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posted May 04, 2013 09:13 AM |
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The Democratic People's Republic of America?=D
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Hobbit
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posted May 04, 2013 11:02 AM |
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I certainly would not call it a "crap poll" because of lack of previous polling on the matter.
Exactly. It's a crap poll because it doesn't prove any "dissatisfaction with Washington", as some of you said. It doesn't prove anything at all. It's just a manipulation, suggestion of danger which of course can happen, but its plausibility is veeeery low.
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Doomforge
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posted May 04, 2013 11:46 AM |
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then those 25% are (no offense) morons. If you live in the insanely rich and beautiful country, and you STILL whine, you should move to AT LEAST Poorland (preferably Somalia), try to live your current life with prices HIGHER than in the US but your payment = 300 dollars per month, and be happy.
They'd come back to US crying, and never ever mention a "revolution" again.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 04, 2013 11:56 AM |
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So because some crappy European country has it worse, it means that America shouldn't strive to be better and live up to the ideals of its foundation? The idea behind is that you replace something that no longer appeals to the masses with something "better", Poorland is the way it is because you people as a collective don't give a **** about it, and just accept what you get, glad America hasn't yet degraded that far, not that the poll proves this point.
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Doomforge
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posted May 04, 2013 12:11 PM |
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No, it means people that consider "an armed riot" have ZERO grasp of reality.
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del_diablo
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posted May 04, 2013 02:30 PM |
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Regarding all those people who think that a revolution "may be needed", I'm curious to find out what type of political system they think should replace the current one.
Current one with updates to fix loopholes that are left due legacy, such as global parties?
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Salamandre
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posted May 04, 2013 02:36 PM |
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that americans who actually desire to make their country a better place by ridding themselves of a corrupt government(through whatever means possible) are idiots?
Nope, isn't about that. Is about them being enough idiots to believe this can be done by armed revolution. I mean, you are all proud and never miss an occasion to spit over how US army is greatest, and now you want a cowboy group to deal and win over it?
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artu
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posted May 04, 2013 02:48 PM |
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Edited by artu at 15:16, 04 May 2013.
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take into account that that is how the united states came to be,
It was the 18th century, technological gap between regular guys with guns and a professional army wasn't that big, the British government you were fighting was in another continent and your forces were not just pure militia. Not to mention that the French, a major force and a rival of Britain at that time, constantly supported the revolution with arms and money.
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fauch
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posted May 04, 2013 03:04 PM |
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that americans who actually desire to make their country a better place by ridding themselves of a corrupt government(through whatever means possible) are idiots?
Nope, isn't about that. Is about them being enough idiots to believe this can be done by armed revolution. I mean, you are all proud and never miss an occasion to spit over how US army is greatest, and now you want a cowboy group to deal and win over it?
I thought the question was MIGHT an armed revolution be necessary?
I think it's not unrealistic to think so, even though it's unlikely it would be a good idea, because our "democracy" don't let us that many options...
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Salamandre
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posted May 04, 2013 03:06 PM |
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Maybe just vote wisely before calling to arms: democracy bonus...
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Doomforge
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posted May 04, 2013 03:43 PM |
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tsar has it right.
wow. some people on this forum have some real GALL. the NERVE of people trying to say that americans who actually desire to make their country a better place by ridding themselves of a corrupt government(through whatever means possible) are idiots? stupid? maybe you guys are the ones who have no grasp on reality. the whole idea behind the united states, is that it was started as a free country. it was MEANT to be the "shining star" that elodin talks about. where the people could change their government at will, should they need to. and that DOES mean, if needed, BY FORCE. who is the "idiot" now?
First of all, chill.
Second, yes, it's idiotic NOT to acknowledge what WONDERFUL luck you've got to be born and raised in the richest country in the world. It's like seeing a spoiled rich kid that wants to beat his parents for not buying him a 5000$ toy instead of a 3000$ one. Oh, the poor kid, his parents are sooo bad... See the similarity? America is wonderful for what it is. No matter how stupid the government behaves, it's still a wonderland in comparison to ****holes the other countries can be. So respect it, and be happy that you live there.
Third - by all means you should improve your country, but taking your shotguns and going cowboy mode against your own country, pushing it into a civil war, chaos and disorder? Great move. Wonderful move to make it weak and lose its position as superpower.
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fauch
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posted May 04, 2013 03:47 PM |
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and where is the recall referendum on the initiative of citizens?
btw, what do they mean exactly, when they say it might be necessary TO PROTECT LIBERTIES?
does that just mean they want more money for themselves as Doomforge says?
