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Leon
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posted February 14, 2013 03:05 PM |
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Best Level 5 Creature ?
I looked for a thread on lvl 5 best creature , I didn't find one .
So i thought I will ask you : whats your favorite lvl 5 creature ? and which one you think is the strongest ?
To me : favorite & strongest : two words : MIGHTY GORGON 
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted February 14, 2013 04:07 PM |
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And here it is.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 14, 2013 04:09 PM |
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Leon, I suggest reading this sticked thread, it has a lot of good threads linked (like Best X creature) 
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Star_King
Known Hero
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posted February 15, 2013 05:44 AM |
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I'll answer anyways for the hell of it.
Favorite: Thunderbird
Best: Mighty Gorgon
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 15, 2013 10:41 AM |
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Use the other topic for discussing about best level 5 creature, and let this one die...
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Leon
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 15, 2013 01:12 PM |
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Quote:
Leon, I suggest reading [url=http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=13673]this sticked thread[/url], it has a lot of good threads linked (like Best X creature)
Thank you ! I will write my opinion there ! 
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Yaaroslav
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 18, 2013 01:44 PM |
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I like ghosts. It makes me win in the short period )))
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KARA
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 05, 2013 03:24 AM |
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted April 05, 2013 06:34 AM |
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Mighty Gorgons although I have a soft spot for Minos.
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted July 07, 2013 09:45 PM |
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favorite: mighty moos
strongest: mighty moos
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Dio777
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 20, 2013 08:45 PM |
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Strongest: Mighty Gorgons
Favorite: Kings and Thunderbirds
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Terminator775
Hired Hero
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posted August 20, 2013 08:53 PM |
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Weakest lvl 5 creature for me is: Roc and conflux I think that lvl 5 in that town is magma elemental
Best lvl 5 creature: Mighty gorgons ofc, but Dungeon too (my profile pic )
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Oliver
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 06, 2013 06:28 PM |
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Mighty Gorgons with their killing 7th level creatures "spell" obviously.
Minotaurs have really good damage, I think. Not to much Hp, right ?
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted September 18, 2013 11:48 PM |
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In any 1 vs 1 situation i would vote on.....Trolls! because of regeneration ^-^
But in any other situation, i like the might gorgons most
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted September 19, 2013 12:44 AM |
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markmasters said:
In any 1 vs 1 situation i would vote on.....Trolls! because of regeneration ^-^
But in any other situation, i like the might gorgons most
everyone loves the moos LOL.... and for good reason anyway: they look awesome and they're level 7 killing machines 
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted September 20, 2013 01:42 PM |
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markmasters said:
In any 1 vs 1 situation i would vote on.....Trolls! because of regeneration ^-^
I can why you'd think that, and you're in general correct. It's worth to notice however that the troll only regenerates when it has a turn, at lower speed the opponent can get two strikes in before it's the troll's turn to act. If the opponent gets Moral, the troll is likely to fall to most faster level 5 units. In fact, if the troll attacks a waiting opponent, it gets retaliated upon, then attacked twice, for 3 attacks, which means it'd lose to most opponents. Therefore it'd in most cases be a stalemate, neither site wishes to attack, because it'd lead to defeat.
But if there's no moral, only the Minotaur King defeats the troll in 1 unit vs. 1 unit (how unrealistic a setup that may be) on neutral ground, given the troll doesn't have to be first to attack.
MK uses speed advantage to get favorable position (via wait), then uses wait, troll uses defensive stance (better than move/skip turn), Minotaur King attacks twice, then deals in average exactly 40 damage, which is the trolls hit points.
I am not aware what kind of function choses a value in the base damage range. E.g. if it was die throws, the chance of hitting average would be higher, but it could also be any number in the range with equal chance, similar to a single dice throw.
If it's similar to a single dice throw, then the Minotaur King has to hit one of the following to win in the first round:
12, 20 (1 way)
13, 19/20 (2 ways)
14, 18-20 (3 ways)
15, 17-20 (4 ways)
16, 16-20 (5 ways)
17, 15-20 (6 ways)
18, 14-20 (7 ways)
19, 13-20 (8 ways)
20, 12-20 (9 ways)
The reversed case is already included, so the total number of ways are sum(1,9) (or 9 times the average of the sum) = 9 * (1 + 9) / 2 = 45. The total amount of possible things that can happen is 9 * 9 = 81. Therefore the chance of the MK winning in any given round before any attack is 45 / 81 ~ 55% chance.
If the troll only hit average damage it'd needs 5 rounds to defeat the Minotaur King, but will in general require 4 - 6 rounds. If one assumes all damage rolls, 10 - 15 are with equal probability (single dice throw), the troll requires 6 hits only if it hits minimum damage every time, it requires 4 hits to take down the MK if it hits between range 13-15, or sufficiently compensates lower value hits with higher value hits, i.e. if it hits 12, then 14 or 15.
Therefore the troll will most likely require 4-5 rounds to take down the MK. Since the troll cannot allow itself to attack the MK, if it uses wait, the troll has no other option than to defend on its turn, get attacked twice (retaliating twice), then regenerate and attack, and gets retaliated upon. After these first attacks (round 1, 45% chance to survive), the MK has to attack a second time, and if the troll survives, the troll will have landed 4 hits and will have it turns for landing the final the final hit.
Under those circumstances, the Troll will win if the Minotaur King doesn't take it down in the first 2 rounds. That means the chance of the troll winning is 1 - (.55 [MK wins first round] + .45*.55 [MK doesn't win first round, but wins in the second one]) = 1 / 5.
On the other hand, after the first round, if the Troll in stead of attacking (which leads it to have a lower defense), decides to go into defensive stance again, the MK ought to choose wait to get two attacks in, the troll once again have to choose defensive stance (or get attacked 3 times), and then the result will be the same, the MK attacks twice, gets 2 retaliations, and the troll will survive with 45% chance, and then it's the troll turns, and it can finish off the MK. This way is even safer for the troll, if I'm not mistaken.
Finally there's the low risk of the troll requiring 6 hits to finish off the MK. This happens with (1/5) to the power of 6 chance, which is so low that after subtracting it from .2 you still get 1 / 5.
In other words, 1 unit vs. 1 unit, the troll stalemates most other level 5 units, but if the opponent has to attack, the troll has the upper hand against most if no moral and on neutral ground, except for the MK, which it'll lose against 4 / 5 times.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 20, 2013 04:27 PM |
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monere said:
markmasters said:
In any 1 vs 1 situation i would vote on.....Trolls! because of regeneration ^-^
But in any other situation, i like the might gorgons most
everyone loves the moos LOL.... and for good reason anyway: they look awesome and they're level 7 killing machines
Gorgons will forever be the best lvl 5 creature, so badass 
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted September 21, 2013 06:24 PM |
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I, btw. prefer Pit Lords, not for their stats, but for their ability.
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