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meroe
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posted December 15, 2012 01:52 PM |
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Its because in US people have weapons. Ban them like in most Europe.
That has nothing to do with it. Have you forgotten Beslan? Mercaz HaRav; Winnenden ...... There have been school shootings all over the world, so it has nothing to do with the US gun laws.
If sicko's want to hurt others, they can do so easily enough whether its a gun or a knife.
This terrible situation just comes down to a damaged/deranged individual with a death wish and a spiteful desire to make someone pay for their own experiences.
Its a truly cowardly act to visit that revenge on the most defenseless of us all - children.
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JoonasTo
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posted December 15, 2012 02:28 PM |
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He killed his father and mother first so we can pretty much conclude his parents were not exactly doing their job right.
What does it matter if they're five year old kids or not? Human life is human life.
But most people here could care less about the dead kids. There are dead kids all over the world everyday. We only care about it because a guy went and shot them. That's not something normal people do. It intriques us.
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Fauch
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posted December 15, 2012 02:40 PM |
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HINT HINT 2, I NEVER TALKED ABOUT SCHOOLS OR HOW THEY TEACH TO EAT BABIES.
oh indeed, you said they are producing psychopaths, which is different.
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It just shows that the current highschool-middle school system is producing psycopaths everyyear, or at least brings the inner psycopath of some children-teenies to shine.
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In essence, even IF schools are not supposed teach murder or rape, teens learn those things IN SCHOOLS because of one dude being angsty and all the others find him cool. In essence, they DO learn in schools how to stab or kill or whatever because of enviroment in schools.
so, you eventually admit that by "pychopaths", you meant "killers"?
and I don't see what it has to do with school?
the guy committed suicide. I read that psychopaths are unlikely to do that (though I suppose it may happen, if they see it as a better option than prison)
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Aculias
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posted December 15, 2012 06:33 PM |
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This is sad news indeed.
They are only children who dont even know better yet which makes it more worst then some of these heartless comments.
Gun patrol has little to do with the problem as much as these young people with problems.
It is how they are raised these days.
Of course that is debatable.
Why do kids hurt other people.
As far as I know, the 20 year old may of went to that school when he was in elementary.
His mother now as they said was never a teacher there, but maybe a substitute teacher.
Even that is not on file.
It is sad because kids have their whole lives ahead of them & it was cut short.
All they know is having fun.
Right before the holiday too.
How can a parent celebrate christmas or their respected Holiday when something like this happens.
No parent should ever have to bury or cremate their own children, especially so young.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 15, 2012 07:01 PM |
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Guns don't kill people.
All I see gun probation as a means to deprive an effective tool from homicidal peeps, who may or may not have access to them even if it's illegal. Gun probation won't solve this issue, I sincerely doubt that if this guy didn't have a gun, he would've been blissful and lived a happy. Instead, I daresay he would've stabbed his parents then went unto stab kiddies, cause you know, where there is a will, there's a way.
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Fauch
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posted December 15, 2012 07:14 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 19:16, 15 Dec 2012.
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Even though my opinion is to hang the motherbeepers who commit such atrocities on sight without a court, there must be something deeper that makes them do it. nothing is ever done without a reason.
sometimes there is no reason. or it is extremly meaningless.
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He killed his father and mother first so we can pretty much conclude his parents were not exactly doing their job right.
maybe he actually wanted to punish parents?
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angelito
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posted December 15, 2012 08:22 PM |
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Guns don't kill people...
Yes they do...they just need someone to pull the trigger.
It's like saying: "Knifes don't cut"....
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artu
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posted December 15, 2012 10:35 PM |
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The feeling of "just pulling the trigger" and strangling someone, or even stabbing are not the same no matter how berserk you go. So in these situations guns do kill people. I really dont understand Americans on this subject, to anyone else buying bullets from a super market is a weird thing at least. Also linking this to lack of religion is wrong on so many levels I cant even begin to count. The least religous countries are in northern Europe, they are also the countries with lowest crime rates statistically, religion goes away with education and wealth, not degeneration.
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Doomforge
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posted December 15, 2012 10:56 PM |
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The problem with guns goes deeper than problem with knives. You get a knife for a multitude of reasons. You get a gun for one reason: killing. What else do you have in mind when buying a gun? That's the only thing the gun's good for.
No, it's not self-defense. It's killing. You may call it "killing in self defense", but it's killing anyways.
No, not against guns. Personally, I don't care. I however know I wouldn't want to kill a robber or even a murderer. That's why I avoid even knives. There are safer ways to defend yourself and your home. Blowing someone's brains out is neither efficient, nor acceptable for me.
And don't go around saying you gotta be a psychopath to kill. Heck. I have an antisocial personality disorder. That makes me a psychopath, I guess? And I wouldn't even want to kill a guy in self-defense.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 15, 2012 11:02 PM |
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Yes they do...they just need someone to pull the trigger.
Erm, a gun alone is completely harmless, as is a knife, I wrote like four words, and you decide to add to it just to suit your agenda.
The point being: a gun is a tool, it falls on the user to decide what the tool does, whether that be for hunting and leisure, or efficiently ending the lives of fellow humans.
Doom@ I bought myself a bow and a blade a while back, I took up fencing and archery as a child too, the only thing these things can do is kill, yet they're important to my leisure activities, and my personal life, I also have friends in gun clubs who are utterly distraught at the ****ness of English law regarding firearms, one in particular was instigated because ONE crazy guy decided to kill some children and eventually himself.
