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Elodin
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posted January 10, 2013 02:42 AM |
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Dictator Obama
Obama has bypassed congress to implement environmental agenda that is resulting in a lot of coal plants closing.
No Biden says Obama can implement gun control by executive degree, bypassing Congress and ignoring the Constitution.
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Vice President Biden said Wednesday that the White House could use "executive orders" to deal with gun control, as he kicked off a round of meetings aimed at finding ways to curb gun violence.
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The White House has sought to avoid prejudging what Biden's recommendations would be. But the vice president hinted Wednesday that executive action -- action by the president in which Congress would not have a say -- would indeed be involved.
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"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken," Biden said, adding "we haven't decided what that is yet."
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posted January 10, 2013 02:58 AM |
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Wait, what? Where in that quote does it say that Congress will not take part in the decision?
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posted January 10, 2013 03:53 AM |
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The republicans have been invited to take part in many conversations. Unfortunately they've decided to filibuster conversations.
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posted January 10, 2013 06:00 AM |
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I'm confused here, doesn't every president make executive orders at least once in their career? And plenty of them have resulted in a loss of jobs, some of them in personal rights or freedoms. So what? It's something that our founding fathers gave the president the right to do, and if congress wishes to remove what Obama has done then they can make a specific law that nulls the executive order. It really isn't the end of the world that the den of angry badgers (congress) is being bypassed by the wary huntsman (the president).
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wog_edn
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posted January 10, 2013 09:11 AM |
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When I saw the title I knew this was an Elodin-thread.
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posted January 10, 2013 11:16 AM |
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Can he be Marxist and Dictator at the same time?
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xerox
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posted January 10, 2013 11:30 AM |
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maybe it's time to start considering changing the political system considering how crippled it seems to be
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posted January 10, 2013 12:12 PM |
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Can he be Marxist and Dictator at the same time?
People can in America, where such words have completly lost their original meaning. Words as Marxist, Dictator, Fascist, Socialist and Communist now only mean :"Bad words for people who I do not agree with".
As a Dutchman I have little knowledge of the current political reality in the USA aside from things I see on the Daily Show. But I can say that such words as above have been used too often in media in the completely wrong context and as such have lost all meaning. Which as a politcal historian (in training), I can asses.
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posted January 10, 2013 12:20 PM |
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Please, next time you describe obama as a dictator, call him Dictator Bama. O'bama sounds so wrong.
Elodin, pack your snow and leave america while you still can. Socialist USA is coming.
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xerox
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posted January 10, 2013 12:57 PM |
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maybe Elodin should move to Putin's Russia, like that french guy did?
I hear they have a flat tax around 7%. O.o
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bixie
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posted January 10, 2013 01:04 PM |
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Edited by bixie at 13:05, 10 Jan 2013.
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!
Elodin has finally cottoned onto the liberal agenda! Quick, my liberal brothers, sisters and siblings, we my flee to our liberal-mothership and return to Libera 5, where we must prepare for the coming liberation with our Satantitheist-o-magics, our Abortioners, our Gay-loving shock troopers and our Dawkilling machines to protect our commu-fasco-dicto-socialist-imam overlord and our Gay Queen liberal!
Flee!
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Salamandre
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posted January 10, 2013 01:19 PM |
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Unfortunately leaving US was not so easy for Elodin, incident reported at NY airport.
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artu
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posted January 10, 2013 01:48 PM |
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Can he be Marxist and Dictator at the same time?
People can in America, where such words have completly lost their original meaning. Words as Marxist, Dictator, Fascist, Socialist and Communist now only mean :"Bad words for people who I do not agree with".
As a Dutchman I have little knowledge of the current political reality in the USA aside from things I see on the Daily Show. But I can say that such words as above have been used too often in media in the completely wrong context and as such have lost all meaning. Which as a politcal historian (in training), I can asses.
While I agree with what you say in general, I fail to see how it's not possible to be both a dictator and marxist? What was Stalin?
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Salamandre
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posted January 10, 2013 02:03 PM |
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Stalin distorted marxism for his needs. His disastrous line equating Social Democracy as an equal enemy to the workers movement as Fascism was so clearly prejudiced and filled with intellectual shortcuts that it can only explain why Lenin wanted Stalin removed as Secretary General of the Communist Party. Marx envisioned a society based on true balance of resources with all the freedoms of personal liberty that we all claim. Stalin was a...Stalinist.
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artu
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posted January 10, 2013 02:27 PM |
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On a level yes, Stalin is a bad example, but in the end, he labeled himself as a Marxist and justified his actions accordingly. I am not an anti-Marxist, I believe historical materialism is one of the biggest revolutions in the way we approach social sciences today. But the problem with Marxists claiming this or that is not "the true Marxism" is you can never see them show an example of true Marxism that exists. These people who should evaluate things in the scale of historical materialism according to their own theory, can never point out an historical example in which the socialist state haven't led to dictatorship. In a way, they remind me of Muslims who, when confronted about the shape Islamic countries are in, start to mumble how that is not the true Islam, which will of course bring peace, comfort and wealth.
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posted January 10, 2013 06:19 PM |
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Stalin was not Marxist. If I label myself a three headed dragon from Alpha Centauri, does it make me one?
Either way, look at this:
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Marx believed that a regular pattern of evolution controlled the human condition, which would then also lead to a more perfect society of classless individuals
Is leading a complex oligarchic terror-oriented party of omnipotent superhumans exactly fitting that belief? lol, **** no.
It's indeed called "Stalinism" and should not be confused with other political movements.
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posted January 10, 2013 06:22 PM |
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It's indeed called "Stalinism" and should not be confused with other political movements.
Technically it is called "Leninism-Stalinism".
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Doomforge
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posted January 10, 2013 06:24 PM |
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Leninism was a bit different. Leninism is a warped Marxism/dictatorship hybrid. Stalinism is a warped leninism that goes straight into the dictatorship category.
As for people who doubt Stalinism is not Marxism: A guy that had absolute rule over people can't possibly advocate a classless system which would put him down to the role of a mere average classless guy. it's completely absurd to mix those two. It's like a medieval king saying that the rule belongs to the peasants. Yeah, sure it does - especially when he hangs them left and right.
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posted January 10, 2013 06:28 PM |
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except if he is a god and not an individual?
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Doomforge
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posted January 10, 2013 06:32 PM |
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well, was he?
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