|
|
natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
|
posted March 30, 2013 12:33 PM |
|
Edited by natalka at 12:38, 30 Mar 2013.
|
Yes such single target spells are especially good for that scenario but until you get there 5,6 turn of the duel u play without specialization.
In duels this point may prove useful but in full map games there isn't such balance and the battle is a slaughter most of the time so there isn't time to cast single target spells.
I remember in H5 arena I had many games that were decided between 2-3 creatures still on the table. And I recall a game vs Kispagat first turn emeralds hit arch devils with GL 13 die and they retaliate with GL killing 14 of mine .. That's a full game!
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted March 30, 2013 01:18 PM |
|
|
Orc master is not OP, it's just strong enough to make picking anything else pointless - except maybe the harpy specialty. Some things to consider:
- Lifeblood pendant gives +3hp. By comparison +7hp to the most powerful stronghold core is pretty damn good.
- The abilities that make most sense to have are +2 to a stat of your choice which translate into 5% bonus. Said bonus is not universal as magic defense will not protect you against hero attacks or might units just like might defense will not protect you against spells or magical units. By comparison +7 hp to the most durable but also most damaging orc core unit is much better.
Not OP but still on a different level than the rest of them, which is why I asked not to use it.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted March 30, 2013 05:46 PM |
|
|
I guess we will have to disagree on this one.
1). 3 hp to all units (=7 stacks) sounds better to me than 7hp to one stack
2). In most of the cases you know whether the dmg will come from might or magic. If you are facing might stronghold or haven picking +2 def is a viable choice b/c +5% defense to all units is quite ok.
I've never played stronghold magic but i don't this i'd choose +7hp to non-magical core. I'd say even more: the choice is obvious only for might tears.
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted March 30, 2013 08:50 PM |
|
Edited by Elvin at 20:50, 30 Mar 2013.
|
In other news I lost to Nikolas in a blood shaman vs inquisitor game. His stronghol forces dealt insane damage with no range penalty(unicorn or emerald yumi bow) and they also had +10 to init! We both had +6 to morale and Crag helmet and all I had to delay him was mesmerizing spaulders for -1 speed. In the end he survived with 12 cyclopes and some battered dreamreavers, furies and gobbos. At some point he puppeted my glories and played purity to unblind his cyclopes. Puppet was dispelled too 
This match can be summarized perfectly by this video 
MORE DEATH! MORE GLORIOUS CARNAGE!
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted March 31, 2013 02:53 PM |
|
|
Quote:
In the end he survived with 12 cyclopes and some battered dreamreavers, furies and gobbos. At some point he puppeted my glories and played purity to unblind his cyclopes. Puppet was dispelled too
Could you write sth more about the battle: I mean did you both camp, what was the spell choice at the first turn? With no dispel (and being blood purity lasts 1-2 turns only) how nik coped with blinding power of yours (glories, light eles, blindness and time stasis). Did you both cast acid cloud etc.?
I'm almost certain that nik went for fire spells and maybe air.
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted March 31, 2013 03:15 PM |
|
|
Oh the usual shaman tricks, fire and puppet. I was mostly working with chain lightning and fireball, former for the stun and the second for support. Also had implosion but it wasn't really worth casting.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:03 PM |
|
|
Gameslayer: eastern holidays are over so i don't have much time and might not visit the forum so often. Please use mail to schedule our duel.
BTW:
Quote:
In duels this point may prove useful but in full map games there isn't such balance and the battle is a slaughter most of the time so there isn't time to cast single target spells.
I disagree i have a skirmish hero with lightning bolt specialization. I think that this is one of the best specializations in the game. I rarely play multi normal map but they don't last many months, your creeping is important and dmg from spells should be crucial in early fights.
|
|
Gameslayer989
Known Hero
Always looking for a fight!
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:15 PM |
|
|
|
I sent you an email like friday. Did you not recieve it?
|
|
natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:40 PM |
|
Edited by natalka at 19:48, 02 Apr 2013.
|
NamelessOrder, my point is totaly different from what you have grasped. I am talking about usefulness of such skills/specializations in final battle and not clearing the map early.
Moreover it is very bad to take certain specialization to have easier creeping. Lightning bolt is 30 mana, come on... When my hero is blood magic I would take fire bolt or ice bolt for creeping early..with 30 mana you will deplete it very soon if there aren`t mana potions arround. I am talking about 3-4 battles per turn.
