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GunFred
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posted January 24, 2013 03:17 PM
Edited by GunFred at 15:18, 24 Jan 2013.

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but on the plus side, at least the male soldiers who ARE actually putting their lives on the line daily would have somebody to "relieve tension", once their patrol ended.

Just plain disgusting! I am ashamed right now to share half of my username with you.
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hope that doesn't make me sound too horrible.

It does make you sound too horrible and the "" makes it no better.

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they ducked and covered, instead of returning fire. they cowered.

Is that not what you usually do during a drive-by? I admit though that it is what I have seen in american movies and do not have any personal drive-by experience since I do not live in a gun/war crazed country. Leave the suicidal attacks or counter attacks to taliban, kamikaze pilots and Rambo-wannabees.

I do think though that women can join as long as they can pass the same physical and mental requirements for the job as men do. And they better understand the horrible special treatment that might await if they are captured. If the US army wants an army of physical elites then maybe there will not be any women who can pass but since the US army needs to replace their dead and retired from years of self-rightous wars, I would bet they can not have too high standards.

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Zenofex
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posted January 24, 2013 06:18 PM

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Women are not as fragile as you think.  In fact they are able to tolerate pain more effectively then males.
Not sure where you're getting your information from but there are studies which say exactly the opposite, on top of the everyday impression that anyone can get. Yes, some women are stronger and tougher than some men but it is a proven fact that generally men are physically stronger and perform physically demanding tasks better. A very simple way to make a comparison is to check the results per gender of athletics competitions like the Olympics.

The gender equalization could become a real nonsense sometimes. Yeah, sure, if the women want to fight - let them. If they can prove that they can fare no worse than men during a real combat situation - all's fine. But intentionally playing games with the efficiency of your armed forces just for the sake of some misunderstood equal rights concept is both dumb and dangerous. Among other things, there's a naturally evolved reason why women are kept out of the battlefield - their is the main responsibility to restore the population after the war ends, i.e., cynical or not, on a large scale men are more expendable.

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posted January 24, 2013 06:39 PM

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Fragile is neither Endurance, nor Strength. Fragile is mainly mentally.
So what's that slogan supposed to mean?
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Indeed, talking about efficiency, why the buggers have not all soldiers been replaced with automatic machinery long ago? Soldiers are nothing compared to a well build robot, yet we'd rather send 10000 to their death, than lose a couple of billions in expensive armory. Why? Because the world isn't as black and white as "what's most efficient".
Well built robot? From which movie? Because that's how the current terminators look like:



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posted January 24, 2013 06:51 PM

Stop dating 440 lbs women and you will change your mind.
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Seraphim
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posted January 24, 2013 07:00 PM

http://conservativepapers.com/news/2012/01/30/mk-katz-women-harmed-by-service-in-combat-units/

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The head of the National Union, MK Yaakov Katz (Ketzaleh), launched a counterattack against politicians who he says want to push religious men out of the IDF, and replace them with women. MK Katz presented the Knesset with recent research conducted by the IDF with the U.S. military that shows women in combat units have much higher rates of injury and suffer much more serious injuries than men.


Israeli Women Soldiers
“A study conducted by the Chief Medical Officer in July 2011 together with the U.S. military showed that women who undergo the same things that men undergo in artillery units, in Karakal and the antiaircraft array are physically hurt four times more than the men, and the seriousness of their injuries is 4 to 10 times greater,” said Katz.


MK Katz hinted that the military is trying to cover up the added danger that women are exposed to in the combat units. “When a woman is hurt this way, when she is discharged from the army – she is unable to obtain [her medical] files,” he said. “You should look into this. Why is it that a woman who is discharged from the army because of one of these things – the files suddenly disappear?”

Ketzaleh, who served in an elite IDF unit and was badly injured in the Yom Kippur War, summed up his emotional speech by saying: “And I am telling Major General Barbivai and the Chief of Staff, an effort must be made — with care and love – to take the men of Israel, who are hareidi and religious, and put them in the army and not to try and replace them with women.”

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GunFred
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posted January 24, 2013 08:50 PM

I am not sure what the 12 year old me have no clue about. Is it that I do not know that american women are coward nymphos? You comment made it appear that you know that the female soldiers of your great USA almost all join the army to have sex with their fellow soldiers. If what you say is true then it is not you or your comment that is disgusting. It is your culture that is disgusting. And about those freaky parties, are you sure they were not gangrapes?
New Statistics on Military Rape and Reporting
The Pentagon Is Camouflaging the Truth About Rape in the Military
Why rapists in military get away with it

I am well aware of that the army is controlled by the government which in turn is puppeteered by the über rich. But if your boss tells you to steal money then you are still a thief. The army is just as guilty as the government for letting the wars happen and even enforcing them.
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posted January 24, 2013 09:15 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 21:19, 24 Jan 2013.

