you?



I would arm teachers with shotguns... and call the law enforcement.
Actually, schools nowadays are more like prisons for bullies than for education so shotguns are not that far off.
But pardon my overreaction, it could that I ate some canned fish today...

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posted September 14, 2012 01:08 AM

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I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.


did you mean :
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I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.

?

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posted September 14, 2012 01:14 AM

Knock yourself out, bro.
Nothing echoes respect as loud as a sig like that!
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posted September 14, 2012 01:15 AM
Edited by Seraphim at 01:16, 14 Sep 2012.

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I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.


did you mean :
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I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.

?


Both but since the subject is about "ISLAME" and its a religion.
Oh and, the contributing factor to most of the disputes is the islam.

But I find it quite funny how some individuals, like you, consider other religions to be different.
You should witness the more radical elements of each of them. Just because europeans choose not to follow the bible 100% does not mean that others wont.
I can name you an example, African witch hunters, balkan clergies.
Ethnic hatespeech in catholic churches are common in Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia .



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posted September 14, 2012 01:21 AM

what are you doing ad? it's not a quote from seraphim

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Salamandre
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posted September 14, 2012 01:27 AM

Yes, was a sarcastic comment from Minion. if you split it and quote only half, then it gets terrible. But you are cheating.
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posted September 14, 2012 07:19 AM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 07:21, 14 Sep 2012.

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you are obviously quite a bit prejudiced, seraphim


Not really, I am just following what i believe would be best.

In a freakishly prejudiced way... Basically, you are emulating the worst extremists that you claim to hate, but hating them for being "Freakish, unthinking, dangerous lunatics" instead of yourself for being an infidel. If you were to think about social patterns and conflict at all, you would realize that the first step is to never respond to hate with hate or discrimination. It's like attacking a bear that has rabies with a baseball bat, just a bad idea.

And shipping a section of your workforce off just because you don't like them is also generally a pretty dumb move, as is denying them basic human right, citizenship or the ability to think and believe what they want to think and believe. Only North Korea has though police, and how do people judge North Korea around the world? ^^ Not seen in the most positive light, are they?

[completely off topic] Of course, you are not North Korea. This is not the point I was trying to make. (Though it would be kind of fun to talk to the personification of a country... think about it. Italy would totally make me free food.) It is your view on people's rights to believe that emulate the environment one would find in NK, hazardously hostile to any viewpoint but your own. And it's sort of (really) annoying disheartening to constantly read your lack of respect for the opinions or faiths of both your fellow OSM'rs and basically... everyone...

Atheist to fellow atheist bro? Not cool.[/off topic]

[Er... actually, rain check on that / there for a second...]
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I would arm teachers with shotguns... and call the law enforcement.
Actually, schools nowadays are more like prisons for bullies than for education so shotguns are not that far off.

Must have been some really bad fish bro. School violence is rather allot higher in the US than most of Europe, and no one but the crazies are calling out for "Shotguns in every classroom."

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I mean, we are quite in agreement that tolerance does not work with religious nutcases.

But it quite often works with their children or their grandchildren. As long as they have a healthy environment to live in (Read: Not crime stricken slums where they are forced to live (in some countries *Coughcough*)), the child will often make their own conclusions rather quickly. Because 'dem angsty teenagers got no respect for the traditions of da old folk des days.

Edit: The quote system is dumb. If even one part isn't written properly...
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Doomforge
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posted September 14, 2012 08:23 AM

@Seraphim

Since you admitted your arguments are based on hatred rather then reason, there's little for me to add here.

Carry on.
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Seraphim
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posted September 14, 2012 12:42 PM

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Not really, I am just following what i believe would be best.

In a freakishly prejudiced way... Basically, you are emulating the worst extremists that you claim to hate, but hating them for being "Freakish, unthinking, dangerous lunatics" instead of yourself for being an infidel.


Actually, I am quite aware that my "Idea" is not the best one, but at least its a way of action.
What would you propose?
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And shipping a section of your workforce off just because you don't like them is also generally a pretty dumb move, as is denying them basic human right, citizenship or the ability to think and believe what they want to think and believe.


