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Heroes Community > Heroes 6 - The New Beginning > Thread: Things that H6 did right
Thread: Things that H6 did right This thread is 8 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 · «PREV / NEXT»
JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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posted January 08, 2013 11:11 PM

Exactly.
Not that many things we disagree about.
As we well know.

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KaynaCrous
KaynaCrous


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posted January 09, 2013 03:11 AM

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Not against a SPECIAL build.


That is true. My balance comment was referring to the usual balance idea applicable to all games ; there should be a 50 - 50 chance between players of equal skill.

Now, Heroes 6 wise, I have a challenge I issue to everyone on these boards ; try to beat DreadKnight86's might undead on legion duels with at least 1 combo of all races ; I have yet to defeat him with every race.

Good luck with the sanctuary.

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Storm-Giant
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posted January 09, 2013 11:40 AM

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That is true. My balance comment was referring to the usual balance idea applicable to all games ; there should be a 50 - 50 chance between players of equal skill.

50-50 balance is unreachable, unless you fix all to something like throwing a coin...as long as x faction doesn't have a winrate over 55 / under 45 in each matchup, it should be fine.
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forest001
forest001


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posted January 09, 2013 11:56 AM

and how do you know if he's not just a better player?

can you spank him on other army sizes? other factions?

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zaio-baio
zaio-baio


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posted January 09, 2013 12:18 PM

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what heroes 6 did right : the respecialisation's button when you obtain the first level of blood or tears path.
That allow to change strategy in middle game to surprise your enemy opponent.
In campaign i found it very useful to change skills for others because my first build were good to creep but not so good to engaged the final batlle.


If there is no going back in super mario, then there should be no going back in heroes

As i see it h6 is oriented towards 8-12 years old kids.

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flonembourg
flonembourg


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posted January 09, 2013 12:28 PM

I think today the game is pretty balanced beacause of the skill design (who doesn't make the unanimity).
You can creep with every faction with regeneration, heal , life drain spell....
So FOR ME when creeping is almost equal at the begining is simply the skill developement, artefact and time you take to conquer important building who decide who win the game.
I remember the time when people complained in H5 about how inferno was at his disadvantage in early game witout Deleb and how many thread tried to find a creeping's solution with other hero than deleb...
And Today we complained that almost all factions have the same skills, so same skills at the begining and the game is rather boring.
For me that was rather boring: try to get swift mind in heroes 5 but never managed to get scouting! Try to go for preparation but never managed to get tactic! Try to get the ultimate (just for fun) but i failed again and again, and all my plans failed.
Heroes 6 is not perfect and i agree he needs to be patch (again) and improved (witht expansion may be) but H3 , H4 ,H5 have also many issue that Heroes 6 don't have.
Heroes 6 did right:
1/ No randomness in the skill system
2/Town conversion (with the option to disable it, it would be a must)
3/Town portal (rather boring to buy 8 heroes just to make a caravan)
4/New Necromancy system ( i was disappointed at the beginning, but i suppose is the easiest way to balance the game)
5/How the racial skill were implemented in every factions
And definitly is not a casual game, just because there is less ressources or many way to creep easier than previous heroes.. is just a different game!

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forest001
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posted January 09, 2013 12:44 PM

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... many way to creep easier than previous heroes...



not sure if it's easier, it's just more consistent across the board, now every hero of every faction has decent chance at creeping, whereas in H5 you either had fantastic creeping (Dungeon) decent one (Academy) or it sucked if you didn't get right hero (Inferno)

not sure what's the fuss about, in many ways it's harder to abuse the ai now than it used to be in H5... hard to defeat lots of champions week 2 now imho

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zaio-baio
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posted January 09, 2013 01:01 PM
Edited by zaio-baio at 13:31, 09 Jan 2013.

Its the worst "game" of the series and it needs lots of improvements to become 2nd worst. Heroes 4 is actually quite a decent game compared to h6.

P.S About h5 - there was a huge difference between ubi/rmg/custom maps. Some of the custom maps were pretty broken, but that was mapmaker's fault, not nival's.

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forest001
forest001


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posted January 09, 2013 01:06 PM

why?

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flonembourg
flonembourg


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posted January 09, 2013 01:08 PM

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Its the worst "game" of the series and it needs lots of improvements to become 2nd worst. Heroes 4 is actually quite a decent game compared to h6.




So you think actually heroes 6 did nothing right?
If heroes 6 is the worst for you, which heroes you find the best and why?
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Storm-Giant
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posted January 09, 2013 01:28 PM

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Its the worst "game" of the series and it needs lots of improvements to become 2nd worst. Heroes 4 is actually quite a decent game compared to h6.




So you think actually heroes 6 did nothing right?

he never said that.

Personally I think HVI had some great ideas (not all of them though), but horrible design + horrible decisions + buggy game makes together a very bad cocktel, specially if you add lack of variety (few factions, few interactions on the Adventure map, etc...) and some controversial decisions like resource reduction, all of that generates a lot of rage from the fans.

Also, don't forget that people have different tastes
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zaio-baio
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posted January 09, 2013 01:46 PM
Edited by zaio-baio at 13:48, 09 Jan 2013.

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If heroes 6 is the worst for you, which heroes you find the best and why?


h3 for the unique atmosphere and the mature graphics. I also enjoyed h5 a lot. What annoys me is that h6 could have started where h5 ended. I liked the skill system of h5 and i also liked the alternative upgrades feature. Lots of things were poorly implemented in h5, but i hoped that h6 will start with all h5 factions WITH balanced alternative upgrades, mature graphics, improved h5 skill system, changed/added lots of new creatures, rmg, simultaneous turns and the few feats you guys mentioned h6 did right - town conversion, less/no randomness and mb 1-2 things more.

H6 offers only the 2nd part with less resources, childish graphics, stupid creeping, no magic guilds and so on...

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forest001
forest001


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posted January 09, 2013 01:58 PM

what's so childish about the graphics?

and seems you just expected h5 expansion not new game... it was obvious that they won't start as big as game after 2 expansion packs...

they did screw up with the coding big time, but plans were probably there, hope they will choose programming studio better next time...

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xerox
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posted January 09, 2013 02:24 PM

H6 is easily the most beautiful game in the series. Where is it cartoonish?
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Avirosb
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posted January 09, 2013 02:27 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 14:30, 09 Jan 2013.



And also no. A high polygon count and exaggerated usage of particle systems aren't everything. Art style is important as well.
It is the most 'HD' game tho, I'll give you that.

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Storm-Giant
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posted January 09, 2013 02:43 PM

Graphics isn't one of the reasons of HVI "failure", imo. They are pretty good.
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Avirosb
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posted January 09, 2013 02:45 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 14:45, 09 Jan 2013.

The 3D models on top of the rather simplistic interface just sticks out like a sore thumb.

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Elvin
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posted January 09, 2013 02:48 PM

Let's not derail the thread please.
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xerox
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posted January 09, 2013 03:43 PM

How is it off-topic? Some people think that the graphics were one of the things H6 did right, others disagree.
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Maurice
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posted January 09, 2013 03:44 PM

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The 3D models on top of the rather simplistic interface just sticks out like a sore thumb.


Am I mistaken, or weren't you the one who had yet to buy and play the game?

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