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GunFred
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posted November 18, 2012 12:35 AM |
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I guess it is true that swedes do not know much about Israel as a country but I have never noticed media bash Israel itself, they report the sufffering and of course every small terrorist attack is not going to make the news. A large israeli offensive on the otherhand... I am absolutly sure though that no meaningful amount of swedes fool themselves that Israel is evil and the palestinians are just opressed freedim fighters.
Here is a google translation of a swedish article:
New air strikes on Gaza.
Israel continues to bomb Gaza. During the day, at least four Palestinians have been killed.
The Israeli army is preparing to offensive can be as long as the war in 2009, when about 1,300 people were killed in just over three weeks.
Three Palestinians were killed in an Israeli air strike against Maghazilägret in central Gaza Strip, according to hospital sources today. Palestinian security sources said the three were active in Hamas's armed wing Izz al-Din al-Qassam. Later killed another Palestinian in an Israeli bombing raid against Rafah.
The afternoon air rang alarm sirens in Tel Aviv and a Palestinian rocket struck the southern outskirts of the city, but according to Israeli paramedics, none have been damaged. Hamas's armed wing in the Gaza Strip, claimed responsibility for shooting the rocket to Tel Aviv, reports Reuters.
Previously wounded three Israeli soldiers lightly of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, said an army spokeswoman.
Bjorn Hermann, spokesman for the Israeli army (IDF), which has both Norwegian and Israeli citizenship, told the newspaper Verdens Gang of air strikes against Gaza just knocked out a smaller portion of Palestinian rocket stock.
- The last war against Hamas only led to a short-term reduction in rocket attacks. Now the government want a long term solution, and has ordered the defense to do what is necessary. It means we are nödda to take several steps to eliminate the threats to Israel, in addition to those we have hitherto done, he tells VG.
- We can not exclude that this will be as long as 2009. The evidence suggests that we have only seen the beginning of this operation, he added.
Hamas Health Minister, Mufid al-Mukhalalati, warns of acute shortage of medicines and medical equipment.
It is only one article but it looks rather unbiased to me with only cold fact and some comments.
"Sweden is multicultural by its constitution. Those who want it to be swedish are labelled as racists.
Now I'm not saying that I think it's right for those people to be called racists or that I find the current media headlines to be objective in any way." - Xerox
Those who speak of keeping Sweden swedish should be labeled racists. I consider something "swedish" to possess certain traits rather than race and in my view, racism and intolerance are highly un-swedish. Its nice though that the Sweden Democrats have lately made real efforts to purge the lines of open racists. The party leader forbade racism(open racism that is).
In the end, if the palestinian authority is unable to accept Israels existance, then they can not complain when Israel retaliates harder
Lol, those muslims above look like KKK members. I wonder why anti-semites enjoy dressing up as ghosts... And I liked that Golda Meir quote. And how come Israel have had a female leader but not Sweden which is possibly the most gender equal country in the world?
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Seraphim
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posted November 18, 2012 12:41 AM |
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Obviously they have the power to do it, but they still shouldn't.
Shouldn't? Why? Because their behavior is not democratic compared to western standards? Well, thats how they regulate their immigration, probably the strictest immigration law in the planet.
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Zionism is racist, and harmful to both Jews and non-Jews.
I think its up to debate whether Zionism is racist. I dont agree that zionism is racist. Its like calling nationalism racist.
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del_diablo
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posted November 18, 2012 02:57 AM |
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Because not being hated by pretty much all of their neighbours, some of them militant, might be beneficial to them in the long-run?
Israel would be less "hated" is they just drew the border, finished the battle, permanently occupied the land or stopped the occupation, and just got it over with.
Any international effort groups always fails at stopping such things anyhow, and neighbor nations would not help Palestina because going to war on short notice is too costy from a budget standpoint.
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antipaladin
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posted November 18, 2012 06:07 AM |
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we did drew the border, we did permently ocupaid everything thats within israel, why no body cares?
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Geny
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posted November 18, 2012 08:27 AM |
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@GunFred
That article indeed looks neutral to me. I was happy to read it. Thank you.
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del_diablo
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posted November 18, 2012 04:36 PM |
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we did drew the border, we did permently ocupaid everything thats within israel, why no body cares?
Because you have not. There is still Palestina.
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GunFred
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posted November 18, 2012 05:21 PM |
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Geny, I am glad you were pleased with the article and here is another one from the same source. Of course I can not promise that all media is like this but I think these two well represent general swedish media. Geny and Anti, will you guys have to participate if there is a ground assault? Seems to me that things will get worse before they get better.