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:42 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I sent you an email like friday. Did you not recieve it?
no i didn't
|
|
Gameslayer989
Known Hero
Always looking for a fight!
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:49 PM |
|
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:50 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Nameless Order, my point is totaly different from what you have grasped.
o.O im just responding to your comment
Quote:
..... I think heroes with 10% on a spell are useless...
all im doing is proving that they are not useless (imho)
Quote:
Moreover it is very bad to take certain specialization to have easier creeping.
ok, in duel thread this actually is not important but overall i think early creeping is quite significant (access to mines). You have from the start a spell that needs 5 lvls to unlock.
|
|
natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 07:59 PM |
|
Edited by natalka at 20:06, 02 Apr 2013.
|
No, you can creep with ice bolt just as good. Try harder 
They are useless for final battle, period. For me a hero without a good specialization or a specialization for creeping is not good at all. I am sharing my tournament practice view. E.g.: In H5 day 1 I get Maeve and Vittorio and take Maeve trying to creep just as good but it is triple harder than Vittorio. Final battle I cast mass haste and smash sylvan army  .
I know H6 specializations aren`t a gamebreaker but better have +2 def/att/sp or sth else than have no specialization - if you don`t cast lightning bolt in final battle your hero has no specialization.
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:10 PM |
|
|
This round should have already finished. When will you be able to arrange that game? An extra 2-3 days are ok but if it's beyond that I'll have to start the next round.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:11 PM |
|
|
Quote:
This round should have already finished. When will you be able to arrange that game? An extra 2-3 days are ok but if it's beyond that I'll have to start the next round.
it's our second match, we both won our first matches
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:22 PM |
|
|
Quote:
No, you can creep with ice bolt just as good. Try harder
They are useless for final battle, period. For me a hero without a good specialization or a specialization for creeping is not good at all. I am sharing my tournament practice view. E.g.: In H5 day 1 I get Maeve and Vittorio and take Maeve trying to creep just as good but it is triple harder than Vittorio. Final battle I cast mass haste and smash sylvan army .
I know H6 specializations aren`t a gamebreaker but better have +2 def/att/sp or sth else than have no specialization - if you don`t cast lightning bolt in final battle your hero has no specialization.
A couple of things:
1) I have no experience in playing competitive h5 nor h6
2) the maps in h6 (that i played) are rather small and final battle may occur between lvl 10-15 heroes at that lvl every ability point counts and the value of an ability point is equal or even more to +2 def
3) i can have ice bolt from the very beginning i cannot have lightning bolt from the start (i need lvl 5)
4) Of course im gonna use lightning bolt in the final battle
5) i agree that mana is a problem, on many maps there are wells and if you play multi you kinda know the map by heart so you know where the wells are but its still an issue
|
|
Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:27 PM |
|
Edited by Elvin at 20:28, 02 Apr 2013.
|
My apologies, seems we are all done then. I never did say what the next matchups were but that's just as well. Nameless vs Gameslayer and Nikolas vs Locksley it is!
PS lightning bolt is not a good creeping spell nor is it a good lategame spell. When you have multiple fights per turn it's not worth much and in lategame you have little reason to use it unless you have exhausted the cooldown of your better spells.
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
|
|
NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:31 PM |
|
|
Quote:
My apologies, seems we are all done then. I never did say what the next matchups were but that's just as well. Nameless vs Gameslayer and Nikolas vs Locksley it is!
I simply looked at the brackets.
I quote myself from a couple of days ago:
Quote:
I glanced at the brackets:
Quote:
Poly vs Gameslayer
Nameless vs Arvis
Nikolas vs Elvin
Locksley vs RedEmperor
It seems that i am to play with the winner of Polly vs Gameslayer. I encourage the winner not to be shy to gather his forces  .
|
|
natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
|
|
posted April 02, 2013 08:47 PM |
|
Edited by natalka at 21:55, 02 Apr 2013.
|
First, sorry If I was rushy towards you. If you play ubi custom maps and battle occurs 10-15 lvl it is another game actually and you are totally right 
I think you know you can visit dragon vein only once per week.
|
|
Locksley
Promising
Famous Hero
Wielding a six-string
|
|
posted April 03, 2013 10:50 AM |
|
|
Duel!
I'm now preparing a bonky plan to challenge you with, Nikolas.
It would be good if you can play in the daytime wedn-thurs-fri?
Please post here if there's a special time you want to play.
The evenings are busy this week, and if we manage to play in the daytime we should try to finish the game before 16.00 gmt+1
|
|
|
|
This thread is pages long: 
