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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Are sports a civil right for students?
Thread: Are sports a civil right for students?
Elodin
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posted January 25, 2013 07:10 AM

Are sports a civil right for students?

Well, as a lame lame duck president Obama is indeed making many sweeping changes in America via his appointments to various positions. Unelected bureaucrats.

According to the Obama administration, sports are a civil right for students. Schools must now have as many sports programs for the "disabled" as they have for "normal" students.  Personally, I believe this will spell the end of sports in schools as schools simply can't finance such things.

Most public schools in the US have various sports programs such as football for high/middle/sometimes elementary school, boys basketball and girls basketball for high/middle school, boys and girls track and field for high/middle school, maybe tennis, soccer, volley ball, ect.  It is not within the realm of feasibility to spend as much money for "disabled" students as is spent for the able-bodied.  

Most schools are going to have to drop all sports programs in order not to "discriminate" against the blind, lame, ect.

Do you agree or disagree that sports are a civil right and that schools must spend an equal amount on sports for the handicapped as they spend on sports for the "normal" students?

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Breaking new ground, the U.S. Education Department is telling schools they must include students with disabilities in sports programs or provide equal alternative options. The directive, reminiscent of the Title IX expansion of athletic opportunities for women, could bring sweeping changes to school budgets and locker rooms for years to come.


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Salamandre
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posted January 25, 2013 07:20 AM

What next? retarded mongoloids being taught to recite Shakespeare by heart because culture is a civil right?
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blizzardboy
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posted January 25, 2013 07:23 AM

They'll be able to afford it. There's always more music programs to cut.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 25, 2013 07:24 AM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 07:27, 25 Jan 2013.

Who needs music when you can kick a ball. Oh wait, you Americans have the handicapped version of football, where you 'carry' it and only kick it when it seems convenient to do so.

Besides Elodin, a country is only as strong as its weakest link.
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Ghost
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posted January 25, 2013 07:31 AM

Funny USA! Ok sports should be mandatory in school. Young allegedly showed to drink a lot of milk and go exercise. If they have not done, they are the fat and high fracture risk category. Later, they are elderly, they do not know anything about that walking is fitness. Return the milk drinking time.
And we are "middle-aged", nice to watch the beautiful and handsome young walk you to create your legs to sit on. We do not want fat man army, etc.. Simple and honest!

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JollyJoker
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posted January 25, 2013 08:40 AM

Simply the price of trying to make a lofty constitution to be more than just a couple of words. ALL decisions to ENACT non-discrimination rights - as opposed to having those rights only in the books but not in real life - COST MONEY, somewhere, somehow. Whether it's toilets for the handicapped, facilities for women in the military, equal salaries for equal work, society has to pay the costs that come with it.

Clearly, since the OP here is such a fan of "donations", willingly made by real Christians, I'm sure, since the handicapped are a traditional field of donations for the Christian population, the schools won't have any problem to get the necessary money, since all Christian organizations will do everything possible to raise the necessary funds for the handicapped, right?

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Warmonger
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posted January 25, 2013 09:14 AM

Obesity is threated as a kind of disability, right? This will make all the fatties do sports that suit them which can only be good.

A percentage of students without some vital bodyparts, blind or deaf is nothing compared to obese ones.
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master_learn
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posted January 25, 2013 09:35 AM

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It is not within the realm of feasibility to spend as much money for "disabled" students as is spent for the able-bodied.  

Do you agree or disagree that sports are a civil right and that schools must spend an equal amount on sports for the handicapped as they spend on sports for the "normal" students?


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WASHINGTON (AP) — Breaking new ground, the U.S. Education Department is telling schools they must include students with disabilities in sports programs or provide equal alternative options. The directive, reminiscent of the Title IX expansion of athletic opportunities for women, could bring sweeping changes to school budgets and locker rooms for years to come.



Well,in the quote part you provided is written that the schools just include the disabled and the equal part concerns ONLY the alternatives,not the sports.
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xerox
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posted January 25, 2013 12:02 PM

Can't the schools decide if they want to have sport's programmes themselves?

Kids in the US have the right to choose school, right?
So if a kid wants to go to school with a sport's programmes, then he or she could just choose such a school.