The presence of women in the army has always been very problematic for the discipline, what's so surprising about it? Raping is bad? Hell it is! Raping in the army is unexpected? Not at all. And you can't just accuse the rapists, their guilt notwithstanding - waving a piece of meat in front of a hungry dog is a bad idea by default. It's just how it is, like it or not.
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. In principle it's just further development of something as simple as remote controlled toys.
No, it's not. A really effective "robot" will require a very advanced AI and we're nowhere near creating something like that.
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Currently robots works very efficiently at a single task, much better than humans, just look at factories, the biggest task is to program a sufficient intelligence.
Do you realise what is the difference between performing a number of pre-programmed moves on the assembly line and making decisions? The robots in the factories do not think - actually no machine built so far can really think.
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That's why we still need humans to input the task needed, but the human body is absolutely inferior otherwise. Just as a simple example, imagine you're tasked with moving some very heavy stuff. Are you going to move it one piece at a time, or are you going to use a fork lift? Our brains are amazing, our bodies are pathetic in compare, yet a soldier is supposed to be a single minded killing machine, who follows the generals order.
That's very simplistic. Nobody can accuse the military types of being incredibly smart but even the regular soldier is still a human and can think creatively at least to an extent, adapt to the situation, change his behaviour accordingly and find alternative approaches. The machines can't do that (yet). Ultimately it's never been really important how tough you are if you get outsmarted and outmanoeuvred.
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The fragile part... when someone's fragile, it usually means one of two things, physically or mentally. Physically describes how much stress is required before injury, mentally is how much stress before giving up. I don't see how it has anything to do with how much weight you can lift.
The question is what does all this have to do with the general physical inferiority of the women compared to men? And by the way being better at lifting heavy stuff, running for a long time, training in general DOES help you to last longer.

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posted January 24, 2013 09:29 PM

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The presence of women in the army has always been very problematic for the discipline, what's so surprising about it? Raping is bad? Hell it is! Raping in the army is unexpected? Not at all. And you can't just accuse the rapists, their guilt notwithstanding - waving a piece of meat in front of a hungry dog is a bad idea by default. It's just how it is, like it or not


Any dog that is dangerous should be chained to a doghouse, same goes for men but instead of a chain to a doghouse we lock them up in prison. Potential rapists and war criminal have nothing to do in a professional army to begin with. Would you put your life in the hands of someone who would not mind humiliating and refuse a persons right to its own body? Would you trust these men with the lives of countless of innocent civilians?
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Zenofex
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posted January 24, 2013 09:40 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 21:41, 24 Jan 2013.

You're a pretty romantic personality. Soldiers have always treated women this way. An army conquers a town - first thing after clearing the resistance is to start pillaging the riches and raping the women. An army occupies enemy territory - the women there who fail to evacuate are at the soldiers' mercy. An army returns from war - the soldiers' first job is to have sex with their wives/girlfriends or any female in the vicinity. And that's not medieval stuff, it's the military throughout the ages, including now. A combo between abstinence, risk exposure and the general hardship of the army life - what do you expect? Gentlemen?

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posted January 24, 2013 09:51 PM
Edited by GunFred at 21:53, 24 Jan 2013.

True but some armies had soldiers wives coming along or prostitutes and were forbidden from pillaging. And I would not care if the US army or any other army for that matter employed prostitutes. But when someone claims that his highly trained professional and partriotic army is out in the world fighting terrorists and spreading democracy and peace while not even being able to keep their pants on it is a serious disgrace.

You would expect better from a country whose war supporters go on and on about sexual morality.
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friendofgunnar
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posted January 24, 2013 10:42 PM

...strange that I should come down as a hyper-conservative but I think all women should be evicted from the military except for the professional grade techs.  There's a variety of reasons, some of which I've seen in this thread.

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posted January 24, 2013 11:00 PM

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second that notion. they have no place in the military, in any military. they would be better at espionage(sp?). they way they can manipulate men, they would be naturals as spies. you take the "impress the female for ***** points" away, you take away the distractions of someone you'd like to copulate with, and your mind focuses on the task at hand. besides, they get no REAL respect anyway, not in the military. with all of these politically correct ideas with complicated results, people forget basics- sexual attraction. being distracted by sexual thoughts can be deadly in the wrong profession. even IF women pulled their weight, and weren't trying to get pregnant every time the unit had to deploy simply to get out of going to a dangerous land, you would still have to contend with other males for their approval. it's the way humans work.