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Ten civilians were killed in an Israeli attack on a three-story house in Gaza today as the offensive entered its fifth day. Israel says it is ready to expand the operation, while intensive mediation efforts underway.
Israel is ready to "significantly expand" operation against militants in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The bombings have inflicted serious damage Hamas but a ground invasion may be necessary, according to Israel.
At the same time says a high Palestinian official said that "serious talks" out of a truce and an agreement can be reached "today or tomorrow," writes AFP.
Israeli President Shimon Peres welcomes Egypt's attempts to get a ceasefire, but says that Hamas has so far rejected the proposals. An Israeli envoys have traveled to Egypt for talks on a ceasefire and tomorrow, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon there.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius has traveled to Israel and the West Bank in order to "urge all parties to stop the escalation and offering French help to reach an immediate ceasefire", said Foreign Ministry in Paris. Fabius is among others to meet Israeli President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas during one-day visit.
Israel considers necessary to attack hundreds more targets to stop Hamas and other militant groups from firing rockets.
Norskisraeliske Bjorn Hermann, spokesman for the Israeli army, said in an email to TT that several rockets from the Gaza Strip recently met with a playground and a residential area in the Israeli village of Ashkelon. According to Israel, 872 rockets fired at Israel since 15 november. 270 of them should have been shot down by Tel Aviv's Iron Dome missile shield and 489 have struck Israel. During the same time, the Israeli army fired on and hit 950 missile storage and launch sites in the Gaza Strip.
About 50 Palestinians have been killed and over 450 injured since Israel launched the offensive on Gaza. Three Israelis have been killed and dozens have been injured.
Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) on Friday revised its recommendations for Swedes residing in Israel because of the current security environment. Foreign Office advises against coming within 40 kilometers from Gaza, it is not necessary to go further than that. Previously, the recommended distance of 10 kilometers.
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necro-mutant
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posted November 19, 2012 05:38 PM |
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Hi everybody again
i was able to read the comments since my last reply only now. i read most of the comments but didnt want to waste so much time on 4 pages so understand me if i repeat someone's else points:
first of all i want to say some things and i will do it short and pointy:
1. someone said the numbers of deaths were unproportional (i think @Xeorx). i just want to mention (regardless to this or other oporations) the deal that was made with Hamas to release Gilad Shalit: the numbers there were also unproportional since Israel released like a 1000 prisoners for the release of only 1 man !! this kind of deals were made since 1985 (Jibril Agreement).
2. about the killing of civilians in Gaza: know that IDF is doing their best not to kill innocents and people that not belong to Hamas but you can never expect 0 casualties among them since they are in the crossing fire and more importantly: used as a shield by the hamas, even againts their will. i dont recall a state of war in which there were no civilian casualties. i want to mention also that IDF, besides it's attacks, was droping bulletins (information papers) that warn the civilians from future attacks and suggests to flee from the area. IDF also did phone calls to civilians in the area to make them get away.
3. about Israel as multicultural state: won't work and the reason to it is that in that case the situation of the jews will be the same as it was prior to 1948 and no-one can ensure that a second Holocaust won't happen. at least one jewish state must exist, with jewish ways, otherwise we will go backwards in our history and everyone will accuse them (jews) on their own problems just as the nazis did.
for conclusion i want to point you to 3 different videos that explain (to my opinion) many things about this middle east conflict from different points of view. those videos combined use only facts and there are no lies or misinformation:
1. history pov
2. Hamas terrorists kill innocent Palestinian in Gaza
3. Hamas Terrorist Tactics in the Gaza Strip
notice that the second video is made by an arab, maybe a civilian from gaza.
also pay attention that in this comment i tried to show every pov except of the Hamas pov since they are known as terrorists and since any nation in the world won't negotiate with this kind of militants !
have a nice day you all !
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xerox
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posted November 19, 2012 07:31 PM |
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Firstly, very few people are praising Hamas here. There are two forces that must be repelled in order for there to be a chance of stability. On one side, Hamas: who shows little interst in peace for both israeli and palestinians. And on the other side, the Jewish fanatics who believe that one group has a much greater right to the ground of Israel than another. They also show little interests in a peace that would benefit jews and muslims alike.
Secondly, I doubt very much that Israel would have a new holocaust if it became a state were jews, arabs and other people are viewed upon as equals.
