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Salamandre
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posted April 29, 2013 09:25 PM

Well, you may read THIS analyze, or you may not. Just put it because you tell such nonsense that better has to be addressed, and by your own country analysts.

The question is not: does US does good to the world, but doe US create terrorism by its policy. Answering yes to first does not exclude answering yes to second, yet you put everything in same dishes then it looks like heaven.
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posted April 29, 2013 09:33 PM

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Nothing America did in Iraq justified murdering runners and spectators at the Boston marathon or the mass murder of enlisted personal by a US Army officer (Muslim) or any other terrorist act.


Elodin, nobody says blowing up civilians is a justified and chivalric act and those victims had it coming. Let me explain it to you this way, if I was a pizza delivery guy and I knocked on some door and witnessed some guys building up a bomb-vest, I would immediately report it to the authorities. That does not mean the guys I reported are blood-thirsty demons acting out of jealousy of America the Beautiful.

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In my opinion the liars are the anti-American extremists who continually lie about America.


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Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are.

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posted April 29, 2013 09:53 PM

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Enlightened one, pray tell why YOUR forces didn't find any such weapons for the 10 (ten) years they spent in the country?


Somebody lied to you. Please don't repeat lies.

The US found 550 metric tons of yellow cake uranium according the extreme left wing NBC.

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The US found a number of chemical agents used in weapons of mass destruction. Here is one of their biggest raids.

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BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.



Wikileaks shows WMDs were found, just not on a massive scale.
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There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all.

The massive cache of almost 400,000 Iraq war documents released by the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq and continued to surface for years after the 2003 US invasion, Wired magazine reported.

The documents showed that US troops continued to find chemical weapons and labs for years after the invasion, including remnants of Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons arsenal -- most of which had been destroyed following the Gulf War.

In August 2004, American troops were able to buy containers from locals of what they thought was liquid sulfur mustard, a blister agent, the documents revealed. The chemicals were triple-sealed and taken to a secure site.

Also in 2004, troops discovered a chemical lab in a house in Fallujah during a battle with insurgents. A chemical cache was also found in the city.



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WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.

"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.

The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.

This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It's not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it's still toxic.

"Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."

Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."

"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of the most important tasks servicemembers in the country perform.

Maples added searches are ongoing for chemical weapons beyond those being conducted solely for force protection.

There has been a call for a complete declassification of the National Ground Intelligence Center's report on WMD in Iraq. Maples said he believes the director of national intelligence is still considering this option, and has asked Maples to look into producing an unclassified paper addressing the subject matter in the center's report.

Much of the classified matter was slated for discussion in a closed forum after the open hearings this morning.



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posted April 29, 2013 10:04 PM
Edited by Elodin at 22:07, 29 Apr 2013.

Also of import is that Saddam kept saying he had WMDs for the power and prestige that claim brought him.

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"And what did he tell you about how his weapons of mass destruction had been destroyed?" Pelley asks.

"He told me that most of the WMD had been destroyed by the U.N. inspectors in the '90s. And those that hadn't been destroyed by the inspectors were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq," Piro says.

"So why keep the secret? Why put your nation at risk, why put your own life at risk to maintain this charade?" Pelley asks.

"It was very important for him to project that because that was what kept him, in his mind, in power. That capability kept the Iranians away. It kept them from reinvading Iraq," Piro says.

Before his wars with America, Saddam had fought a ruinous eight year war with Iran and it was Iran he still feared the most.

"He believed that he couldn't survive without the perception that he had weapons of mass destruction?" Pelley asks.

"Absolutely," Piro says.

"As the U.S. marched toward war and we began massing troops on his border, why didn't he stop it then? And say, 'Look, I have no weapons of mass destruction.' I mean, how could he have wanted his country to be invaded?" Pelley asks.

"He didn't. But he told me he initially miscalculated President Bush. And President Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998 under Operation Desert Fox. Which was a four-day aerial attack. So you expected that initially," Piro says.

Piro says Saddam expected some kind of an air campaign and that he could he survive that. "He survived that once. And then he was willing to accept that type of attack. That type of damage," he says.

"Saddam didn't believe that the United States would invade," Pelley remarks.

"Not initially, no," Piro says.

"Once it was clear to him that there was going to be an invasion of the country. I mean, did he actually believe that his armies could win?" Pelley asks.

"No," Piro says. "What he had asked of his military leaders and senior government officials was to give him two weeks. And at that point it would go into what he called the secret war."

"The secret war. What did he mean?" Pelley asks.

"Going from a conventional to an unconventional war," Piro says.