So how about homosexuals?
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posted January 24, 2013 11:16 PM

Couple of people here look like fools to me. If the military isn't something for half of humanity - then to hell with the military. Right? Because you cannot have an organization that is forbidden for a gender. Clearly unconstitutional.

Now, while thinking about that, you might take the time and check the army of Israel.

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Seraphim
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posted January 24, 2013 11:18 PM
Edited by Seraphim at 23:24, 24 Jan 2013.

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second that notion. they have no place in the military, in any military.



You sound like those grumpy sexist mujahedeen from Afghanistan.
Women can have a place in the military, especially drone control units.
I bet that they could operate a drone unit. They could do the loading and unloading of weapons in aircraft carriers and so on.
Women could also be good jet pilots because of their small bodies. The smaller the body, the lower the G. Women could also work at the artillery units.

Otherwise, I agree. Women should not be in the frontlines



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with all of these politically correct ideas with complicated results, people forget basics- sexual attraction. being distracted by sexual thoughts can be deadly in the wrong profession.


What about gays?
The military must be straight only then, which the US military is not. They removed the "Dont ask,dont tell". Counter-productive?
If anyone of you was in the military, you would not even go on the lines of "Personal emotions should not get in the way" type of speech.
Really, you honestly expect people in the frontlines have nothing but buttsex to think about?
Whether one is gay or a women or whatnot plays no role in the front lines. This is not some snowing school play ground. I made my point.



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posted January 24, 2013 11:21 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 23:29, 24 Jan 2013.

Every army needs cannon fodder.

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GunFred
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posted January 24, 2013 11:21 PM

Just what part was anti-american propaganda? Where did I lie to make america appear bad? Is it the military rape part, because I believe the sources were american and I am sure we could both take a better look on this and then decide what is true and false. And besides, you are the anti american here who claims american women are loose. Believing that all humans are borned equals does not make me a knight in shining armor, it makes me a decent moral person. Pigs like you should just befriend the very talibans you once fought because you got a lot in common. I admit that I have never been in a romantic relationship my ENTIRE life and not even had a single little crush. In fact, most of my life, I have not been on good terms with women. The latter half of my life I have had a neutral stance at best towards women so me putting vaginas on a pedestal is clearly not the issue here. I have a mother and a little sister and I know they are people just like me and I will not stand for them being mistreated because they are women. Your respect for women is very disgusting and I would tell you that you deserve the same treatment you give them. But I will not tell you that because a beast like you would enjoy being treated as a sexslave and sandwich maker by women.

My schools never taught me political correctness and it did not have to because it is natural in Sweden and I take great pride in it. And what in gods name is wrong with political correctness?! It is called "correctness" for a reason. Do you mistreat a guy because he wears different clothings? No you do not. Do you pay a woman less despite her doing her job equal to any man? Unfortunatly some do despite it being unfair.
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posted January 25, 2013 03:05 AM

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Women are not as fragile as you think.  In fact they are able to tolerate pain more effectively then males.
Not sure where you're getting your information from but there are studies which say exactly the opposite, on top of the everyday impression that anyone can get. Yes, some women are stronger and tougher than some men but it is a proven fact that generally men are physically stronger and perform physically demanding tasks better. A very simple way to make a comparison is to check the results per gender of athletics competitions like the Olympics.

The gender equalization could become a real nonsense sometimes. Yeah, sure, if the women want to fight - let them. If they can prove that they can fare no worse than men during a real combat situation - all's fine. But intentionally playing games with the efficiency of your armed forces just for the sake of some misunderstood equal rights concept is both dumb and dangerous. Among other things, there's a naturally evolved reason why women are kept out of the battlefield - their is the main responsibility to restore the population after the war ends, i.e., cynical or not, on a large scale men are more expendable.


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posted January 25, 2013 03:10 AM
Edited by Vindicator at 03:10, 25 Jan 2013.

Isn't it obvious that if they're not as effective at that position, the men will get it? That's like that for men too; if one guy is better than the other, he will get the spot. In fact, that's true for everything. What annoys women (at least, I think) is not the fact that men get these spots over them, but that they aren't even able to try to reach that spot. And, it makes sense, no? Let everyone come; if they aren't qualified for the position, don't put them in it, gender regardless. Simple as that.
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Zenofex
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posted January 25, 2013 07:18 AM

Yeah, it might work if the women are kept in separate units, never contact with men and in essence are an army inside the army. For a number of reasons which anyone can figure out, that can't happen.

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posted January 25, 2013 07:21 AM

There's regulations against fraternization, and soldiers aren't little boys and girls who giggle at the very sight of one-another.
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