If anything, that could put an end to the current holocaust seeing as how the Gaza Strip is pretty much a big prison where people are being killed right now.
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Minion
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posted November 19, 2012 08:08 PM |
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+1 to Xerox post.
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necro-mutant
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posted November 19, 2012 08:35 PM |
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Finally i see one mature post !
you are right about the 2 wrong sides (for my opinion).
and maybe you are right about your second statement, as long as people will recognize jewish people and their right to live equelly among others with no such destroying and killing agenda againts them.
this can bring a real world peace and paradise .... i think.
anyway .. i hope my videos describe more or less the situation in Israel and the surrounding...
so.... who is for some Heroes 5 TOE playing ? =)
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Geny
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posted November 19, 2012 09:17 PM |
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Minion
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posted November 19, 2012 09:36 PM |
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"Kish meir yeddish tuchus" lol
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Seraphim
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posted November 19, 2012 10:27 PM |
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GunFred
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posted November 19, 2012 10:56 PM |
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On a lighter note. Here is something to consider.
At first I thought it was crazy far right wing propaganda but when he said that the whole middleast should be given to the jews and all problems would be solved, I changed my thought to that it is troll video.
Shmuley Boteach...
Who could take that name seriously lol. Shmuley sound rediculous and Boteach sounds like an evil corporation.
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Geny
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posted November 21, 2012 04:58 PM |
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Today, about 6 hours ago, there was an explosion in a bus in the middle of Tel-Aviv. The result is 28 injured people, on of them in bad condition, one in mediocre condition and the rest are with light wounds. Police officials assume at the moment that the explosion was caused by a bomb that was left under a seat. As far as I know no group has taken credit for the bombing, although Hamas did praise the attack.
We'll see how it affects the ceasefire attempts and Israel's military actions.
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xerox
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posted November 21, 2012 05:26 PM |
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Conditions for peace:
Israel
- Ceasefire.
- Stops calling Israel a jewish state.
- Lifts the blockades.
- Israel stops the settling of the West Bank and all occupied areas gain independance.
Palestinians
- Ceasefire.
- Palestinians recognize the right for jews to live in Israel.
- A fair and democratic election, supervised by an external force, is conducted.
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gnomes2169
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posted November 21, 2012 06:15 PM |
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The unfortunate thing about your last point is, forced democracy has never (historically) worked in the middle-east. Especially not when the democracy was replacing a theocracy, the religious leaders still are in place, hold all the power and literally ignore the political leaders of the area. If you want a lasting peace to come as quickly as possible, then you must work with the system and convince the Imams that a cease fire is the right thing to do. Any democratically elected leader that makes a treaty is just a figure head that will be ignored by the people currently bombing Israel.
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smithey
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posted November 21, 2012 06:25 PM |
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Conditions for peace:
Israel
- Ceasefire.
- Stops calling Israel a jewish state.
- Lifts the blockades.
- Israel stops the settling of the West Bank and all occupied areas gain independance.
Palestinians
- Ceasefire.
- Palestinians recognize the right for jews to live in Israel.
- A fair and democratic election, supervised by an external force, is conducted.
You're getting into politics so here's a scenario for you to solve....
Facts -
1. Over the last 6 months there have been 7 attacks by (pick a religion) fanatics on Swedish soil (suicide bombers etc)
2. All 7 attacks originated in Malmo
3. Swedish gov felt like they have no choice (unfair as it sounds) but to have Malmo on a lockdown (blockades) and since then there really havent been any attacks...
Today Xerox has been elected to be the new prime min' of Sweden, grats bro  , first thing he did was to lift the blockades..
Two days after the blockade has been lifted there has been a new attack...
Swedish people are scared out of their minds and are looking at Xerox for a solution  ...
Xerox's solution is ???
Make it count Xerox or Im taking away your new position 
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del_diablo
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posted November 21, 2012 06:37 PM |
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Conditions for peace: - A fair and democratic election, supervised by an external force, is conducted.
Providing it is a proper election, this will just lead the most moderate anti Israel group to gain power. You can't have a fair election on the Israel's side either with the current political setup, because its still a mess on their side too.
Why do I know this? Because back in the day there was a Basco group called ETA, and a block of politicans labeled PP(Partie Populare(?)). This was Spain, and PP won partially because it was a moderate party that used the image of ETA to win the election. If you search in European history, you will find the same problems quite a few times, quite a few around 1930s as well.
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