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artu
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posted April 28, 2013 10:07 PM |
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Personally, I think those intel reports were just an excuse and probably fabricated. Iraq invited inspectors of UN to investigate for WoMD right before the war, they did, they couldn't find anything but that didn't change anything.
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Zenofex
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posted April 28, 2013 10:07 PM |
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OK, even if we assume for a moment that it wasn't about oil, the question what was it about remains. To pave the way for the democracy? He. Hehehe. Hehe. It's not funny.
Seriously though, Iraq is important for a large number of reasons, not only oil. None of them makes the invasion any more legal or "just" though, heck even the reason for the attack was fabricated and even people who have substituted their brain with a propaganda radio can't deny that.
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Salamandre
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posted April 28, 2013 10:14 PM |
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That would include a lot of European nations too, by the way. Nations that don't spend enough to have a military capable of defending themselves because of all the socialist spending.
Dude, how is that called defense when you invade before being provoked? For the rest, I am only a leftist atheist moron, but still I believe the social is what characterizes human race and makes it different from, let's say, iguanas. Or some christians.
Social is the right priority, how come 20% of US population lives in poverty yet you still name it the nation of light? No health care, super expensive access to education, if you agree with all this, then you fit well in the layout. And you will deserve to see it decline slowly once China enters in the game. Soon.
Because chinese don't give a s*** about people, all is about profit.
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Seraphim
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posted April 28, 2013 11:17 PM |
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China is far from becoming the next super power. China is internally divided by people who want to be isolationist and expansionist.
Chinese econ is based on export and it is heavily dependent on the US. Unlike the US, China has many regional Rivals like Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan and so on.
China cant invent stuff. They lack the expertise to innovate and they lack any policy that would invite skilled labor to China.
Sure, all of this could change but we are talking here for the not so near future.
And now to Iraq. Iraq is a strategic region, Saddam was becoming a sore for oil supply. That certainly pissed somebody in the high ups.
Thats what I know. Certainly, wikileaks did bring up some interesting facts about iraq, but none to be overwhelmingly surpising.
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Zenofex
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posted April 29, 2013 08:03 AM |
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China has no regional rivals at the moment, if we don't count Russia. The only country which can hope to match its performance in foreseeable future is India. The rest have either inferior military or inferior economy, or both.
On the other hand, it's true that China has never had any serious ambitions outside its own region. That's millennial historical heritage that they will not easily drop.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted April 29, 2013 01:51 PM |
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Seraphim
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posted April 29, 2013 02:10 PM |
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Yeah, those damnned czechs got what they deserved!
This explosion was probably the wrath of god because of the fact that czechs are some of the most pissed off-grumpy people in europe and also they happen to be the least religious.
Joking aside, I dont think somebody in this planet would have a grudge against the czechs. I cant remember the last time I heard something from the Czechs that was interesting...
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posted April 29, 2013 02:28 PM |
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China has no regional rivals at the moment, if we don't count Russia. The only country which can hope to match its performance in foreseeable future is India. The rest have either inferior military or inferior economy, or both.
On the other hand, it's true that China has never had any serious ambitions outside its own region. That's millennial historical heritage that they will not easily drop.
And still time and time again China has been knocked out by its inferiors 
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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2013 02:35 PM |
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China has big ambitions outside, but they are handled differently than US for instance. While US goes gun in hand, China buys everything, thus its economical influence grows considerably over time.
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artu
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posted April 29, 2013 02:48 PM |
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Being a world power in that sense is not just about economics and military. Cultural influence and acceptance is more important than it first appears. Compare amount of music/film/literature/art/philosopher/scientist you happen to know from US to Chinese.
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Seraphim
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posted April 29, 2013 03:01 PM |
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Chinese are not known to be kind either. There is a lot of anti americnsim in asia,the middle east and so on, which skews the view on the chinese.
Last time I heard from china, they were destryoing their envoriment, threatening taiwan with nukes and sending tanks to repel protesters.
CHina is expanding by buying stuff? I cant be bothered to look on he internet about what the chinese are doing or planning, but even if economically, china was to surpas the US, that still would not make China a Superpower. It lacks a navy, airforce and R&D to become one.
BRIC countries are interesting, but I seriously doubt that they will be the leading countries in the future. With their problems on human rights and ridiculous crime rates, they wont be the heavens anti-westerners have been dreaming about.
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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2013 03:02 PM |
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I think it's gonna take it out, slowly but sure. In the last decade, at least in classical music from what I know, China talents took the leader ship, it was very surprisingly but expected. The majority of international competitions have now a chinese as winner. Then gymnastics as well, other things will follow, they wake up and strike hard.
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posted April 29, 2013 03:18 PM |
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It lacks a navy, airforce and R&D to become one.
Dude, they have their own space program. This alone means that they can develop anything they want. Just because they are not advertising their military projects like the US does not mean that they don't have them.
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And still time and time again China has been knocked out by its inferiors
Until some 60 years ago China was not entirely in XX century, you know.
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Seraphim
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posted April 29, 2013 03:29 PM |
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I think it's gonna take it out, slowly but sure. In the last decade, at least in classical music from what I know, China talents took the leader ship, it was very surprisingly but expected. The majority of international competitions have now a chinese as winner. Then gymnastics as well, other things will follow, they wake up and strike hard.
