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artu
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posted April 25, 2013 09:13 PM |
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Continue to spout your anti-American crap all you want. America is NOT making up lies and going around the world invading nations to steal their oil. You've listened to too many delusional liberal freaks. America is not the world's arch-villan.
Unfortunately the far left hates America just like the jihadists do and want to see America destroyed. And thus they always side with the jihadists and vilify America.
Well, there's a tiny little problem with that logic. It's NOT a leftist who says it's all about oil, it's your conservative guy. The level of denial you're capable of...
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And the moronic president already decided to try them in civilian court as civilians instead of holding them as enemy combatants.
That's because they are civilians under US law. You're not allowed to change that on a whim because what they did was a big deal. It shouldn't even be a decision. A president that did otherwise would (in theory) be overstepping their powers.
It's not about principles to him, it's about sides. If a Republican president did the same thing he wouldn't even mention it.
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posted April 26, 2013 08:24 PM |
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Turns out Mommy is an aspiring jihadist too. Russia had asked the FBI twice to investigate the 26 year old bomber. Looks like intelligence made a number of mistakes, likely due to political correctness.
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The mother of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects was herself on a federal terrorism database some 18 months before the attack, according to The Associated Press.
Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, who had reportedly become more radical in her Muslim faith around the same time as her son, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was added to the classified intelligence database known by the acronym TIDE at the CIA's request.
The move was made after Russia told the CIA the mother and son were religious militants preparing to travel to Russia, the AP reported. It has already been widely reported that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the 26-year-old suspect who died after a shootout with police in Massachusetts a week ago, was on the list.
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Well, there's a tiny little problem with that logic. It's NOT a leftist who says it's all about oil, it's your conservative guy. The level of denial you're capable of...
Sadly you chose to continue to make false statments about O'Reily's position. Oh well, anybody can look up a few posts where I quoted O'Reily's response to the extreme leftist Letterman and see you are not telling the truth.
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That's because they are civilians under US law. You're not allowed to change that on a whim because what they did was a big deal. It shouldn't even be a decision. A president that did otherwise would (in theory) be overstepping their powers.
We are at war with radical Islam. The bombers were/are members of that faction. Enemy combatant. Jihadists should not be treated like a common purse snatcher or shop lifter.
Obama is also trying the jihadist Army officer that committed mass murder of enlisted personnel while they were in a training room at Fort Hood in Texas as "work place violence" instead of as an act of terror. He screamed "God is great" while murdering the unarmed trainees. Work place violence? Give me a freakin' break.
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posted April 26, 2013 08:31 PM |
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Following a certain logic you are repeating over and over, a religious guy killing in the name of religion is immediately considered as non religious. I don't see any reason to not consider him a simple criminal with the rights any criminal still has, see having lawyer, defending and getting a fair sentence. Guantanamo is a shame of place, people (no matter what they did or you are told they did) are held there without judgment and beyond any laws. And you dare to tell America is NOT creating terrorism?
It is the only thing it does.
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posted April 26, 2013 08:36 PM |
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Looks like intelligence made a number of mistakes, likely due to political correctness.
Boy, how deep can you sink?
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artu
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posted April 26, 2013 08:40 PM |
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Well, there's a tiny little problem with that logic. It's NOT a leftist who says it's all about oil, it's your conservative guy. The level of denial you're capable of...
Sadly you chose to continue to make false statments about O'Reily's position. Oh well, anybody can look up a few posts where I quoted O'Reily's response to the extreme leftist Letterman and see you are not telling the truth.
Yes, anybody can look up and read the part where you choose to ignore twice:
Letterman: "So there it is. It's all about oil? You just answered the question."
O'Reilly: "Absolutely. It's all about oil. The whole world is about oil."
Letterman: "That's right. It's all about oil. That's why we're there. Big deal."
Besides Bill O Reilly is not my only resource, he's just an example. During the last ten years I have read dozens of interviews by your Neo-Cons explaining how it is about oil, most of them are so arrogant they don't even try to hide it. Watch Oliver Stone's film W., the dialogs are based on real interviews and witnesses. The source on this is endless.
Anyway, it's pointless to expect from someone who conspires that the American left is working with the jihadists, to observe anything. What benefit do they have to work with them, what do they have in common? Anti-Americanism? According to you the American left is anti-american too. How ridiculous....
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posted April 26, 2013 09:03 PM |
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Well, there's a tiny little problem with that logic. It's NOT a leftist who says it's all about oil, it's your conservative guy. The level of denial you're capable of...
Sadly you chose to continue to make false statments about O'Reily's position. Oh well, anybody can look up a few posts where I quoted O'Reily's response to the extreme leftist Letterman and see you are not telling the truth.
Yes, anybody can look up and read the part where you choose to ignore twice:
Letterman: "So there it is. It's all about oil? You just answered the question."
O'Reilly: "Absolutely. It's all about oil. The whole world is about oil."
Letterman: "That's right. It's all about oil. That's why we're there. Big deal."
Anyone who read what O'Reily said and concluded he was saying America was making up lies to justify invading other nations to steal their oil could only be described as an absolute moron.
