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xerox
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posted May 05, 2013 04:15 PM |
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The Syrian insurrection is already popcorn-worthy so there's a level of excitement to cash in on here.
Tens of thousands of civilians dying in open conflict with an authoritarian regime is popcorn-worthy? Wth is wrong with you?
Well, the movie needs some elements of drama and tragedy too.
Okay seriously, the popcorn-worthy elements of Syria are more about what will happen to the country if Assad falls, how that will impact the geopolitical situation, what Russia will do with its military naval base in Tartus, if the Kurds will be able to claim some independence and move one further step towards Kurdistan. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Zenofex
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posted May 05, 2013 04:26 PM |
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You still make it sound like a soap opera. It's not surprising that you don't care, 99% of the people who know that bad stuff is happening there and live outside the area don't give a rats arse either but hell, show some bloody respect!
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Seraphim
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posted May 05, 2013 04:42 PM |
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You still make it sound like a soap opera. It's not surprising that you don't care, 99% of the people who know that bad stuff is happening there and live outside the area don't give a rats arse either but hell, show some bloody respect!
As the saying goes"Respect is earned not given" or "I dont mind and they dont matter".
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@Zenofex and how do you show you give a rats ass on events you've no influence upon?
You dont. Syria is already a political mess. You cant go saying anything without somehow violating somebodies viewpoint.
As xerox said, take some popcorn and watch a conspiracy action-drama-thriller unfold and we dont even need a hollywood movie for this, just watch the news.
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posted May 05, 2013 04:56 PM |
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Eldoin, you wrap yourself up in the swaddling clothes of the founding fathers.
I wrap myself in truth, justice, and yes, the American way. For which liberals absolutely hate me.
Yes, I realize that libs hate the concepts enshrined in the Constitution. The very idea that rights are innate to man rather than being granted by the State god make liberals rage. The idea that a person has not only freedom to think as he will but to say what he wishes without a government permit makes liberal blood boil. And certainly the idea that a person has the innate right to exercise his religion leaves liberals furious. So I can see why you hold the Constitution and the founding fathers in such poor esteem.
But while they were not perfect they came up with quite a document that has held together the freedom in America that they won these many years ago. You may spit in their face but you should thank them for paying the price for your freedom. Oooopppss. I FORGOT libs desire, need, and demand a nanny state that controls every aspect of their lives. My bad. 
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The poll is bs. The majority of the ayes are discontented whites who are the first to tell us, "It's called da white house fer a reason!" I strongly believe it is their balatant, ignorant tribalism that prevents them from accepting a black man as their president.
These southern and rural whites are born and bred to like their daddy's preferred corporate logos.
Liberals tend to write such racist, bigoted crap.
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But they only have one choice in politics. The republican party.
I'd say that anyone who loves freedom really only has one party choice. The Republican Party. The dems are all about slavery. Always have been, always will be. The Republican Party was formed to oppose slavery and still fights against slavery to this day. The dems weren't able to keep blacks in physical shackle but they've certainly worked to keep them as political slaves.
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You see, the tea party congressmen and women who came into office riding a wave of voter apathy in 2010, actually believed the line of bullsnow the republican party fed them.
Actually, the Tea Party energized voters. Yes, the Marxists were turned off by the movement to preserve freedom and return to the Constitution but the Tea Party has been able to oust some Republicans and some Democrats from office who needed to get the boot.
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And now they're so angry at being so used, they're preventing one half of our legislative branches, the House, from being able to do anything except spit out anti-abortion legislation, Fifty four different bills between January 2011 and August of last year.
While I recognize one of the focuses of the democrat party is to ensure as many babies are murdered as possible the House has certainly tried to get a number of good things done. YES, they do oppose Marxist ideology and try to keep the dems from declaring innate rights null and void so I understand extreme leftists being upset with them.
The dems had control of the house, senate, and white house for a couple of years and could not seem to do anything but pass things America does not want.
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They cannot do it on the merits of their political positions. Those flat out suck. Instead, with this wave to power, during a census year no less, repulicans who won control of their states and local governments successfully gerrymandered congressional districts to just about guarantee a disproportionate amount of rebublicans in the federal congress. Voter suppression is their new tact....
OH PLEASE. It is well known that the dead rise to vote and all vote democrat. As do cartoon characters, aliens from outer space, illegal aliens, and entire rosters of football teams who are not even in the state in question.
