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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted October 16, 2015 08:30 PM

Sure it is. At such point that we even feel nauseated. Every day we are taught again and again that anti semitism is bad and criminal. Every day there is someone being lynched on the medias because he had the balls to openly support the palestinian cause. Every day we are taught that the Shoah is not disputable and no comments other than the ones allowed by the oligarch jewish caste should be made.

Don't worry, the usual forces from shadow now openly work to keep Israel out of any possible negative mark. And this is why I lost any interest to discuss about, les jeux sont faits

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bloodsucker
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posted October 16, 2015 08:48 PM

Geny said:
...condemn the blatant slaughter of innocents by the Palestinians.

If a band of gypsies suddenly decides to camp in my frontyard I'll also don't give a damn if the todler was caught in the line of fire.

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Elodin
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posted October 16, 2015 08:53 PM
Edited by Elodin at 20:55, 16 Oct 2015.

Geny said:

Or is it shown that all of this is Israel's fault somehow?
I'm not asking to provoke. I really want to know how this is being covered.


Most of the US media is very pro Palestinian and anti-Israeli because most US media is controlled by the left. The president's spokesman has spoken of Israeli terrorism though today he softened his language slightly.

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/10/14/obama-admin-accuses-israel-terrorism
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Kayna
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posted October 16, 2015 09:11 PM

Salamandre said:
les jeux sont faits


Don't lose hope bro. Let's all travel to Israel and wave a bunch of peace flags and chant some peaceful words for a while. We can change this!

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Geny
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posted October 16, 2015 10:40 PM

@Salamandre
This is actually new to me. Can you please to link to a recent example of someone being crucified for supporting the Palestinian cause?

@Bloodsucker
Ummm... what?
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Salamandre
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posted October 16, 2015 10:45 PM

For example.

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bloodsucker
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posted October 16, 2015 10:54 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 22:56, 16 Oct 2015.

@Geny Forget it, it was an analogy and not a very good one. Plus I'm breaking a promise I made to myself sometime ago: not to post in OSM, it's time for me to try to earn a red star, not to lose the ones I started with.

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Geny
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posted October 16, 2015 11:04 PM

Salamandre said:
For example.

Indeed, I did not know about this. Although the original article on THR that the link references to seems to paint the situation in a different color, saying that no-one wants to discuss the issue regardless of sides.
But I was really hoping to see an example of lynching on the mediathat you mentioned and not of behind the scenes pressure. Sorry I'm being a bit hard here, but it is usually the media that most influences the world-view of the general public and as far as I know most of the media is not exactly pro-Israeli to say the least.
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Salamandre
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posted October 16, 2015 11:34 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:46, 16 Oct 2015.

Well, I gave you one of the most discussed examples, as I recall reading in many newspapers about actors being threatened because their pro-palestinian speeches.

Now, if you want a specific example from where I live, use the bit of french you understand to read about this french actor who is risking 6 months of jail because he made fun of jews in his one man shows. This is one of the most disturbing actualities we have to face. Googling his name might bring maybe also english links, so good luck.

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fred79
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posted October 17, 2015 02:02 PM

in cartoons here in the states, everyone is made fun of, including jews. but then, i think the creators are jews, so maybe they're given a pass.

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Elodin
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posted October 18, 2015 01:10 AM

I don't recall the last network I've seen a cartoon making fun of Islam other than on FOX. Christianity is frequently made fun of on the networks. The first time a draw Mohammad contest was held in Dallas, Texas, out of state Muslims tried to shoot the place up but got killed before they could do so. The liberal commentators all condemned the contest organizer and contestants.
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Hadji020
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posted October 18, 2015 04:45 AM

Guess who I'm rooting for. 😂
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fred79
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posted October 18, 2015 03:28 PM

Elodin said:
I don't recall the last network I've seen a cartoon making fun of Islam other than on FOX. Christianity is frequently made fun of on the networks. The first time a draw Mohammad contest was held in Dallas, Texas, out of state Muslims tried to shoot the place up but got killed before they could do so. The liberal commentators all condemned the contest organizer and contestants.


comedy central, i think, airs south park. fox airs family guy, and some other station airs american dad(made by the same creator as family guy). off the top of my head, those 3 shows have made fun of muslims and everyone else.

