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eliogabalus
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posted March 19, 2002 03:21 PM |
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Player2 believes that winning is not necessarily the most important aspect of the game.
Yawacko, I think you are wrong relating the type of rules/restriction you like to the lust for victory/fear of losing. It's just another way to play heroes. If you take bad losers as an indication that one put too much emphasis on winning, then I can say from my experience that they come from both types of players equally.
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pandora
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Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted March 19, 2002 04:23 PM |
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I have never heard Yawacko say "Don't play this person because he doesn't play the way i like" I have heard people say, what's this guy like to play? ad he he knows the player to be one who played with with H&R etc, he will say so. There is nothing wrong in that - he has never said so and so is not worth playing, never play this person etc he just says what game style they enjoy.
By creating 2 groups and discussing in the manner he chose was just the simplest way to illustrate what he was talking about. One of Yawacko's favorite people to play is Antal , and he has said so often. Proof that he doesn't refuse to play anyone who doesn't prefer his style - further proof that he doesn't tell all not to play anyone who uses total tactics as he often tells people how much fun he has in games with many who use total tactics .
so Mocara for you to close mindedly look at what he's saying and figure out the best interpretation to flame is very "predictable of you" *Ding*
Yawacko's post not inflammatory, and not meant at all in the way you portray. Its amusing tho, that you label him a fool for what? Speaking of things that he is not an expert on? Then you too Mocara are a huge fool - because you clearly are clueless as to what you're talking about as well. The player that told me i should play 7 lakes? Yawacko. The player that said to me that no rules is a more fun way to play random maps? Yawacko.
What he meant in your qoute Eliogablala, is not quite how you're taking it it. I'll use games i've played as an example. I don't like implosion spell much, i just find it can be pretty cheezy - so i don't use it. I've had games where clearly i need it, and victory is surely mine if i use, but i'll look for other tactics in battle to try to win, and if i lose, then that's cool with me. On an ironic note, this drives Yawacko crazy when he watches me play  But there are many times in games where i've seen that hey - if i use H&R right here i can even up force and have a good shot at the game, but i won't, i'll look to find another way, and if i lose then i lose. Many players, especially those who play a total tactics style can't fathom why i'd do that when a win is there - that's the point.
But again, Moc, you're off the mark looking at Yawacko's groupings as anything more than a way to describe what he was talking about. For ages on the board players have been described as Rules players and No-Rulers its just an easy way to illustrate who you're talking about. I've heard you describe players in these groupings as well. YOU FOOL!!!! 
If someone you know asks you about a player, and you know that person plays hard-core no rules, and the player they are asking about enjoys playing with rules - do you not answer them? Be honest.
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted March 19, 2002 05:04 PM |
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player 1 = ruthless
player 2 = wuss
which one's the tosser? I don't know (?)
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted March 19, 2002 05:13 PM |
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I think sometimes people come to the board actually looking to discuss something, but in no time others feel they must inject the flaming.
Mocara before you judge Yawacko play him, you know as little about his play as say he knows about your game.
I was interested to hear replies from people and actually discuss the points of view without reverting to the same old everything degenerates to here.
Seems that can't happen.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 05:21 PM |
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Well .. besides the fact if I agree of disagree, these threads make nice reading material!@
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woods
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 06:43 PM |
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Edited By: woods on 19 Mar 2002
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dont miss the reasons...
@yawacko: u want to warn type 2 not to play type 1 ?
mb i see ur intention - but sorry, pls get the
ball -> rulemakers have to be warned ??
no ! they've changed the game..... ;-)
@andi: it takes a while for me to get it...
u dont want to install rules - u want to install
ur moralty ! sorry, germans are unsuitable for
that ...
@jandifool: "...u loose me and i think many others..."
cool down, hehe
there a still a bunch of 'typeones' who like
his postings...
@lews: nice match ! :-)
@eliogabalus: i personally think that type2 players are
the better whiners - why?... they have much
more reasons ! ;-)
@hexa: right !...cant agree more ...
-woods
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yawacko
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 19, 2002 06:44 PM |
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I had to laugh so hard when read Mocaras post about my playing ability. I watched a game the Mocara played with my wife on hourglass, he died week 3 day 7. The interesting part of the game was not the fact that he lost, but the fact that in 3 weeks the above ground looked completely untouched. So one would assume he spent the 3 weeks in the underground. However he had never taken his utopia, battle spot(joiner area) or diplo quest. It makes you wonder what he really did for 3 weeks, doesn't it? Sorry Pandora, I don't wish to play mocara, I would rather have a challenge, playing him would be like playing the computer at 80*.
so there
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 07:11 PM |
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lol woods, what wacko said about moc goes for you too...you need to learn how to play before judge that
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sos
Known Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 07:18 PM |
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Its sad to watch a potentially nice and relaxing topic turn into a stupid thing like this. Can't people understand that there is no better or worse player types - play whoever you like as long as you have fun.
just my 2 cents
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jondifool
Promising
Adventuring Hero
extinct but alive!
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posted March 19, 2002 08:18 PM |
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to Woods who says while quoting me for saying ..
@jandifool: "...u loose me and i think many others..."
cool down, hehe
there a still a bunch of 'typeones' who like
his postings...
And I might be a type 1 too! you don't know because I newer said, but the point is that his reasoning gets lost in flaming , making the case harder to follow and with that to agree with. You could easyly be type 1 and don't like that kind of postings.
with regards
Jondifool
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lews_therin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 10:26 PM |
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Noone answered the question that I have asked ... well, not much time, but many many posts ago. Here it is again, for a second try:
Can you, or anyone else, explain me, why you rather get killed by random map elements than by a tactic? Itīs hard for me to understand this point of view. People say that they hate playing the game for hours and then losing to something sneaky. I agree that there are more enjoyable things in life. But I find it much worse to play for hours in a game that I have already lost on week 1 day 1.