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gnomes2169
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posted January 25, 2013 05:37 PM

This... this really doesn't make sense, actually. I mean, it's nice of the guy to require this stuff, but public school funding is poor enough as it is, and there are multitudes of programs (sports or otherwise) for disabled peoples that are run privately. I don't really see what kind of impact or importance this has besides negatively impacting schools.

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blizzardboy
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posted January 25, 2013 07:18 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:24, 25 Jan 2013.

@Xerox:

Not really. Children in a certain location are all automatically sent to the same public school in that area. You can appeal to send them to another public school, but you've got to have some kind of reason for it and parents can very often be declined the request. Otherwise you have to look at a private or charter school. The element of competition and choice in the US public school system is woefully marginalized. It's all very central-planned and inflexible.
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Corribus
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posted January 25, 2013 07:57 PM

Public education in the US is a mess.  A lot of this is due to federal meddling - case in point.  Public education should be managed at state level or local level.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 25, 2013 08:00 PM

Come now, Corribus.  That isn't true.  We both know that Michelle Obama is totally qualified to dictate what food should be served in school cafeterias.  
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gnomes2169
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posted January 25, 2013 08:14 PM

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Come now, Corribus.  That isn't true.  We both know that Michelle Obama is totally qualified to dictate what food should be served in school cafeterias.  

Better than congress, at the very least.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted January 25, 2013 08:16 PM

True.
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Ghost
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posted January 25, 2013 08:27 PM

Ok Finland for



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xerox
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posted January 25, 2013 10:30 PM
Edited by xerox at 22:36, 25 Jan 2013.

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Not really. Children in a certain location are all automatically sent to the same public school in that area. You can appeal to send them to another public school, but you've got to have some kind of reason for it and parents can very often be declined the request. Otherwise you have to look at a private or charter school. The element of competition and choice in the US public school system is woefully marginalized. It's all very central-planned and inflexible.


Wow, that really surprises me. This is how it works in Sweden: you have public schools and you have private schools. Thing is, the private schools are funded by taxes aswell. All schools get a set amount of tax money for each kid. More kids means more profit for the private schools (public ones are always non-profit but suck at handling budgets because they can't go broke). Them being tax-funded also means that they're required to provide free school lunches or restaurant checks. There's diversity, there's competition and you're literally free to choose any school you like.

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smithey
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posted January 26, 2013 01:17 AM
Edited by smithey at 01:19, 26 Jan 2013.

First of all nowhere does it say something retarded like let's have blind kids play on a football team, nor does it say schools must spend the same amount of money on both disabled and regular kids, it only says accommodate disabled people (blind kid in wrestling - change was that his rival must be in a constant contact) and let them participate in something thats actually a really rewarding experience (coming from someone who played b-ball for his school)... It takes into account everybody who is less lucky than us, whether its a kid who was born blind or an ex-marine who lost his leg in combat and is know getting his degree. And yes they all deserve a chance, if we wash our hands off them, then let's go Sparta on everyone and kill off the old, the weak and the dumb (leaving less than 30% of the population alive)

USA education system has so many flaws and it's beyond ridiculous that this is what you have an issue with, Elodin, its obscene how much time you spend in the "gutter" only so you can crap on democrats in the most blind manner one can imagine, I say in a blind manner simply coz you're blind to the fact that there really isnt that much difference between the democrats and the republicans, and this law just like many others isnt a democratic nor a republican creation, if you think otherwise you dont really understand how one gets the law to pass...
Get your head out of the sand man and wake the hell up, republicans and democrats both dance to the same tune which is dictated by the corporations, money is the name of the game and it doesnt really matter whether the "man in charge" is a republican or a democrat... that's just details

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posted January 27, 2013 03:49 PM

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Who needs music when you can kick a ball. Oh wait, you Americans have the handicapped version of football, where you 'carry' it and only kick it when it seems convenient to do so.

Besides Elodin, a country is only as strong as its weakest link.


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JoonasTo
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posted January 27, 2013 03:56 PM

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let's go Sparta on everyone and kill off the old, the weak and the dumb (leaving less than 30% of the population alive)

I am in support of this statement. All hail richard.
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