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Darkshadow
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posted January 12, 2013 09:35 AM

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Well, many liberals enjoy lying about me and I get smeared in most threads eventually so no accusation would really surprise me.



Fascists and communists also enjoy doing that
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master_learn
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posted January 12, 2013 09:42 AM

This blog here contains remarkable similarity with the style of Elodin.
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Elodin
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posted January 12, 2013 10:47 AM

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Well, many liberals enjoy lying about me and I get smeared in most threads eventually so no accusation would really surprise me.


It shouldn't, considering you incite it deliberately for your own gratification.


So......challenging liberal ideas is inciting personal attacks....
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JollyJoker
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posted January 12, 2013 10:58 AM

Just to put this into perspective ...

since the economy has gone global for a long time now, the basic tenets of Marxism have to be seen from a globalö perspective as well. Proletarians are the poor masses within the 3rd world countries and the lower workers in the emerging nations, while the 1st world isgenerally high middle and upper class on a global scale.

So calling Obama a Marxist is not only ridiculous, it's a gross offense in the face of those billions in this world who are REALLY exploited, screwed over and starving.


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bixie
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posted January 12, 2013 11:04 AM

JJ: do you think Elodin really cares about causing offense, particularly to people who aren't 'murican?
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Zenofex
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posted January 12, 2013 11:15 AM

Breivik is more Christian than Obama is Marxist. There - choke on it.

On a slightly more serious note - any type of really leftist ideology has zero chances in the US as we know it. There's too much worship of the private property, too much religious zeal, too little interest in any type of "common cause" projects. Of course Elodin will die haunted by communists (a ghost wanders about USA...), dictators, terrorists and atheists but the rest have no reason to worry - the US will become a theocracy ten times before it has the slightest chances to have even a moderately socialist government.

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xerox
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posted January 12, 2013 12:28 PM
Edited by xerox at 12:30, 12 Jan 2013.

well the US certainly doesn't handle it's economy much better than any socialist country

seriously, your economic system that's built on debt is retarded
when I was 12 years old, school taught me a working budget is one where spending is not any greater than income

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Fauch
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posted January 12, 2013 03:11 PM

It's not the same thing. governments used to have the power to create money.

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Elodin
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posted January 16, 2013 10:29 PM

The great states of Texas, Mississippi, and Oregon have informed the liberal Lord and Messiah, Obama, that they will not be abiding by any executive orders from his Unholiness that restrict the Constitutional rights of residents of the states to keep and bear arms. I guess we'll have to wait and see what terrible wrath ia wrought by Obama.

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State officials in Mississippi, Oregon and Texas are vowing to fight back against any attempt by the federal government to impose new gun control laws.

The warnings come as President Obama on Wednesday unveiled a comprehensive plan to address gun violence, based on the recommendations from the Vice President Biden-led task force. The plan includes a call for legislation to ban assault weapons as well as a variety of executive actions.

But in Oregon, Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller wrote a letter to Biden Monday saying his department will not enforce any new gun laws it considers unconstitutional.

Mueller said politicians are "attempting to exploit the deaths of innocent victims" by supporting laws that would harm law-abiding Americans. The sheriff said he took an oath to support the Constitution, and laws preventing citizens from owning certain semi-automatic firearms and ammunition magazines would violate their rights.

"We are Americans," Mueller wrote. "We must not allow, nor shall we tolerate, the actions of criminals, no matter how heinous the crimes, to prompt politicians to enact laws that will infringe upon the liberties of responsible citizens who have broken no laws."



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xerox
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posted January 16, 2013 10:31 PM

but from the news here it seems like he's intending to get it approved through congress

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gnomes2169
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posted January 16, 2013 10:39 PM

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but from the news here it seems like he's intending to get it approved through congress

This. Obama's plan seems to be that the executive order is a stand in while congress snows and fights in the nude with mud (and much scratching and name calling) over the specifics of the legislation that is already made and being modified.

And IDK why someone would need to have a gun that can make quarter sized holes in tanks to begin with, so a ban on certain guns (note, it is not on all guns) does make sense to me... From a practicality and public safety standpoint.
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Corribus
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posted January 16, 2013 10:56 PM
Edited by Corribus at 02:23, 17 Jan 2013.

I love the hyperbole.

Obama outlined a plan that he wants Congress to consider making into law.  Fine.  They'll probably argue for months and whatever is ultimately decided will probably look nothing like what Obama has proposed and will include six trillion pounds of pork that have nothing to do with guns at all.  It will also probably cost about 50 times as much as whatever Obama is proposing.  Still, well within his rights as President.

He also issued some executive orders which direct government agencies under his executive authority to change the way they regulate firearms or oversee other matters related to firearms. (For instance, one was to allow CDC to again engage on scientific studies about the impact of firearms on human health, another was to direct the ATF to hire a full time director.) Those agencies in response will change their regulations or regulatory behavior or do whatever they are ordered to do within their statutory authority.  In instances where the public (or NGOs) feels those executive agencies have exceeded their statutory authority, lawsuits will occur.  Those lawsuits will be brought to court and judges will decide whether the agencies have violated their statutory authority.  Either the lawsuits will then be dropped or injunctions will be issued.  Blah blah, we're not collapsing into dictatorship.  It's all standard procedure and well within the authority of the president to direct the executive branch to behave in certain ways.  This is why we have a judicial branch, to ensure that behaviors made in response to executive orders are well within the law.