And dems certainly redraw district lines when given the chance and the loony lackey judges they appoint demand that lines be redrawn to ensure that "minority" candidates are elected.
The dems are the political party that skin color, gender, and sexual preference be main factors in hiring, promotion, election, and every other facet of life. They reject MLK's ideas that a person should be judged based on his character rather than on the color of his skin.
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Back to these discontented few....I bet they believe they could take us. Their media favorites, FOX News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and *ugh* Levin, have convinced them of that. Douchebag McBeck has screamed for armed revolution. Some of you may recall that Elodin referred to Glenn Beck as someone who, "had journalistic integrity." /Elodin's judgement of character.
None of those folks have ever called for a revolution though no doubt your beloved Marxist stations have told you differently. Democrat sheeple. Heh.
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If these discontented few were serious about change in this country, they would embrace a constitutional amendment, not to ban abortion or gay marriage, those dumbasses, but to force federal elections to be publicly funded, no private financing. That is the only way you will have a chance of someone to actually vote their conscience in Washington (queue music from Mr. Smith Goes to Washington).
Sadly for you only 44% of the people who said a revoltion might be necessary were Republicans. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant.
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If they were serious, they would look at the equally discontented left and say, "You know. I like my brands and logos and all that, but I don't think it's a good idea that when a company becomes too big to fail, their execs become too big to jail, HSBC as the recent example. Ain't no justice if a suit can't go to jail. Maybe we should figure a way to reel'em in."
A lot of corporate CEOs have been sent to jail. But don't let that stop you from drinking the MSNBC koolaid.
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So yes, the poll is nonsense. Corporatism is a bigger threat to our liberty than do-gooder, liberal welfare cheats. I'd love to have a real conversation with my southern brothers and sisters about that. However, I can't seem to be able to get past their culturally approved first question, "So! Which church do you go to?"
Stealing from one person to "give" to another (welfare) is not being a "do-gooder." A do gooder practices charity. He gives from his own substance and of his own free will.
Yeah, those church goers practice charity whereas you demand welfare. There are certainly obvious differences in value that can inhibit communication.
However, I've never met anyone who leads off the conversation by asking what church I go to. More MSNBC kool-aide methinks.
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Elodin
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posted May 05, 2013 05:08 PM |
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A tiny percentage of americains are still dependents of violence, condone and believe it is part of their roots. Look at Elodin: all he blames Obama is about his lack of aggressive action, why don't bomb there, why not invade here, why health care, why cautious. Is like they think that the greatness of America is tied to its constant capability to put someone else on knees-preferably weak country but with lots of oil. This is a thing which europeans find for the least strange because it is very far from their daily preoccupations and aims.
I am sure America has much better to offer than make the news with its military parades.
Nah, I just don't drink the kool-aid of anti-Americans who say America is invading here, there, and everywhere for oil and all the while making up lies to justify the invasions.
I lead off the topic by saying "I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF AN ARMED REVOLUTION" in my first topic because I don't have to be a prophet to know certain people will not be truthful when saying things about me.
One of many things I blame Obama for is for saying to the Syrian regeime, "don't cross that red line" of use of chemical weapons and then backing down when the regime used chemical weapons. And yeah, I don't think the federal govenment has any right to force anyone to buy any private product. I believe in freedom, not tyranty. Irealize Marxists believe in an all powerful government but I don't share those beliefs.
Oh, and ummmmmm it does not seem to be unusual for some moron to rise out of Europe bent on world conquest so don't pretend Europe is a hippy place where people "make love not war."
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posted May 05, 2013 05:13 PM |
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@ Elodin
I for one have said the same thing...the night before I saw this thread. 
Here's the scoop from 1 of those rebels: It's quite simple really; that's what I believe it would "take" to put the country back into the hands of the people; our system is that corrupted.
Since a ten-year-old on the remote island of trymyghanja, knows that Corporations own this country; my response is nothing more than one of kneejerk-frustration about our current de-MOCKacracy. I do believe and follow you-know-who, so I'm not carrying any more "arms" than the two I have already have fixed on my torso. Of course, that's only one man's view but I imagine "most" of those folks would give the same explanation for their rebellious response.
Btw, that same kid overseas; knows our wonderful military industrial complex has fashioned a crowd control device that would turn him into incoherent human-jelly at a great distance; so...he/she would never volunteer to give a public demonstration.