They can think and believe whatever they want, they should obey laws.
If they dont, they should be sent back.
I doubt that would create a problem for the workforce of a country.
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Only North Korea has though police, and how do people judge North Korea around the world? ^^ Not seen in the most positive light, are they?


Hey, at least north korea has no immigration issues or any other issues connected to Islam
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It is your view on people's rights to believe that emulate the environment one would find in NK, hazardously hostile to any viewpoint but your own. And it's sort of (really) annoying disheartening to constantly read your lack of respect for the opinions or faiths of both your fellow OSM'rs and basically... everyone...


Lack of respect for OSM? No. I am just against wrongs that people claim upon atheism. When it comes to dogma, I am against it. Islam just happens to be the most agressive version of dogma these days.
Also, just because something is HOLY or holds a special place in your Ego, does not mean that I am not allowed to criticize it or disrespect it.
Again, respect is earned, not forced. I can respect a belief, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it does not come forth and claim superiority over science.
But anyway, maybe I went to far before and it seems to be the case based on your reaction.
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Must have been some really bad fish bro. School violence is rather allot higher in the US than most of Europe, and no one but the crazies are calling out for "Shotguns in every classroom."


Hey, at least it would make teenagers to learn or else...
Anyway,you are right. A bit to extreme and its another topic.
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But it quite often works with their children or their grandchildren. As long as they have a healthy environment to live in (Read: Not crime stricken slums where they are forced to live (in some countries *Coughcough*)), the child will often make their own conclusions rather quickly. Because 'dem angsty teenagers got no respect for the traditions of da old folk des days.


Yes, I somewhat agree. The last time I checked, europeans were screaming that muslim kids dont want to "Integrate" but that could be because of the way they have been living.
Why does not every country follow France and Switzerland, ban immigration, minarets and burqas completely.



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posted September 14, 2012 06:29 PM
Edited by Fauch at 18:40, 14 Sep 2012.

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But I find it quite funny how some individuals, like you, consider other religions to be different.


??? I don't understand what you mean

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Not really, I am just following what i believe would be best.

great, but that's probably what they are doing too. hell is paved with good intentions.
it often happens that we want to do our best and it would actually just be better to not do anything at all.

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posted September 15, 2012 03:52 PM

Religion divides people.
Believing in something unites people.

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posted September 15, 2012 07:48 PM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 19:49, 15 Sep 2012.

And believing in the same religion would unite people, your point?

Religions are just one way people define their beliefs, lives and personalities. You also have a family, friends, town, country, world, etc that you fit yourself into. The factor that influences you most is what you decide, will you be driven by your family, the wants and needs of your community, or an unknowable, all powerful being?

The people that you seem to have a problem with are those who are indoctrinated into believing in a warped version of their religion, centered on power. It's another classic example of people twisting a good, peaceful and righteous idea into something that is harmful to everything and everyone around them to satisfy someone's greed. It is not a proper representation of the proper religion, or the people that truly follow it.

If I were to say that Danemark is a racist country based off of your opinions, would you say that it was a fair assumption?

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posted September 15, 2012 07:56 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 20:08, 15 Sep 2012.

Racism is not an illness or a character facet, but an effect preceded by a cause. Constantly bashing on people and saying they are racists, while the cause is still there is in nothing constructive.

Cure the cause and you will cure racism, not vice-versa.

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posted September 15, 2012 09:07 PM
Edited by Fauch at 21:07, 15 Sep 2012.

the parents of that boy totally deserve to be arrested.

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artu
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posted September 15, 2012 10:49 PM

Has anybody watched the movie that's causing all this rage. Can you give me a link to the full movie?

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posted September 15, 2012 11:06 PM
Edited by Corribus at 23:18, 15 Sep 2012.

Doomforge gave you one warning, Seraphim.  Now I'm giving you one more because I'm feeling in a generous mood.  The post I've just deleted was disgusting and didn't merit even allowing you to get around to editing it yourself. The next time you post something like that you're going to be silenced for a stretch as well handed an anti-shiny.

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posted September 16, 2012 02:11 AM

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Religion divides people.
Believing in something unites people.


Militant atheists, like militant Islamists, are quite divisive, yes.  However, most followers of religions have a "live and let live" mentality. You follow your religion, whether it be atheism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or whatever, and I'll follow mine.

