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Elodin
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posted December 16, 2012 10:24 AM |
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Saying there are other means of self defense is preposterous. We saw what hand to hand combat did in the latest shooting, eh? 26 people murdered.
Now, on the other hand, if teachers had been armed the odds are that the murderer would not have been able to kill 26 people before he committed suicide.
Liberalism kills. The innocent. With the ideas and ideals of liberalism being imposed on others. Always has, always will. But liberals have such good intentions. 
If you don't wish to defend yourself and your family with a gun then all means try to run up and punch the shooter out. But don't deny others the right to effectively defend themselves and their loved ones.
As has been stated, guns are merely a tool used by the wielder for his intended purpose. Recreational shooting, war, hunting, self defense, law enforcement, or murder. Murderers using the gun to murder is no more valid reason for banning guns than cutting off everybody's hands because someone used their hands to strangle another person.
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posted December 16, 2012 10:37 AM |
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Now, on the other hand, if teachers had been armed the odds are that the murderer would not have been able to kill 26 people before he committed suicide.
And what if he used a bomb instead? Those can be easily concealed and thus are very hard to prevent.
What about a flamethrower? Teachers are not trained special forces, what makes you think they could not succumb to panic in such a situation?
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posted December 16, 2012 11:50 AM |
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1. Stress reliever, range is great just like gym is..
2. Firearms are even in the olympics and last I checked they dont kill people during olympics (ooops, bad joke coming here)
I'm asking this again: what was the purpose of the gun, spear, bow? Why were they invented? to kill people. And you using a shotgun as a toothpick doesn't change the fact that the shotgun is meant precisely to blow someone's head off. Guns are meant for killing. You can find another uses for them, but that's that.
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3. Safety, I feel much safer with a gun, unlike you I have the power, lets take this case for example, you have a kid, you just took him/her to school and guy shows up and starts shooting kids, you are pretty much helpless, the only thing you can do is stand in front of your kid hoping the shooter wont take both of you out, you have zero control over the situation, I on the other hand can stop the shooter...
In Hollywood.
Honestly, you (and all thinking like that) insult the murderers' intelligence. Don't you think they take an account for being shot in a country where eleven year olds carry guns?
Just look around you. Everyone's armed to the teeth, so why is your crime rate sky-high anyway?
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Just like getting an alarm, people get guns, there are millions of gun owners who hope they'll never use it and millions of others who dont intend (dont even load it) to use it for anything except for scaring intruders away...
Now that's really funny. Think outside the box. If I'm coming to rob or kill you in a state that allows firearms, you can pretty much assume I exactly know about your gun (heck, in some states it's 2.5 gun per person, isn't it?), and if that's not stopping me from coming, you can shove that "intimidation value" where the sun doesn't shine 
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4. Zombie apocalypse - nuff said
Okay! Legit reason! 
A gun owner should first and foremost ask himself if he's ready to kill a guy. Because that's the idea when getting the gun.
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Guns give people a sense of security, a sense of hope that a situation could get under your control if asked.
A false hope, one might add.
I find it puzzling that people always imagine this great hollywood situation where they are perfectly aware of who the person attacking them is, with 100% ability to take out the gun and blow his head off.
Why don't people go for the most realistic scenario? Like, you're standing at the bus stop and somebody presses a knife against your body, telling you to give him your money. No joke, people. Stop insulting the criminals' intelligence. That's the first step of becoming unnecessarily reassured because you're carrying a few pounds of metal in your pocket that has zero use in typical mug situations. You may even get the idea of playing a hero over a few bucks and getting stabbed or shot.
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Criminals find illegal ways to get weapons.
Actually, no, they don't. The ones that commit genocide - the bullied 20yo for example who wants to lash out at his now adult opressors, or mom, or dad - whatever - can only dream of a gun in a place like Poorland. Without connections to the organized criminal world, you ain't getting crap. And who does your US massive shootouts? Ordinary guys with screwed up minds. Do you think there were none in Poorland? Oh, there's plenty of psychos here. And no school shootouts. Cause the bullied kids can't get guns in a supermarket.
Again, not against getting guns. I'm against this idiotic thought that a gun makes you safer. In reality, it doesn't.
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Saying there are other means of self defense is preposterous. We saw what hand to hand combat did in the latest shooting, eh? 26 people murdered.
Now, on the other hand, if teachers had been armed the odds are that the murderer would not have been able to kill 26 people before he committed suicide.
Another guy who insults murderers' intelligence. Who do you think you are, superman? When you're standing before the class and teaching, and someone enters the classroom and shoots you, not even a tank in your bag would help.
Pre-emption. Initiative. The attacker has those. If he uses it well, you may as well carry a bazooka and it's as useless as everything else.
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If you don't wish to defend yourself and your family with a gun then all means try to run up and punch the shooter out. But don't deny others the right to effectively defend themselves and their loved ones.