<imo> The best gesture (bandage) our modern government could make...would be to "ask the people" if they would add ancient Athen's practice of Ostracism to our American political system. 
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posted May 05, 2013 05:43 PM |
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Edit: @Zenofex and how do you show you give a rats ass on events you've no influence upon?
What does that have to do with my post?
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posted May 05, 2013 05:57 PM |
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Now that I think about it, a war between american rebels and government supporters would actually be an amazingly cool setting for a Hollywood movie. It ends with the US becoming a semi-socialist country that ends up being even more totalitarian. The Syrian insurrection is already popcorn-worthy so there's a level of excitement to cash in on here.
you want to be a politician?
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Seraphim
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posted May 05, 2013 06:05 PM |
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Now that I think about it, a war between american rebels and government supporters would actually be an amazingly cool setting for a Hollywood movie. It ends with the US becoming a semi-socialist country that ends up being even more totalitarian. The Syrian insurrection is already popcorn-worthy so there's a level of excitement to cash in on here.
you want to be a politician?
More like a movie director
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artu
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posted May 06, 2013 01:55 AM |
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As the saying goes"Respect is earned not given" or "I dont mind and they dont matter".
Admiration is earned. Respect should be more like don't step on the grass please
But even for that, those people had to be here, and they're not. That is the root of the problem if you ask me. Even if I didn't respect some of your posts, while you're around, I would never kid around about what happened in the Balkans. That would be just.. I don't know, so assholish. But if you were just some data in a demographic sheet, I may have joked, who's hurt anyway… Now, imagine this internet site is the world in terms of people hearing about you. Do you have to earn it? When we don't know, we don't care. I'm no saint about this either. But it's not someone else's fault like "they didn't earn it".
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posted May 06, 2013 03:29 AM |
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Admiration is earned. Respect should be more like don't step on the grass please
But even for that, those people had to be here, and they're not. That is the root of the problem if you ask me. Even if I didn't respect some of your posts, while you're around, I would never kid around about what happened in the Balkans. That would be just.. I don't know, so assholish. But if you were just some data in a demographic sheet, I may have joked, who's hurt anyway… Now, imagine this internet site is the world in terms of people hearing about you. Do you have to earn it? When we don't know, we don't care. I'm no saint about this either. But it's not someone else's fault like "they didn't earn it".
You have different definition of respect than I do. In some sources, Admiration is Synonymous to Respect.
However, I understand what you mean but pity is given to people who suffer, respect is a different matter.
I certainly would not mind if you said "Its probably for the better that people died in the balkans" or something like that.
I understand your point that people should show a minimum ammount of decency towards other, but that is something personal and you cant force people to show decency or respect.
Having some human dignity or decency and demanding it from others collieds with free speech and free speech is used when someone jokes on dead people, throws a bunch of insults and pretends nothing happend, is snide and so on. Freespeech takes precendency over dignity and respect unless insulting others and throwing neo-nazi slurs.
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artu
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posted May 06, 2013 03:56 AM |
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I certainly would not mind if you said "Its probably for the better that people died in the balkans" or something like that.
I understand your point that people should show a minimum ammount of decency towards other, but that is something personal and you cant force people to show decency or respect.
I was not talking about forcing anything, I was talking about a situation. Let me ask you this way, imagine we had 2 members from Syria, 3 members from Iraq, 2 members from Iran in here. Don't you think the way we discuss things would have changed? You put a video on Israel, you discuss it with Geny, it's not like reading the paper about Israel, is it?
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Seraphim
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posted May 06, 2013 04:39 AM |
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I was not talking about forcing anything, I was talking about a situation. Let me ask you this way, imagine we had 2 members from Syria, 3 members from Iraq, 2 members from Iran in here. Don't you think the way we discuss things would have changed? You put a video on Israel, you discuss it with Geny, it's not like reading the paper about Israel, is it?
That would be just because of false pretense. If people dont care, they dont and people should be allowed to say what they want as long as it is not an insult.
In your example, yes, those guys would probably change the way we talk about say iran, syria and iraq but they would not change the way people think about these issues.
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artu
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posted May 06, 2013 04:47 AM |
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That's where we differ then, I'd say it wouldn't just create a difference of being polite or diplomatic. Actual people always change the way you look at things, no matter how much you read about it.
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