I support the right to bear arms, and legalization of drugs, so that one day the members of our society will want the righteous path by choice, rather than being yoked and forced upon it through the repression laws.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted December 15, 2012 11:27 PM |
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We already have a thread about guns guys.
And yes, you can have a gun for reasons other than killing, just like you can have a bow for other reasons than killing.
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Doomforge
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posted December 16, 2012 12:16 AM |
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I see no utility in a gun other than killing. it's designed for it, and it's meant for it. Sure, you can goof around with it in the shooting range, have fun. But the purpose? killing. What else? Would you deny it?
Sure, I can probably use the pistol as toothpick for a pet shark, or something, but that doesn't change the fact it was made for killing 
As I said, I have nothing against guns. They're cool. They're fun. But they are meant to kill. Denying it is ridiculous.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 16, 2012 12:42 AM |
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Just because you'd only use a gun to kill, doesn't make it true for the rest of society, and believe it or not, killing is not the only purpose of a firearm, besides a statute/law reform affects all, and it must incorporate more than just one narrow perspective.
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smithey
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posted December 16, 2012 02:56 AM |
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Edited by smithey at 02:58, 16 Dec 2012.
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I see no utility in a gun other than killing. it's designed for it, and it's meant for it. Sure, you can goof around with it in the shooting range, have fun. But the purpose? killing. What else? Would you deny it?
Sure, I can probably use the pistol as toothpick for a pet shark, or something, but that doesn't change the fact it was made for killing
As I said, I have nothing against guns. They're cool. They're fun. But they are meant to kill. Denying it is ridiculous.
I see no reason for sky diving, did it once, I even think I cried a little, conclusion was, its not my thing however i do understand that some people might feel other way coz not all people see things in a same manner...
You see no other utility for guns, I do..
1. Stress reliever, range is great just like gym is..
2. Firearms are even in the olympics and last I checked they dont kill people during olympics (ooops, bad joke coming here)
3. Safety, I feel much safer with a gun, unlike you I have the power, lets take this case for example, you have a kid, you just took him/her to school and guy shows up and starts shooting kids, you are pretty much helpless, the only thing you can do is stand in front of your kid hoping the shooter wont take both of you out, you have zero control over the situation, I on the other hand can stop the shooter...
Just like getting an alarm, people get guns, there are millions of gun owners who hope they'll never use it and millions of others who dont intend (dont even load it) to use it for anything except for scaring intruders away...
4. Zombie apocalypse - nuff said 
I however do think people should have psych evaluation before getting a license...
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 16, 2012 03:01 AM |
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you have zero control over the situation
That's nonsense, he can sneak up to the guy and spray him with pepper-spray, or tear gas, or martial arts, or in the worst case scenario, a pacifist's best friend, a grenade.
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Seraphim
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posted December 16, 2012 03:11 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 03:19, 16 Dec 2012.
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you have zero control over the situation
That's nonsense, he can sneak up to the guy and spray him with pepper-spray, or tear gas, or martial arts, or in the worst case scenario, a pacifist's best friend, a grenade.
Maybe in hollywood movies...
In a real life scenario, you would not be able to to heroic moves, or use pepper spray and so on.
Guns give people a sense of security, a sense of hope that a situation could get under your control if asked.
Also, I never understood the point of gun control.
Some hmicidal dude that is bound to kill will do so. Criminals find illegal ways to get weapons.
The only ones that really lose are normal people. Also, it is better to have a choice in having a weapon than waiting for law enforcement.
Also people, the guy who killed the kidds was supposedly suffering from asperger's syndrome.
If this is true, its just another mentally ill person gone nuts.
Maybe mentally ill people should not get weapons in the US...
See, its not an issue of ULTIMA EVIL IN PEOPLE or SATANIC LIBERALS but just another case of many many things gone wrong in the US.
I have nothing more to say in this thread.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 16, 2012 03:45 AM |
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So, what are the benefits of gun probation?
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blizzardboy
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posted December 16, 2012 04:39 AM |
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Its because in US people have weapons. Ban them like in most Europe.
"Most of Europe" here having the meaning of "Not Most of Europe".
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VOKIALBG
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posted December 16, 2012 09:25 AM |
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Edited by VOKIALBG at 09:31, 16 Dec 2012.
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Examples?
For instance in Lithuania, you can buy hunting rifles and shotguns, plus handguns for self defense. but you first have to attend a few lectures, get a permit and register the gun at the police.
But weren't there countless gun control laws in the states?
Also, banning something wont fix the problem. illegal dealers will pop out like weeds.
Here we have good control on weapons. They are banned. You can buy hunting weapons and sport weapons but only if you registrate them, pay taxes, have licence, use them only on places where this is allowed and have them assembled only there or in your home and etc., etc., etc. Illegal dealers? Not really. We are not in the Middle east, its not something everybody need, or something that causes addiction, so having weapons when its banned... it won't be that massive. Here police caught people with self-made guns and sometimes with stolen guns. And weapons here were banned since... around 1422... whats so bad about that? There are some extremist like far-right and far-left organizations that want to make it legal. They are only few people...
Banning weapons in a country is only for good.
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posted December 16, 2012 09:37 AM |
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But... but... but how is Elodin going to defend his family against the liberals when they come to eat his children, rape his wife, kill his dog and force him to buy health insurances?  Surely you can't be serious.
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