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SepSpring
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posted October 18, 2012 01:38 PM

Is there any news about the expansion? Haven't "Ubisoft" guys already published some new materials about dark elves such as screenshots, descriptions, concept arts?..

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xerox
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posted October 18, 2012 04:54 PM

it feels like it was announce in a rush

they could atleast release concept art and creature descriptions on the facebook page, like they did with H6
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Elvin
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posted October 18, 2012 06:26 PM

That or they are biding their time so as not to run out of info soon. Still one would think that they would have said something by now.
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War-overlord
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posted October 18, 2012 06:36 PM

I suspect they are biding their time as well. As Elvin mentioned, likely wanting to spread out the info given. But indeed, you'd think they'd give us a tidbit by now. The fervor is dying, if it isn't dead already.
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posted October 18, 2012 06:52 PM
Edited by blob2 at 18:55, 18 Oct 2012.

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it feels like it was announce in a rush

they could atleast release concept art and creature descriptions on the facebook page, like they did with H6


Well, I think you are over exaggerating things. I mean we all are eager to hear any news about the game, but they have around 5 months at least to give us bids of info, and believe me, they will take they're time. For instance, look how tight-lipped Rockstar is about any info on GTA V, even though millions of players can't wait to play the game...

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posted October 18, 2012 07:13 PM

Well, GTA V will be a new game coming out. What we're waiting for is just an Expansion for a game that has already been released.

I think they were just dealing with people thinking that there wouldn't be any expansions, because they released the "Gold Edition" without any full expansions being released. I think they just announced this to let people know that they aren't quite done with Heroes VI yet.

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Dave_Jame
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posted October 19, 2012 10:07 AM

Well they did have some things going around lately. Like the Lore QaA, DoC Play a. the devs.Dance macarb DLC and Gold version. They just might think all this is enough, even though that this weak was very poor on any kind of information (The forth part of the QaA wasn't even published officially, just found on youtube)

But I think they will publish something soon.. The end of the month is the final limit, if you ask me.
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posted October 19, 2012 10:15 AM

I had a little think about this, and the thought came to me, as I checked my inbox, that Assassin's Creed 3 is about to release. (Tomorrow in America, Monday/Tuesday in good ol' Europe) I think that most of Ubisofts PR-machine is geared now for last minute AC-hyping. With less to do next week, they might give Might & Magic a little more attention.
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posted October 23, 2012 09:35 PM
Edited by chimthegrim at 21:36, 23 Oct 2012.


If there was not enough bad decisions that the develop management at Ubisoft/Blackhole/etc already made: dumb-down resouce management, no town screens until community backlash, and no elf, wizard, or other classic factions. Now the new out-of-touch decision is to bring back the much-hated dark elves. Here were the options you HAD!!!: elves--amazing. They are like rice pilaf and tilapia of entrees. EVERYONE LIKES THEM. Another option: Classic dungeon: medussas, black dragons and warlocks. Holy awesome batman. Or anything creatively unique like the team did with Sanctuary--props. No, the teams decided on.. wait for it... DARK ELVES! YAY!!

I simply can't believe that such an amazing series is handled by morons who don't love their craft enough to know that dark elves are just a cop-out to the inability to come up with good ideas.

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While I appreciate an expansion and am glad to see the Dungeon is back, I'm sad to see Dark Elves are going to be in the spotlight.  They are just awful, awful characters.


I could not agree more. The decision to bring back the dark elf idea into the series is just atrocious.

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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted October 23, 2012 09:44 PM

They are only a small part of the lineup, personally I like this dungeon a lot. But in general I find it hard to choose between sylvan, dungeon and academy.
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posted October 23, 2012 11:40 PM

Well, Dungeon in H6 will never be as badass as in H3, but I like where they are going in H6. Manticores, Evil Eyes, Minotaurs an maybe Blacks? Good enough for me...

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Hotarubi
Hotarubi


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posted October 24, 2012 01:58 PM

I actually find this Dungeon to be pretty cool; more interesting than the classic Dungeon lineup. They have a central theme that binds them together.

Although, I would have rather had Sylvan or Academy pop up in the first expansion, with the edge on the former.

Sylvan ftw!!

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posted October 24, 2012 02:21 PM
Edited by Avirosb at 14:21, 24 Oct 2012.

How do Manticores and Minotaurs figure into this central theme?
Just curious.

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posted October 24, 2012 02:27 PM

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Well, Dungeon in H6 will never be as badass as in H3, but I like where they are going in H6. Manticores, Evil Eyes, Minotaurs an maybe Blacks? Good enough for me...


After those creatures present in a compendium that doesn't mean they will necessarily be in Dungeon line-up.

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I actually find this Dungeon to be pretty cool; more interesting than the classic Dungeon lineup.


There isn't such thing like classic Dungeon. If you go retrospective through the series almost in every game the faction is diferent. Only in H1 and H2 the warlock line-ups are completely identical.

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posted October 24, 2012 02:34 PM
Edited by War-overlord at 14:37, 24 Oct 2012.

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How do Manticores and Minotaurs figure into this central theme?
Just curious.

Lore-wise you mean? Cause that I can answer.
Minotaurs were gifted to the Dark Elves by the Crimson Wizards of House Chimera to Tuidhana. This greatly angered the other Wizard Houses, Irollan and the Empire. Intended as heavy Shocktroops, they were used as such by both the Crimson Wizards and the Dark Elves, however the Dark Elves granted the Minotaurs freedom for their loyalty instead of using them as slaves.