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posted May 04, 2013 03:53 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 15:55, 04 May 2013.
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i wasn't addressing the organizational aspect of the topic at hand, and what you are saying is speculation, sal. but that is all this thread can really be. a gaming forum is no place for a revolution, after all. 
trust me, i know how unfeasible the idea of armed revolution sounds. but then, take into account that that is how the united states came to be, and has perservered long enough to stay a nation on it's own. it is only through blood that freedom stays attainable. anybody who's ever fought in a war will tell you that. words are only good up until a point.
Fred, my impression is that you have at least several dozens of major groups, each of which has its own idea of how the perfect US would look like. And they don't quite agree with each other. You don't have the comfort of the British (read - external threat) stepping on your neck to ally people who would otherwise gladly cut each other's throats if given the opportunity. What will be their goal, "liberty"? What is liberty? From who? From what? What if your fellow countrymen think that YOU are among the oppressors? With such revolutionaries, you might as well grab a machine gun and start shooting in a random direction.
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bixie
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posted May 04, 2013 04:00 PM |
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29% say that an armed revolution is needed, huh?
A few day's ago, a guy threatened to kill me when I beat him at pool.
wonder how many of these people would actually go through with it.
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Salamandre
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posted May 04, 2013 09:48 PM |
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That's your problem guys: you can't stand any critical position against without going berserk and being offended. Which leaves zero place to discuss, but look again what triggers all the thing: is it "anti-americans" (as you call them) who start every of those threads about a precise political agenda and social views? No. It is Elodin over and over who is using those forums as outlet of his personal frustrations, and the answers are accorded to.
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Doomforge
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posted May 04, 2013 10:16 PM |
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The most idiotic thing about this is that I'm saying that America is great for like 10 posts and Fred still goes berserk on how I hate America. Lol.
No offense Fred, but you lack reading comprehension - try to re-read my post, you won't find anything remotely offensive to America/Americans there.
And if you want to run amok shooting people because they have different political opinions, I really don't want to talk to you.
And chill.
Also, if you want to bash my country, go ahead - I hate my country 
And by the way, what kind of patriot identifies himself with a movement that is meant to plunge his country into civil war, chaos and (ultimately) weaken it greatly? Doesn't seem very logical thing to do.
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artu
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posted May 04, 2013 10:25 PM |
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i was offended to my roots by that statement, because the idea behind this movement IS my roots.
Almost every country (unless it's some puppet state, distant colonial island in the middle of nowhere etc. etc.) is build upon some former country. And at some point in the past, the process involves some kind of rebellion against a government, whether it is an interior monarch family or some outsider ruler. Taking up arms against the government is not exclusive to US history.
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Salamandre
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posted May 04, 2013 10:28 PM |
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Then maybe apply your advice to yourself too. Because all the polish I meet are educated, intelligent, cultivated and hard workers. You may have little income down there, but don't ignore the cultural environment, which is way richer than in most western countries. Only an example, you may think speaking good english is natural, do you see many french here? Nope, they can barely speak/write french, school is a simulacrum here: the kid is king, the teacher is slave.
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artu
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posted May 04, 2013 10:33 PM |
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Then maybe apply your advice to yourself too. Because all the polish I meet are educated, intelligent, cultivated and hard workers. You may have little income down there, but don't ignore the cultural environment, which is way richer than in most western countries. Only an example, you may think speaking good english is natural, do you see many french here? Nope, they can barely speak/write french, school is a simulacrum here: the kid is king, the teacher is slave.
Well, this has no end... To an African living in some dictatorship in the middle of turf wars, we're all living in paradise. What you're used to determines your standards, it's human nature.
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Elodin
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posted May 04, 2013 10:36 PM |
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That's your problem guys: you can't stand any critical position against without going berserk and being offended. Which leaves zero place to discuss, but look again what triggers all the thing: is it "anti-americans" (as you call them) who start every of those threads about a precise political agenda and social views? No. It is Elodin over and over who is using those forums as outlet of his personal frustrations, and the answers are accorded to.
You are certainly lying about me once again, sadly. I don't use the forums as an outlet for my frustrations. I introduce topics I think may be of interest to some people and that I find an interest in.
I started this thread when I saw a news article I thought worthy of discussion. Of course I knew some people would use it to bash America for certain people turn virtually every thread into a thread bashing America or bashing religion and those same people inevitably slur me in the process.
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