You are grasping at straws. Individual performance of a bunch of athletes in an international prestigious game, is not indicative of anything but "Those guys were trained extensively" by Chinese gov so as to show the planet how awesome they are.
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Dude, they have their own space program. This alone means that they can develop anything they want. Just because they are not advertising their military projects like the US does not mean that they don't have them.
Sending a bunch of rockets into space was also done in the 1960s.
R&D is far behind in China and no, I am not just talking about Military tech. The US does not advertise its newest weapons. Before 1999, there was no mention of the B2 for example and so on and so forth.
[quoteUntil some 60 years ago China was not entirely in XX century, you know.
Indeed, some 2 decades ago, they sent tanks to pacify protesters. Just because they sugarcoated everything and make it look nice, does not change the fact that China, as we love it, is a totalitarian regime.
And the cheap workforce is not something one should call "Good".
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artu
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posted April 29, 2013 03:40 PM |
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Just because they sugarcoated everything and make it look nice, does not change the fact that China, as we love it, is a totalitarian regime.
And the cheap workforce is not something one should call "Good".
They didn't define China's regime as good, in fact, Sal was quite critical of it. They just stated that it is a major force and in the future will be a rival to the US. You are really obsessed with this anti-american theory of yours and it makes you misread the context.
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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2013 03:53 PM |
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You are grasping at straws. Individual performance of a bunch of athletes in an international prestigious game, is not indicative of anything but "Those guys were trained extensively" by Chinese gov so as to show the planet how awesome they are.
I think you miss the point too. Individual performances of athletes is an indicative of their determination to follow a hard training in order to represent a country, read-how proud are they of. When there is no soul, there is no medal, french athletes can confirm it all the way.
About totalitarian regime, China is a big country. A veeery big one. Most chineses will disagree of you and will not complain much, handling such vast territory is not gonna work without serious limitations. Is no where near Korea and things change positively, every year. Still not a true democracy, but not declining neither.
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posted April 29, 2013 03:53 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 15:57, 29 Apr 2013.
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Just because they sugarcoated everything and make it look nice, does not change the fact that China, as we love it, is a totalitarian regime.
And the cheap workforce is not something one should call "Good".
They didn't define China's regime as good, in fact, Sal was quite critical of it. They just stated that it is a major force and in the future will be a rival to the US. You are really obsessed with this anti-american theory of yours and it makes you misread the context.
I am sorry if I give that impression. I certainly dont want to give that impression.
All I want to say is that: whatever china will do, whether they will end up as a world superpower or not, it is going to take some time and I believe that will be beyond our lifespan.
Also, I can pretty much infer that from the last page with words such as "China will enter or replace the US, soon" that some are pretty forthseeing to china, which its internal policies are nothing but appalling.
That said, I just hope that china wont become a major superpower before I die. I dont want to hear news or developments from another Soviet Union.
Some people say the BRIC will be the future, but I dont think anybody with a sane mind would want to live in any of the countries in the BRIC as all of them are crime-fests.
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posted April 29, 2013 05:42 PM |
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Sending a bunch of rockets into space was also done in the 1960s.
Yes, by the most powerful countries in the world.
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R&D is far behind in China
You'll have to provide some sources if you want to justify that point.
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Indeed, some 2 decades ago, they sent tanks to pacify protesters. Just because they sugarcoated everything and make it look nice, does not change the fact that China, as we love it, is a totalitarian regime.
There was nothing to sugarcoat and I don't think anybody here "loves" China. It is not a totalitarian country though - this term has seen far too much misuse - and while it is far from democratic and humane, it's not like the all the other world powers are heaven on earth either. The usage of such words can only blur the analysis though. Objectively speaking, there's nothing which prevents China from becoming a superpower in foreseeable future - they have the manpower, the economy and the means to mobilize them to achieve very big goals. They are proving that what they can do as we speak. It's only a matter of "when" and if they really want to play a role similar to that of the US today. The "when" is not that far.
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posted April 29, 2013 09:11 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 21:15, 29 Apr 2013.
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Personally, I think those intel reports were just an excuse and probably fabricated. Iraq invited inspectors of UN to investigate for WoMD right before the war, they did, they couldn't find anything but that didn't change anything.
Really I think whoever told you America was a liar and oil stealer is a delusional person whose hatred of America has blinded him to the facts. Saddam constantly denied UN weapon inspectors any access and when he did allow them in he greatly restricted their access.
Prior to the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 1441 in November 2002 giving Iraq a “final opportunity” to comply with its disarmament requirements under previous Security Council resolutions. At issue was Iraq’s failure to provide an adequate accounting of its prohibited weapons programs or to convince UN inspectors that its weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed as Baghdad claimed.
Bush gave Saddam and sons 48 hours to leave Iraq. They refused. The US invaded Iraq. The world is a better place without the Butcher of Baghdad.
Nothing America did in Iraq justified murdering runners and spectators at the Boston marathon or the mass murder of enlisted personal by a US Army officer (Muslim) or any other terrorist act.
In my opinion the liars are the anti-American extremists who continually lie about America.
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posted April 29, 2013 09:14 PM |
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Enlightened one, pray tell why YOUR forces didn't find any such weapons for the 10 (ten) years they spent in the country?
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