"So the insurgency was part of his plan from the very beginning," Pelley remarks.

"Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," Piro says.

Central to that insurgency were Saddam's sons, that is, before they were killed by U.S. forces.



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Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are.



Yes, America staid in Iraq to prevent Islamic jihadists from getting the oil. America did not invade Iraq for oil and did not take oil from Iraq when it invaded Iraq. If America had invaded Iraq for oil America would have taken the oil. America did not.

I'm sure you continue to quote people out of context in your anti-America propaganda.
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posted April 29, 2013 10:17 PM

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Yes, America staid in Iraq to prevent Islamic jihadists from getting the oil. America did not invade Iraq for oil and did not take oil from Iraq when it invaded Iraq. If America had invaded Iraq for oil America would have taken the oil. America did not.

I'm sure you continue to quote people out of context in your anti-America propaganda.


In my original post, the full article is also linked. It's CNN! I guess most Americans are Anti-American propagandists too. Damn those evil jihadist-communist-liberal-leftists, they are everywhere. I guess it's time to organize the militia Elodin, the time has come.  

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posted April 29, 2013 10:19 PM

Of course there are mass destructions weapons in Iraq, but well hidden under oilers, so must pump first to get to them.
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posted April 29, 2013 10:21 PM

World Mass Destructions? Sadam?
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posted April 30, 2013 02:41 AM
Edited by Elodin at 02:42, 30 Apr 2013.

Female DNA was found on bomb components used during the Boston marathon bombngs. The FBI has raided the apartment of Mommy and Daddy in Rhode Island. We already know the Russians recorded a phone conversation of the 26 year old bomber and Mommy talking about jihad and that Mommy and Daddy have canceled plans to return to the US. Results are not back/have not been made public regarding the DNA but I'd not be surprised if it was Mommy's DNA.

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Female DNA was found bomb components used in the attack this month on the Boston Marathon, a source familiar with the investigation confirmed to Fox News, though the source cautioned that it is too early to draw hard conclusions from that evidence.

"No one should expect that the investigation is over," the source told Fox News in confirming the development first reported by the Wall Street Journal, adding that it is just one piece of evidence that investigators are looking at.

The revelation about female DNA came on the same day that the FBI went inside the Rhode Island home of bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev's widow's parents, and the nearby family of a man identified as his mysterious mentor hired a family spokesman to keep the media at bay.

"We are there as part of our ongoing investigation, but we aren't permitted to discuss specific aspects of our case," an FBI official said outside the suburban Providence home where Katherine Russell and her 3-year-old daughter are staying.


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posted April 30, 2013 02:55 AM

Huh.  So the plot thickens...
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posted April 30, 2013 03:54 AM

More information coming in. It appears the Boston bombers had ties to Canadian jihadists. And possible links to two jihadists Russia just killed this weekend.

Also, the surviving bomber gets "the nation's foremost expert on defending federal capital cases" appointed as his lawyer. Obama's rush to conclude the Boston bombers were "lone wolves" appears at this point to be a rash decision. The left wanted so badly for the bombers to be Tea Party members and when it turned out the bombers are radical Islamists the left pretends radical Islam had nothing to do with it. The Boston bomber brothers indeed appear to be enemy combatants.

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posted April 30, 2013 09:45 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 09:48, 30 Apr 2013.

So they vaguely talk about Jihad. What that proves?

That they are muslims.

Do you know what means Jihad? You use that word up and down and proud of. Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. Completely vague insinuations based on undefinable hints from unidentified "sources" have been extrapolated into concrete conclusions from outlets with a vested interest in generating buzz and viewership. I guess we can call this whole thing solved as a result.

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posted April 30, 2013 11:32 AM

Believe what you will.  When Mommy and Jr were talking about jihad in Palestine and Jr objected that he did not know the language there it is pretty obvious they were discussing a physical jihad, not a spiritual battle with one's inner self. Moreover in view of the facts being uncovered that is the only rational interpretation of their conversation.
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posted April 30, 2013 04:38 PM

Pretty obvious for only you because your opinion already made. FBI had all this data years ago and concluded to zero evidence about brothers/family conspiring for a terrorist plot. They closed the case.
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posted April 30, 2013 05:34 PM

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Pretty obvious for only you because your opinion already made. FBI had all this data years ago and concluded to zero evidence about brothers/family conspiring for a terrorist plot. They closed the case.