Go ahead and try to "defend" your loved ones in a common scenario. You know, if I were a killer, I'd just sneak up on you when you were opening the gate of your territory and stab you in the back without your beloved shotgun ever pointing at me.
False sense of security given by a piece of metal in a pocket can give people wrong ideas. Like the ones that the potential psycho is so stupid that he never took into consideration that you may shoot him in a country where everyone and their mum carries a gun.
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artu
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posted December 16, 2012 11:51 AM |
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Now, on the other hand, if teachers had been armed the odds are that the murderer would not have been able to kill 26 people before he committed suicide
Wow, when I listened to all those 'Texas and Guns' jokes in sitcoms, I thought they were exaggerating like anything else but I guess not. Someone from Texas can seriously suggest arming up elementary school teachers as standard procedure and call it precaution. A watchtower with a few snipers should come in handy too.
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Doomforge
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posted December 16, 2012 12:02 PM |
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And what's next? arming the kids?
Getting an armed security in public places is a nice idea for US, by the way. I'd stick to that. Leave the guns to people that can use them right, backed by security and cameras.
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Seraphim
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posted December 16, 2012 12:31 PM |
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Actually, no, they don't. The ones that commit genocide - the bullied 20yo for example who wants to lash out at his now adult opressors, or mom, or dad - whatever - can only dream of a gun in a place like Poorland.
You insult the intelligence of these type of people. You really think it is that hard to buy a gun illegaly?
I dont know how it is in Poland, but the situation is completely different from where I come from.
My assumption is that it is entirely easy to get a gun as long as you know where to ask.
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Without connections to the organized criminal world, you ain't getting crap.
True that. But you gotta ask just a few people and maybe bribe some people, and they can get you the information where to buy weapons illegaly.
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And who does your US massive shootouts? Ordinary guys with screwed up minds. Do you think there were none in Poorland? Oh, there's plenty of psychos here. And no school shootouts. Cause the bullied kids can't get guns in a supermarket.
I dont know how easy is to get a gun in poland or the US but comparing Poland and the US is off imo.
Otherwise, I really cant comment on that.
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Again, not against getting guns. I'm against this idiotic thought that a gun makes you safer. In reality, it doesn't.
Thats the whole point behind the guns. The give the ordinary citizen the feeling of security.
Also, I dont think that gun control could help in the US.
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Doomforge
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posted December 16, 2012 12:51 PM |
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You insult the intelligence of these type of people. You really think it is that hard to buy a gun illegaly?
Yes. It's hard as ****. In Poorland, at least. Without connections to "the underground", you ain't getting it.
And who are those homicidal maniacs? They aren't mafia, or even gangsters. They are random nobodies. The reason why we don't have such shoot-outs in Poorland is because it's not possible for a random nobody to get a gun.
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Thats the whole point behind the guns. The give the ordinary citizen the feeling of security.
I know. I just consider this feeling of security pretty deceptive. People getting the wrong ideas, and stuff.
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Also, I dont think that gun control could help in the US.
Me too. it's too rooted in Americans' mentality. I honestly don't know what could help here.
Oh, wait. I know a thing that could help. How about "stop gloryfying homicidal maniacs"?
Morgan Freeman’s thoughts on the shootings: You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here’s why. It’s because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single victim of Columbine? Disturbed people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he’ll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody. CNN’s article says that if the body count “holds up”, this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer’s face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer’s identity? None that I’ve seen yet. Because they don’t sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you’ve just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next. You can help by forgetting you ever read this man’s name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.
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posted December 16, 2012 01:04 PM |
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I hope many people will read these thoughts and think over them!
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 16, 2012 01:13 PM |
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You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem.
Amen/
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artu
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posted December 16, 2012 11:58 PM |
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And in China, half way across the globe there were 22 stabbed..so there goes the 'it's the guns fault' thing anyhow. Evil finds a way.
I've just seen this on facebook:
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selcy
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posted December 17, 2012 03:21 AM |
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R.I.P. little angels and heroes
So sad
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Elodin
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posted December 17, 2012 04:29 AM |
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The logic of the banner is flawed and loony. Their logic says that guns kill people and knives kill people so ban guns, ban knives. Yeah, maybe noone was killed in that incident by knives, but plenty of people die by knives.
People also get choked to death by the hands of others. Obviously we must ban hands. Cut off everybody's hands NOW, in the interest of preventing violence!!!!! But wait, they could kick somebody to death. Cut off everybody's feet, NOW, in the interest of preventing violence!!! But wait, someone could bite someone's jugular, happens all the time in the animal kingdom. Cut off everybody's lower jaw and pull the remainder of their teeth, in the interest of preventing violence!!! But wait, somebody could design a robot to kill another person. Remove everybody's brains NOW in the interest of preventing violence.
KILL EVERYBODY TO STOP THE SENSELESS VIOLENCE!!!!! 