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Salamandre
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posted October 18, 2015 04:09 PM

In France we had an entire newspaper crew being assassinated for such drawings, not so long ago.

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bloodsucker
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posted October 18, 2015 05:00 PM

Most of the guys here aren't old enouch to remember the fuss when Salman Rushdie was condemn for aphostasy, so they think it has always been like this.

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artu
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posted October 18, 2015 05:58 PM
Edited by artu at 01:19, 19 Oct 2015.

It's true Islam is made fun of relatively less, but that's because Muslims in general are not mature enough to take a joke about their religion and nobody prefers to deal with the headache afterwards. That's not something you'd prefer though, because there's a bigger price they pay: They are considered less civilized in such matters, which is usually the simple truth. Think of it like face to face relationships in real life, if there is a guy in the group who cant take a joke and makes a fuss about everything all the time, people usually don't joke about him. But that doesn't mean he is respected more, that just means people stop to bother with him being a jerk.
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Most of the US media is very pro Palestinian and anti-Israeli because most US media is controlled by the left.

It has nothing to do with leftism. (According to you, even CNN is loony left.) As Sal has put it precisely , even when the rest of the planet Earth condemns Israel, U.S. reaches out to save them. If that situation changed a bit during the Obama administration, that's a good thing, it's called being fair. The way Israel acts, zero diplomacy, zero soft power, colonial mindset, civilians trapped under inhumane conditions permanently, they treat the Palestines like they want them to die out slowly as a people. Now, I know how antisemitic Arabic nations can get even if Israel wasn't acting like a bully all the time but they are acting that way, so the rest hardly begins to matter. The way they behave, it's getting very hard to look at things impartially when you look at things impartially. There is not always two symmetrical sides to a story, sometimes one side is more to blame, the national media here is very anti-Israel since that boat incident, so, I especially try to dig the Israeli side of events when something happens, I put extra energy not to be biased but the truth is, there usually is nothing that comes in defense about their actions towards Palestine.
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Elodin
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posted October 20, 2015 06:49 AM

The Obama administration says Israelis should "refrain from self help" during the "random acts of violence."  I guess they are supposed to lay down and die.  Unbelievable.

Kerry
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artu
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posted October 20, 2015 06:58 AM

It rather sounds like one of those politician talks that can mean anything depending on the listener:

"We continue to urge everybody to exercise restraint and restrain from any kind of self-help in terms of the violence, and Israel has every right in the world to protect its citizens, as it has been, from random acts of violence."
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Kayna
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posted October 20, 2015 07:53 AM
Edited by Kayna at 07:56, 20 Oct 2015.

Israel has been pretending to be the victim for the past 70 years or so : "We are Jew, we have suffered and lost our land, and now we have the right to take it back, and even if Palestinians suffer along the way, look at how many Arabs there are, and how many Jews there are. We are entitled to our small but holy land."

Israel doesn't have the will to stop this problem, and they are backed by the US. The US helps them in exchange for keeping a foothold in the middle east, if they ever need it. I'd say "let's build a wall and let them break it down in 75 years" but Israel's sporadic colonization makes it impossible. Israel and Palestine is such a long standing problem with obvious themes on each side, you can tell a lot about someone by asking him what is his opinion on Israel and Palestine.

To judge properly, one needs to put said subject to be judged ON A TIME LINE. BUt people only sees what they want to see because no matter how logical a logical argument one advances is, in the end, people are emotional beings and this is what truly dictates most opinions on the planet. In the far corner of our minds, we all know why those Palestinians are knifing a few Israeli soldiers here and there. We just have to let go of our little egoist feelings and detach ourselves from ourselves a moment.

Hey, we all got an opinion, and all opinions are equal. Mhm. *sage nod*

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fred79
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posted October 20, 2015 07:57 AM

i see what elodin is saying(because the statement says two different things), but i think kerry meant that isolated acts of violence will only keep the hatred from being extinguished on both sides; as each act is just more fuel for the fire.

not that anyone outside the u.s. is ever going to listen to an american politician, it's just stupid to even make it seem like a foreign politician's opinion matters at all(unless they are in charge of the military, anyway). might as well ask a celebrity what they think about anything; it's all bullsnow and fluff.

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