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 11:33 PM |
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Lews, I am mostly speakin for myself, and guessing for others, but I think if someone doesnt want to lose to something sneaky..they refer to something that takes a long time to achieve..where basically u are stuck in the game for hours and not too much you can do.
cause usually i give congrats if someone gets me with a sneaky move...and curse when i get a bad random map that gets me..or any map that gets me
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 11:38 PM |
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oops, forgot to add that... it is sweet to win when a map has you set to lose by luck, or when you find a counter to someones sneaky tactic.
oh yeah...and Mocara right, its funner to change topic of a board
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted March 19, 2002 11:47 PM |
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its simple, if i loose a good and fair game i still had fun, if i loose a game to wraith bombs or hit and run and didnt get a fight i had no fun
i have no fun on the receiving end, and no fun dropping implo on someone and running and winning with it, coz i ask myself: was that cool?
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Pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted March 20, 2002 12:02 AM |
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I think part or it is that those of us who play without certain tactics do no ban every tactic in the game. So while you may feel its a strategic hinderance - it also poses a new challenge of overcoming odds stacked against you using different tactics.
I don't look at my layout on a map and think damn, map beat me - i think oh crap, what am i gonna do to win. Just because i don't enjoy hit and run does not mean that there are no other options left. Maybe it's even more difficult for me to pull out a win, but i find it more gratifying if i can do it And if i can't dig myself out of it and win without H&R then i just couldn't do it, no worries, i had a fun game with a friend i know i'll have my chance for revenge with
I personally don't use a lot of rules, some do have many, my only rule is no hit and run - and that's just cuz it's my preference. I'm not saying i would never play a game with it either, i've wanted a no rules game just to see how i fare (on random tho, not on hg3 and the like) F.Y.I also, i have never once stated in a game "no wraith bomb"
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 20, 2002 01:30 AM |
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chickening
Yawacko, you are a nice guy. What would you expect from Mocara playing the worst map out here? He surely posted some msg here between and during his turns.
After all, I was host in the game you played vs Jarcik. You won that game only because you moved your main to the middle with all troops. >Watching the game prooved me how not creative players can win against masters.
Jarcik played wonderfull that game. His moves ane plans were 100% more creative than your basic ans simple strategy( take mines, the 2 towns, upgrade and straight to the middle) You won that game because you caught Jarcik in the middle when wearing shackless. He had only 1 black for speed.
You lucky overated.
Of course, this is my opinion, but it came out because you said Mocara= comp at 80%. Play him on a good map without rules, and you will see if something remains untouched when you go to the loss link.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 20, 2002 01:46 AM |
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Same for Andy. Don't say people they have to play better to have to post here.
We played both in allied game. You are a good basic player. You clean carefully your "land" before going to middle. But you had no idea how to counter Pandora's jeditte armed with powerfull relic. Your best move in that game was to give me your red dragons after I broke your guards.And my guards too btw...
Of course, you'd say dishonorable move, but we won. Without it we would report a loss. I know how you play. Slow.
Pandora and JB surprised me in the game I was allied to them. They rock!
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted March 20, 2002 01:57 AM |
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lol u suck salamandre, yeah you did great with your speed boots...
when you wanted my troops i should have told you to get lost, and not doing to my friends what they never would have done to me,even if i have hack with 50 attack and recanters...and report a loss with some honor left...
i play 2on2 for fun, not for that damn winning button, when will guys like u understand that, i played with pan and jb with whom i played all my 2on2s that time, and for a idiot like you i ruined their game, i sucked that game that is true.
and another thing: masters dont walk around with a black not knowing what artis other player has
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pandora
Honorable
Legendary Hero
The Chosen One
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posted March 20, 2002 02:09 AM |
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blah
I don't remember in the game yawacko saying ' Woohoo i am the grand master!!!!" lol it was a game, jarcik had 1 black and got shackled, its just part of homm right? I don't see how it makes him less of a player, in any case, Jarcik attacked Wacko, trying for a hit and run home - and met shackles, his mistake - no?
This stuff about who is better blabla is crap, in my game with Mocara he was busy working, playing a blind map he hadn't even downloaded and playing on 2 min - so yeah he didn't do so great. It was a fun game not serious play.
On the other hand, i can say with much better authority that Yawacko is a great player, i've seen games he has played and done things i'd have never thought of to win. Of course, him being my husband may make you think i'm only being biased -but i'm not. In a recent random with Midnight Wraith, which was very open and lots of interaction, they had a big battle which left both of them nearly wiped out - and midnight building up double production. I thought Yawacko should just conceed against double, but yawacko wouldnt and instead went for guild and got tp then hunted for conservatories to give him an edge back that game. It was a great game i thought If anyone thinks i'm a decent player then they can't trash on him, cuz he taught me everything i know about the game.
And as for that 2v2 Sal... what i found crappy about it was that i thought we were playing no combine.. so seeing you combined screwed us pretty bad.
No rules, 1000 rules, no matter as long as everyone understands the playing field its all good! Just have a good time
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted March 20, 2002 02:30 AM |
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Pan, I didnt started that game thinking to combine with Andi. It' was just a solution to counter Jeditte.I dont think there are other ways to fight Jeditte on close maps where he has a lot of time to boost himself. But for combine thing I HAD to broke both garissons, because Andi still cleaning some ore and crap behind zombies.And all this before you come in middle. Well, for starting town-Tower, was not so bad.
What I hate is this "idea" that we should report a loss with some honor left. The honor comes to the one who survive in a game. Not important how he did it unless he's cheating.
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