Of course the rational among us recognize that tools are tools and can be used for good, evil, or neutral designs. Gun control proponents seem to lack that rationality and respond based on emotion and misconceptions.
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Corribus
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posted December 17, 2012 05:42 AM |
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Elodin, do you believe the average person should have access to nuclear weapons or sarin gas?
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artu
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posted December 17, 2012 09:20 AM |
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Their logic says that guns kill people and knives kill people so ban guns, ban knives.
Actually their logic doesn't say that at all. It says guns make it way easier to kill people compared to knives. Besides, guns are not a necessity to everyday life like knives, they are expendable. The argument of protection is falsified by example. America is one of the highest in gun-related crimes, it is also among the first in gun ownership, countries that ban or make it very hard to own a gun on the other hand, have low statistics on gun related crimes. It is as simple as that. So it's pointless to try to prove they are helpful instead of saying 'we love our guns and do not want to give them up.' But i guess it is consistent of you to insist on solutions that don't work, hey, maybe we should go back to exorcism on mental patients.
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angelito
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posted December 17, 2012 09:24 AM |
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Edited by angelito at 09:41, 17 Dec 2012.
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If some people don't have any reasonable arguments for their point of view anymore, sometimes their level decreases enormously...and it starts to sound pretty childish.
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Salamandre
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posted December 17, 2012 11:32 AM |
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted December 17, 2012 06:50 PM |
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Isn't giving such massive media attention encouraging nihilists? That if they kill a bunch of kids, the media will broadcast their face and story 24/7 for weeks, and be discussed world-wide. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
Commits suicide right after, better than committing suicide in your mother's basement, after all, there's no after life, no repercussion, so why the hell not be remembered at least. I'm only suggesting this cause almost all the school shootings I read, the perpetrator commits suicide, so fits the bill in my eyes.
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Zenofex
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posted December 17, 2012 07:29 PM |
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You make it sound like a hobby, even a profession. You casually chose a public place, shoot X people, then commit suicide. Well, actually, it's THAT simple because in the US the guns are accessible to all kinds of nutcases and latent killers (and everyone can fit into the latter category, following the right circumstances). But that's the whole problem, isn't it?
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Seraphim
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posted December 17, 2012 07:31 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 19:49, 17 Dec 2012.
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Isn't giving such massive media attention encouraging nihilists? That if they kill a bunch of kids, the media will broadcast their face and story 24/7 for weeks, and be discussed world-wide. Any publicity is good publicity, right?
You make it sound like this guys do this for publicity and It seems ti be true. But please dont bring nihilism into this discussion. It has absolutely nothing to do with these type of people.
Again, these people are sick. Some antidepressants cause increased ammounts of agression and change the brain chemistry, sometimes causing unpredictable behaviour.
You can imagine what happens when a manic depressive gets high doze of agression increasing anti depressants? These guys are doing these things not under the umbrella of some higher purpose or philosphical stance. More mental research and more agressive stances towards these types of people is a good start.
Psycopaths are smart enough to fake mental assesment tests.
You remember that girl who killed a 8 year old because she wanted to find out how it feels like to kill somebody? "She was sorry", thats what she said later on. Point is, thats a lie. These people are pathological liars. Statistics show that. Psycopaths have little problem killing somebody, any other remark they make about pity is a lie because their brain cant produce or maintain any empathy.
They are, in a sense, monsters.
These cases just mean that nuts have a way to "Explode" in america.
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Commits suicide right after, better than committing suicide in your mother's basement, after all, there's no after life, no repercussion, so why the hell not be remembered at least. I'm only suggesting this cause almost all the school shootings I read, the perpetrator commits suicide, so fits the bill in my eyes.
And what makes you think they are thinking rationally? Those people that commit these type of crimes are people who suffer from bipolar disorder, schizzofrenia, psychopathy and many many other possible mental disorders.
For all we know, they may think themselves as being immortal or become gods or something like that. They are deluded.
The fact that there is no afterlife or whatever you mean with that, is saying nothing about their actions.
The fear of afterlife or hell for that matter, does little to prevent such crimes. Afterall, america is de facto a theocracy. I bet each of these murderers knows Jesus,the bible and hell.
Even if they were deeply christian, these actions are unaviodable with mental instability.
A bipolar patient is still bipolar and without treatment goes nuts for a shortwhile no matter what he/she believes.
Please dont bring religion in this thread, let my post be the last in this matter.
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Seraphim
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posted December 17, 2012 08:15 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 23:42, 17 Dec 2012.
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There's no indication that he had a mental illness.
Oh yeah? Well, read this:
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Lanza's brother told law enforcement that Adam was believed to suffer from a personality disorder and was "somewhat autistic". An unnamed law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, and friends of Adam's mother[115] reported that Adam had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
Edit: why did you delete your *post Tsar?
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