I'm no big fan of Obama, but come on, people.  Let's keep it on the level.  Granted, most of it was political posturing, but it's no worse than breaking out the hyperbolic rhetoric from the other side about dictatorship.  <eye roll>

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The great states of Texas, Mississippi, and Oregon have informed the liberal Lord and Messiah, Obama, that they will not be abiding by any executive orders

Of course they won't.  Executive orders only apply to federal agencies.  No state in the Union will be abiding by any executive orders made by Obama.  They never do.  They will have to comply with any regulations made by federal agencies in response to these executive orders, of course.  But again that's what lawsuits are for.

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Elodin
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posted January 26, 2013 12:03 AM

The courts have informed our glorious leader that the Constitution applies to him too. This decision could invalidate hundreds of appointments Obama has made over the past year. Quite a set back to our glorious Marxist revolution, taking the US from within. Wrath incoming.

Father Obama had appointed three people (who could not gain Senate approval) to the labor board while the Senate was in recess but technically in session.  

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President Obama's recess appointments to a federal agency– made without Senate confirmation– have been struck down by a federal appeals court as an unconstitutional use of executive power.

The three-judge panel unanimously concluded Friday three people named to the National Labor Relations Board lacked authority, because the presidential appointments were made while the Senate was technically in a "pro forma" session during the winter holiday break.

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"Allowing the President to define the scope of his own appointments power would eviscerate the Constitution's separation of powers," said the judges from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. "An interpretation of 'the recess' that permits the President to decide when the Senate is in recess would demolish the checks and balances inherent in the advice-and-consent requirement, giving the President free rein to appoint his desired nominees at any time he pleases, whether that time be a weekend, lunch, or even when the Senate is in session and he is merely displeased with its inaction. This cannot be the law."


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Corribus
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posted January 26, 2013 06:14 AM
Edited by Corribus at 06:16, 26 Jan 2013.

Just for the record, every President since, well, since forever, has made recess appointments.  Obama hasn't really made any more, or less, than Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc., as far as I know.  Gut reaction is that I agree with the court's decision - appointing people specifically when Congress isn't around seems like it undermines the whole point of Congressional approval - although it will almost certainly be appealed to the USSC.  Still, spinning it as some specific slap against Obama by insinuating that Obama has been the only President to engage in recess appointments, isn't very intellectually honest.  It's politics, not Marxism.  If this behavior says anything particularly bad about Obama, it's that it's yet one more example (among hundreds) that Obama has not changed the way politics works in Washington.  Which is what he promised he'd do, if you all remember.
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posted January 26, 2013 06:35 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 07:08, 26 Jan 2013.

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The great states of Texas, Mississippi, and Oregon have informed the liberal Lord and Messiah, Obama, that they will not be abiding by any executive orders from his Unholiness that restrict the Constitutional rights of residents of the states to keep and bear arms. I guess we'll have to wait and see what terrible wrath is wrought by Obama.



This sounds like the intro to a really badass parallel universe sci fi novel.
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posted January 26, 2013 08:20 AM

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The great states of Texas, Mississippi, and Oregon have informed the liberal Lord and Messiah, Obama, that they will not be abiding by any executive orders from his Unholiness that restrict the Constitutional rights of residents of the states to keep and bear arms. I guess we'll have to wait and see what terrible wrath is wrought by Obama.



This sounds like the intro to a really badass parallel universe sci fi novel.


Or just a really bad one.

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Elodin
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posted January 26, 2013 08:31 AM
Edited by Elodin at 08:32, 26 Jan 2013.

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Just for the record, every President since, well, since forever, has made recess appointments.  


The difference being the Senate was not technically in recess because the Republicans kept people there to keep it in session.  They knew Obama would be appointing people who did not have a prayer of Senate confirmation if they did not keep it in session. Obama's appointments were not legal, as the courts ruled, because the Senate was not technically recessed even though most Senators were not there.

I think all recess appointments should be done away with because no recess appointment today really fits the original reason for recess appointments.  The original purpose of such appointments was to allow the president to fill a needed position that needed to be immediately filled during a time when Congress was away.  Back when intersession recesses lasted 6-9 months during the early years of the nation. Today recess appointments are merely used to get around the Senate when a president knows the Senate is not going to confirm the person who he wants in the position.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 26, 2013 04:59 PM

Of course the real question is, should a vital part of the government be - as an institutional body - ever completely on vacation?

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Elodin
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posted March 24, 2013 02:15 AM
Edited by Elodin at 02:17, 24 Mar 2013.

The communists in Obama's administration are at it again.  Remember when Mao Christmas ornaments hung on the white house Christmas tree?  Now they've posted a Mao quote on a US government education site for kids. After a public uproar they removed the quote.  No doubt you've not seen a story about it from the liberal media.

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A U.S. government website geared toward children under the umbrella of the Department of Education yanked a quote from Communist leader Mao Zedong off its page on Friday after it went viral on social media.

“Our attitude towards ourselves should be ‘to be satiable in learning’ and towards others ‘to be tireless in teaching,’” read what appeared to be a somewhat mangled Mao quote on the “Kids’ Zone” webpage of the National Center for Education Statistics.

Screenshots of the page were posted by Buzzfeed and Slate and quickly went viral on Twitter, particularly outraging conservatives.

Several cited estimated statistics about the human toll of his rule.



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Corribus
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posted March 24, 2013 03:33 AM

Y'know Elodin, just because a man was a communist doesn't mean everything he ever said was wrong or evil.

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