Of course the more things people have in common the more united they will be.

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The history of Christianity in the Soviet Union was not limited to repression and secularization. Soviet policy toward religion was based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, which made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religion.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic propaganda, and generally promoted 'scientific atheism' as the truth that society should accept.[4][5]

Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population,[4] in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[2][6]

The Soviet regime was ostensibly committed to the complete annihilation of religious institutions and ideas.[7] Militant atheism was central to the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union[8] and a high priority of all Soviet leaders.[3] Communism required the abolition of religion.[3] Convinced atheists were considered to be more virtuous individuals than those of religious belief.[3]

The state established atheism as the only scientific truth.[9][10][11][12][13][14][unreliable source?] Criticism of atheism or the state's anti-religious policies was forbidden and could lead to forced retirement, arrest and/or imprisonment.[15][16][17]

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The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed.

Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[21][22][23][24] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[22][23][25] During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[1]

In the Soviet Union, in addition to the methodical closing and destruction of churches, the charitable and social work formerly done by ecclesiastical authorities was taken over by the state. As with all private property, Church owned property was confiscated into public use. The few places of worship left to the Church were legally viewed as state property which the government permitted the church to use.

Protestant Christians in the USSR (Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists etc.) in the period after the Second world war were compulsively sent to mental hospitals, endured trials and prisons (often for refusal to enter military service). Some were even compulsively deprived of their parent rights.[26]

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During the Russian Civil War, many clerics were killed. Some died as a result of spontaneous violence endemic in the power vacuum of the war and some were executed by state security services for supporting the White armies. The church claimed that 322 bishops and priests had been killed during the Revolution.[33] Between June 1918 and January 1919, official church figures (which did not include the Volga, Kama and several other regions in Russia) claimed that one metropolitan, eighteen bishops, one hundred and two priests, one hundred and fifty-four deacons, and ninety-four monks/nuns had been killed (laity not recorded).[34] The estimate of 330 clergy and monastics killed by 1921 may have been an underestimate, due to the fact that 579 monasteries/convents had been liquidated during this period and there were widespread mass executions of monks/nuns during these liquidations.[34]

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The tenth CPSU congress met in 1921 and it passed a resolution calling for 'wide-scale organization, leadership, and cooperation in the task of anti-religious agitation and propaganda among the broad masses of the workers, using the mass media, films, books, lectures, and other devices.[40]

When church leaders demanded freedom of religion under the constitution, the Communists responded with terror. They murdered the metropolitan of Kiev and executed twenty-eight bishops and 6,775 priests. Despite mass demonstrations in support of the church, repression cowed most ecclesiastical leaders into submission.[41]



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Salamandre
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posted September 16, 2012 02:33 AM

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Has anybody watched the movie that's causing all this rage. Can you give me a link to the full movie?


It looks like has been removed from youtube, but it really does not matter. I bet none of the muslims in the street watched it, and no need.
The movie is made by an amateur, express only its subjective views, was condemned by everyone, yet the muslims choose to burn everything because there are deeper goals in the design.

Like someone said, say that islam is not a peace and love religion, muslims will kill you to prove you're wrong.

@Fauch: not arrested, but expelled from country, for ever. You cure racism by deleting the obvious elements which are the cause. You know very well that in France, for example, you can burn french flag and go away with a 50 euro fee. That's why more and more people will vote FN, because the law is spineless.
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posted September 16, 2012 02:46 AM

Elodin, atheism is not a belief. Just like not believing in dragons, ufos, ghosts and elves is not a belief. If you define not believing in something as a belief, then you, not being a buddhist, muslim, mormon, hindu, zeus worshipper are also believes and you have too many of them. Atheism is simply a position: It is not to assume god exists. Your god is as mythological as medusa or odin or dracula if you're looking at the subject objectively, and by today's standarts there is no special reason to believe in him.

The clergy is attacked at many revolutions because they are seen as a part of the oppressive class. Revolutions are by definition bloody but there is no militan atheist principle to attack the clergy, to take a historical fact and putting it out of context is twisting the facts. There is a contextual link between abrahamic religions, their holy books, their hell and aggression toward non-believers. On the contrary, there is no contextual link between atheism and aggression against believers. It is as simple as that.

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