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Letterman: "But how does staying there killing more and more Americans make it right? How do you make a right decision out of a wrong decision? It looks to me like the country is going to fall apart anyway regardless of what people do. Do you think stability will prevail over there?"
O'Reilly: "Look, Dave, if you, if you get out of Iraq and leave it in chaos, Iran comes in, takes over, all right, and then we basically have a 10 times worse situation because the oil flow then goes under the jihadists in Iran. You want to debate geopolitics with me? Do you really?"
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Besides Bill O Reilly is not my only resource, he's just an example. During the last ten years I have read dozens of interviews by your Neo-Cons explaining how it is about oil, most of them are so arrogant they don't even try to hide it. Watch Oliver Stone's film W., the dialogs are based on real interviews and witnesses. The source on this is endless.
Oliver Stone is a loony lying Anti-American liberal freak, not a journalist or historian.
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artu
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posted April 26, 2013 09:12 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:47, 26 Apr 2013.
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His prophicies on Iran are not relevant. He says the reason they are there is oil. AFTER Letterman asks him if the whole thing's about oil, he says absolutely and he adds THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABOUT OIL. Are you deaf and blind!
Oliver Stone's personal opinion is not what I gave as an example. The film's content is Neo-Cons, it includes THEIR speeches, THEIR political views, THEIR state of mind. I didn't tell you to go read Oliver Stone's journal. And as I understand, anybody disagreeing with Elodin The Great is a liberal, leftist, anti-american moron freak.
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posted April 27, 2013 04:26 PM |
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Welcome to the american right.
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artu
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posted April 27, 2013 04:55 PM |
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Welcome to the american right.
I don't think a normal person, no matter what his political attachment is, can be this deluded and deliberately in denial. It has to be a "special case" or trolling. I don't think it's trolling.
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posted April 27, 2013 09:27 PM |
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I call trolling.
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artu
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posted April 27, 2013 09:39 PM |
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Artu, you are going to bust something trying to argue with this person. Drop it and let the madman continue his ravings. We'll hear from him eventually after he ends up balls deep in a pig whilst firing a gun in the air...
Well, he posted specifically about a post of mine, so I answered. I guess it's a weakness of mine not to let these things just slide away.
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posted April 28, 2013 01:39 AM |
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His prophicies on Iran are not relevant. He says the reason they are there is oil. AFTER Letterman asks him if the whole thing's about oil, he says absolutely and he adds THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABOUT OIL. Are you deaf and blind!
He said the reason why America was still there was to stop Iranian jihadists from getting the oil. He did not say America invaded Iraq for oil. No, I'm not the one who appears to be unwilling to see.
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Oliver Stone's personal opinion is not what I gave as an example. The film's content is Neo-Cons, it includes THEIR speeches, THEIR political views, THEIR state of mind. I didn't tell you to go read Oliver Stone's journal. And as I understand, anybody disagreeing with Elodin The Great is a liberal, leftist, anti-american moron freak.
Say whatever you want about his leftist propaganda. You did not link to it and I can only assume he took snippets of peoples quotes to take them out of context to present a liberal lie, knowing him.
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I don't think a normal person, no matter what his political attachment is, can be this deluded and deliberately in denial. It has to be a "special case" or trolling. I don't think it's trolling.
Sadly you appear incapable of holding any sort of discussion without hurling insults. America is not an evil nation going around the world making up lies to justify invading other nations and doing so to steal their oil. Sadly many leftists seem to have been so thoroughly brainwashed as to be incapable of of changing their indoctrinated viewpoints even when presented with evidence that refutes them.
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posted April 28, 2013 02:12 AM |
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He said the reason why America was still there was to stop Iranian jihadists from getting the oil. He did not say America invaded Iraq for oil. No, I'm not the one who appears to be unwilling to see.
Sadly, Iran is not really a threat compared to Saudi Arabia, a known country that supports Wahabi islam or suicide bombers and yet nobody says a single thing about them. Guess why?
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artu
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posted April 28, 2013 02:31 AM |
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He says if we go out now they'll control oil flow, Letterman then takes a (rhetorically) offensive position and challenges him to admit the whole REASON they are there is oil. O Reilly, put aside denying that, also adds that the whole world is about oil.
Now if you stretch that dialogue to "we were there to bring democracy to Iraq but later we also decided to stay so Iran couldn't control oil."
I call that a very very high level of wishful thinking equivalent of delusion.
And even if to be deluded was meant as an insult, it is quite hypocrite of you to play the victim. You have this habit of by-passing the CoC, simply by instead of calling someone a moron, freak etc, changing the structure of the sentence into "anybody who thinks XXXX is a moron". That may get you off the hook when it comes to not violating HC rules but everybody still knows what your style of debate is. So stop crying when you face deserved reaction.
As I said, the examples of Republicans (and I keep my examples limited to them since even David Letterman is a radical lying leftist in Planet Elodin) admitting the war is about oil is endless, be it a lapsus or a deliberate stance. Here's another one:
2008 Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain was forced to clarify his comments suggesting the Iraq war involved U.S. reliance on foreign oil. "My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East," McCain said. To clarify his comments, McCain explained that "the word 'again' was misconstrued, I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons, and that's all I mean."