Manticores are magical beasts, just like griffins. Mutated when they came into contact with a Dragonvein. In this case an underground Shadowvein. Due to their natural affinity with Shadow Magic, Manticores are kept by Dark Elves. They are used as War-beasts and their immensely potent venom is oft harvested by and for Dark Elf alchemists, Shadow Sorcerers and poison-brewers.
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Avirosb
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posted October 24, 2012 03:57 PM

I didn't really have lore in mind when I asked the question,
but regardless, thank you for the insight.
So minotaurs were freed from slavery and then enslaved again some time before H5?
Or another retcon?

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Dave_Jame
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posted October 24, 2012 03:58 PM

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Intended as heavy Shocktroops, they were used as such by both the Crimson Wizards and the Dark Elves, however the Dark Elves granted the Minotaurs freedom for their loyalty instead of using them as slaves.



So this would mean that the minotaurs are not slaves as they were presented in H5 anymore (or not yet). Am I right or wrong? If I am right the dream of some fans of a Minotaur hero can become true?

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There isn't such thing like classic Dungeon. If you go retrospective through the series almost in every game the faction is diferent. Only in H1 and H2 the warlock line-ups are completely identical.

I for myself disagree. The H3 Dungeon has shares the same number of units with the H2 Warlocks town, as the H3 Ramperd shares with H2 Sorceress town.
A classical Warlock/dungeon town. can be seen as a random mix of mythological creatures under the command of might magic users associated with *Evil.

* Evil as Evil from the point of view of people who consider themselves as good.

This can be said for most factions that could be seen as the followers of the H1 Warlocks (I can't recall the original name right now). The only different faction is the H5 dungeon, which shares the general theme and setting but most of the factions units are not "Monsters" but members of one race, the dark elves.
Now when we compare the current speculations of the H6 dungeon line up with this "New faction" from H5, as it was presented this way during the development of H5, we can see that they have more things incommon with the older "Warlock" towns, even if this town won't actually have warlocks as heroes in it (Warlock is now an inferno hero class).
We now usually speak about 4 or 5 "monsters" in the line up. Even if all other creatures would be Dark Elves, they would now be the minor part of the faction.

When you would ask people to name a creature from the Dungeon town, most of them would say Black dragon (present in 5/5 games), many would also say Minotaurs (present in 5/5 games). You would also encounter such options as Harpy (1/6) Evil Eye (1,5/5) medusa (2/6) or hydra (4/5). IMHO the 2 first named are the backbone of the faction. But also the rest of the named creatures, which have not yet been seen in H6 have a chance to get into the line-up.
The Dark elves, even if they are the central theme of the faction, will IMHO serve only as fillers in the line-up.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 24, 2012 04:13 PM

Umm, WHAT?

Dungeon changed CONSIDERABLY from II to III.
Level 1 Centaurs moved to Rampart
Level 2 Gargoyles moved to Tower
Level 3 Griffin moved to Castle
Level 4 Minotaur stayed
Level 5 Hydra moved to Fortress
Level 6 Green Dragon moved to Rampart
Level 6 Red and Black Dragon stayed

New creatures:

Level 1 Trogs
Level 2 Harpies
Level 3 Beholder
Level 4 Medusa
Level 6 Manticore


I would call this a nearly complete change in Line-Up.

In Heroes 4 there was no Dungeon at all. Instead there was a Chaos town that had Orcs and Bandits as level 1 creatures and Nightmares and Efreets as Level 3.

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posted October 24, 2012 04:44 PM

Hey JJ.. Warloks were not the only faction that made such changes, actually other factions like Ramperd or Tower had a similar number of changes but you would still say they are the followers of Wizards and Sourceress

(Examples:
H2 sourceress town
Sprite - did not make it, later came back as part of Conflux
Dwarf - stayed
Elf - stayed
Druid - did not make it
Unicorn - stayed
Pheonyx - did not make it, later came back as part of Conflux

New units in H3
Centaur (From warlocks)
Pegasus (new)
Dendroid (new)
Green/gold dragon (Hlaf new half came from warlocks)
4/7 new. does this mean they are a new faction?

H2 wizards
Hobit - did not make it, later came back as neutral
Boar - did not make it, later came back as neutral (sort of)
Golem - Stayed
Roch - moved to Stronghold/barbarian
Mage - Stayed
Titan - Stayed

New units in H3
Gremiln (New)
Gargoyl (From Warlock)
Genie (From neutral)
Naga (New)
4/7 new. Does this mean they are a new faction?


When I would look at it from your point of view. The chaos Faction from Heroes IV and dungeon from H5 would have more incommon with the  H2 Warlocks then the H3 Dungeon.

There is more to a faction then just the lineup. The way it is played, what does it stand for, and many more. Yes H4 had no dungeon, as well as H1/2, but do not tell me you do not se the connection betwen H1/2 Warlocks-H3/5/6dungeon-and-H4Chaos
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War-overlord
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posted October 24, 2012 04:57 PM

I am not certain when, why and if Minotaurs are enslaved around the times of Heroes 5.
They were portrayed so in the game, yes. And according to the compendium the Dark Elves freed the Minotaurs upon recieving them, so those around the times of Heroes 6 are free.
But if the later enslavement is retconned, or if the Minotaurs are enslaved again later. I cannot say.
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