Not true. You should actually read my posts and the articles before always automatically jumping to "nuh-uh."  Russia did not provide details on the two occasions when they asked the FBI to investigate the older bomber and did not provide the FBI with the recorded phone conversation. And of course all the new information coming about abour ties to Russian and Canadian jihadists.
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posted May 01, 2013 05:35 PM

Three more suspects taken into custody in the Boston marathon bombing. Obama's decision to try the youngest brother as a lone wolf instead of detaining him as an enemy combatant looks more and more foolish every day.

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(CNN) -- Three additional suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing have been taken into custody, Boston police said Wednesday.


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posted May 01, 2013 05:45 PM

What if he is not a lone wolf, in the eyes of the law, isn't it simply a matter of citizenship?

I don't know the exact law of U.S. on this but to be trialed as a citizen must be about to be a citizen or not. In case of international affairs or national security the accusation can be treason but it is still a citizen that is being trialed for that treason.

Otherwise, what does citizenship mean anyway?

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posted May 01, 2013 06:08 PM

Obama looks way more decent and responsible than Bush on that matter, yet he has much to improve about Guantanamo, whose abuses regarding humans rights, existing laws and moral standards push America on top ranks of the most repressive countries in the world. Detaining hundred of people without being tried or convicted, Guantanamo has proved an unmitigated disaster, unnecessary in its own right and an enduring blot on the good name of a superpower that claims to be a beacon for liberty, justice and human rights.

But I don't see where is the problem besides the weird Elodin's joy about others suffering. Be it enemy combatant (wtf means that) or simple terrorist/criminal does not influence the final punishment but only the captivity conditions.
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posted May 03, 2013 08:31 PM
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The Boston bombers originally had intended to explode the bombs on July 4. But they were able to make the bombs more quickly than anticipated and chose to move up the attack to the Boston marathon.

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The suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing originally planned to target a Fourth of July celebration, but chose the prestigious race as a "target of opportunity" after the bombs came together more quickly than expected, according to The Associated Press.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev allegedly assembled at least four types of improvised explosive devices in the home Tamerlan shared with wife Katherine Russell, sources tell Fox News. Typically, in cases of homegrown terror, only one type of explosive is constructed. Additionally, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev told investigators the building of the bombs happened more quickly than expected, according to sources. The brothers reportedly had planned to set off the explosives on July 4, but changed their plans when the bombs were finished early.

The Washington Post reported that their original target was a celebration along Boston's Charles River.

After the Boston bombings, the brothers still had a pressure-cooker explosive and four pipe bombs and were bound for New York City before they were stopped by authorities, New York officials say. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed after a shootout with police days after the Boston attack. Dzhokhar was captured alive but wounded and now is in federal custody facing a charge of use of a weapon of mass destruction that could get him the death penalty.



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But I don't see where is the problem besides the weird Elodin's joy about others suffering.



Nah, I take no pleasure in the suffering of others but you seem to take joy in lying about me.
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posted May 23, 2013 01:22 AM
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The FBI had to kill a Chechen who turned violent during interrogation. The questioning was over a link to the brothers who carried out the Boston bombings.


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ORLANDO, Fla./WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An FBI agent shot and killed a man of Chechen origin who turned violent while being questioned on Wednesday about his connection to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of two Chechen brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston Marathon bombings.

A friend of the dead man identified him to local media as 27-year-old Ibragim Todashev, who had previously lived in Boston and knew Tsarnaev, the older of the two brothers suspected of planting two bombs at the marathon on April 15, killing three people and injuring 264 others.

NBC News reported on Wednesday that Todashev had confessed to his involvement in an unsolved 2011 triple homicide in a Boston suburb that investigators believe was drug related.

Authorities were investigating possible connections between Tsarnaev, who died in a shootout with police, and the 2011 incident.

Three men including a close friend of Tsarnaev were found stabbed in the neck in an apartment on September 12, 2011, in Waltham, Massachusetts. News reports said marijuana was strewn over their bodies.

Wednesday's incident took place at an apartment complex near the Universal Studios theme park, where the FBI and members of other law enforcement agencies including the Massachusetts State Police were interviewing the man about the marathon bombing.

"A violent confrontation was initiated by the individual," the FBI said. A special agent, it said, "acting on the imminent threat posed by the individual, responded with deadly force. The individual was killed and the special agent was transported to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries."

The possibility that Tsarnaev was connected to the Waltham murders is "being looked at seriously," said Republican Representative Peter King, chairman of the counter-terrorism and intelligence subcommittee of the House Homeland Security Committee. Other U.S. officials confirmed the investigation did involve Tsarnaev's possible role.


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posted May 23, 2013 03:34 AM

So will the agents be charged with destruction of evidence or not?
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