I can come up with more, really, it's very easy. And for your information, I didn't call any country evil. Unlike you, I don't contemplate the world as a Biblical battlefield of good versus evil. Countries go to wars because of conflict of interest and resources, the US is not the first or only country to do that, though as of now, it is the strongest causing the most damage and consequences. If you keep denying that fact (especially in an international platform like this) there will always be people to remind you of it.
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posted April 28, 2013 09:17 PM |
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It turns out Mommy and Jr talked about where Jr should go conduct jihad. Palestine was mentioned first but he objected that he did not know the language there. So it was evidently settled that he would jihad in the US.
Also, Mommy and Daddy have now canceled their plans to come back to the US in light of all the evidence that is coming out. The FBI only just arrived in Russia so we'll what else they may uncover.
[url=In early 2011, the Russian FSB internal security service intercepted a conversation between Tamerlan and his mother vaguely discussing jihad, according to U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation with reporters.
The two discussed the possibility of Tamerlan going to Palestine, but he told his mother he didn't speak the language there, according to the officials, who reviewed the information Russia shared with the U.S.
In a second call, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva spoke with a man in the Caucasus region of Russia who was under FBI investigation. Jacqueline Maguire, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Washington Field Office, where that investigation was based, declined to comment.]
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UNDISCLOSED LOCATION IN NORTH CAUCASUS, Russia (Reuters) - The parents of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects have retreated to a village in southern Russia to shelter from the spotlight and abandoned plans for now to travel to the United States, the father of the suspects told Reuters on Sunday.
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posted April 28, 2013 09:31 PM |
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2008 Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain was forced to clarify his comments suggesting the Iraq war involved U.S. reliance on foreign oil. "My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East," McCain said. To clarify his comments, McCain explained that "the word 'again' was misconstrued, I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons, and that's all I mean."
Sorry, whoever told you McCain meant that the US has been invading nations for oil but if it became energy independent it would stop because it would no longer need to is a straight up idiot or liar one.
Anyone who had the slightest clue about McCain's platform or who could read on a first grade level could see McCain simply did not say that. What he said is that if the US could achieve energy independence (which the left opposes, by the way) the US would have no national interest in the outcome of various conflicts around the world and thus could tell folks, "you are on your own." That would include a lot of European nations too, by the way. Nations that don't spend enough to have a military capable of defending themselves because of all the socialist spending.
But the left loves to twist the words of conservatives because in my opinion the left is not at all interested in truth, they are just interested in furthering their leftist agenda.
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I can come up with more, really, it's very easy.
Yes, it is very easy to lift a sentence out of somebody's speech and twist it into a perversion of what was actually said.
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And for your information, I didn't call any country evil. Unlike you, I don't contemplate the world as a Biblical battlefield of good versus evil. Countries go to wars because of conflict of interest and resources, the US is not the first or only country to do that, though as of now, it is the strongest causing the most damage and consequences. If you keep denying that fact (especially in an international platform like this) there will always be people to remind you of it.
No, the US is not causing the most damage aound the world. the US has greatly benefited the world in contrast to Marxist nations who have wrought great destruction. Yes, I realize the left will always lie about the US. They have a deep hatred for the US because her shining example of how beautiful capitalism and freedom is. They reject the notion of good and evil and thus have no qualms about lying about the US.
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posted April 28, 2013 09:38 PM |
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The US didn't invade Iraq to get oil. Nobody outside of the ME or the old Eastern Bloc countries believes that weird stuff, besides misinformed college kids. Not even a large slice of the oil in Iraq ends up in the US; it's mostly a European market. The US imports most of its oil from Canada or Venezuela. Of course its a global market so higher outflow in one place means lower prices overall, but the US doesn't have any unique interest in that respect, and it borrowed a lot of money with its endeavor in Iraq that just got thrown onto the debt for more interest to pay. Even if it did go into Iraq with some Hollywood-esque plot to get exclusive free oil I have no idea how in the world they would do it without notice. Oil production post-war was obviously decreased for quite some time, so it had the complete opposite effect of getting oil on top of the debt burden the war had. Economically, the war was a bullet to the foot for the US.
Middle Easterners believe the complete opposite because its what they want to believe.
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posted April 28, 2013 09:43 PM |
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posted April 28, 2013 09:51 PM |
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Even if it did go into Iraq with some Hollywood-esque plot to get exclusive free oil I have no idea how in the world they would do it without notice.
It's not like that bb, it's about privatizing previously nationalized oil, not secretly filling it into trucks.
Read this article.
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Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.
"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."
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posted April 28, 2013 10:00 PM |
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But what confuses me is that they can trace the intel reports leading up the war where they believed that Saddam had WoMD. Was it a secret plot from the beginning or did oil just jump on the opportunity after the fact?
I know that the central incentive to staying for several years after the quick invasion was that Iraq is a big oil producer, so it would have been very bad if it just fell into tribal chaos. If Iraq was somewhere less important, like Syria, I'm sure there would have been much less commitment.
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