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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 14, 2013 10:23 PM |
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I think it depends on how excessive it is. The level of surveillance Seraphim promotes is distopian to me.
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted July 14, 2013 10:25 PM |
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Seraphim,the problem with surveilance is not only the personal peace and intimacy.
The problem gets bigger when everybody can see your credit card number,IDs and everything,which could be used against you by many legal or illegal means.
I suppose you just don't have the slightest idea what condition the law system had been,is and will be in the future.
Further more,banks will own everything in the future,if the debt trends go on the same way.Banks will surveil you and your every move.
You will be guilty until proven otherwise.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted July 14, 2013 10:30 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Seraphim:
If anonymity in forums went away, a lot of people (myself included) would stop posting.
Except you use a variant of your real name as your online handle. 
Well, I destroyed my anonymity a long time ago through my HoMM maps, so... what can you do?
I guess if I ever run for President, the news media will have a field day. 
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 10:33 PM |
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As long as forums are moderated (Corribus is the man), anonymity is quite awesome. You can talk without compromising your job. Sometimes your personal opinions don't go hand in hand with your work.
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Elodin
Promising
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Free Thinker
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posted July 14, 2013 10:38 PM |
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Seraphim said:
Control is the means to a stable society. In the future, nothing will be without any surveilance and with surveilance, crime, inequality will disappear.
With such surveillance as is going on today liberty disappears. The government continues to prove it can and will abuse its power. The people need a small and unobtrusive power if they wish to keep their freedom.
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Revelation
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 10:41 PM |
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Seraphim said:
I strongly believe that the future will be like that and everything will be under surveilance. In order for the greater good to be unfold for everybody, nearly everybody must give up something for a better life.
I think its already happening and its only going to get more apparent.
what are you talking about? it's only in order to protect a minority of very rich people, who of course, will be the only one to not be under any kind of surveillance.
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Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
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posted July 14, 2013 10:43 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 22:50, 14 Jul 2013.
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Speaking about politics, the Zimmerman trial that just concluded is a fine example of a political trial. The left-wing media continually insinuated that Zimmerman was guilty and continues to do so after the trial, where Zimmerman was found innocent.
Further, the president says he honors Martin, the man the jury says Zimmerman killed in self-defense, and the NAACP is calling for Zimmerman to be tried on other charges.
Edit: Obama's words after the verdict.
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Obama said in closing his statement that Americans asking "ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this" is one way "to honor Trayvon Martin."
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Seraphim
Supreme Hero
Knowledge Reaper
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posted July 14, 2013 10:48 PM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 22:56, 14 Jul 2013.
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Fauch said:
Seraphim said:
I strongly believe that the future will be like that and everything will be under surveilance. In order for the greater good to be unfold for everybody, nearly everybody must give up something for a better life.
I think its already happening and its only going to get more apparent.
what are you talking about? it's only in order to protect a minority of very rich people, who of course, will be the only one to not be under any kind of surveillance.
If the rich get under surveilance and everything gets public about what they own and how they owned it, things would be much more better.
As I said, people should give up their privacy if they want positions of power.
I do not suggest constant surveilance inside homes and so on, but when it comes to work, business, outside activities then yes.
And no, credit card numbers, paswords and so on should remain personal, if possible.
Ulitarianism is flawed but at leaset I believe that the removal of crime and corruption, at least in the goverment, would be at the interest of the many.
mvassilev said:
Seraphim:
If anonymity in forums went away, a lot of people (myself included) would stop posting. Nothing I post at HC is illegal, but I still wouldn't want just anyone to be able to see it and connect it to me. Privacy and anonymity are great things. People value privacy - being watched makes them uncomfortable. It could even be said that civilization itself is a progress of society towards privacy.
Thats true and I agree. I only took the example about internet anonymity in cases where forums are unsupervised and prone to abuse. I too would not want my name to float around the internet and become the target of somebody who would stage an attack or harassment against me.
As for utilitarianism, it's a fundamentally flawed system because there is no objective way of weigI
Thats true, but I think we can all agree that corruption and theft is bad for the most and that it must disappear for a greater good.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted July 14, 2013 10:50 PM |
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Case should never have been brought to trial. It was 100% race-baiting, and the media continues to feed into it.
At the least Zimmerman has legitimate cause to sue NBC (IMO) for purposely and maliciously editing 911 tapes to make Zimmerman look like a racist.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 10:55 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:58, 14 Jul 2013.
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Giving government more power, like allowing mass surveillance, does nothing but increase corruption.
As for anonymity, I think it's overrated. I have faced no problems debating on politically incorrect forums with my real name while being part of my country's political establishment at the same time. I encourage others to do the same thing in order to thin the gap between politicans and populace.
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Over himself, over his own
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 10:56 PM |
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as well as a way to hold them responsible, judge them, and punish them if necessary.
but why would we need to spy on everyone?
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 11:00 PM |
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as well as a way to hold them responsible, judge them, and punish them if necessary.
good luck doing this when the people ordering the mass surveillance are the corrupted
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Over himself, over his own
body and
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- John Stuart Mill
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 14, 2013 11:09 PM |
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Your problem is, that you don't get, that being caught at taking money from corp X to do Y for X is WAY more awkward than being watched when having sex or taking recreational drugs in your spare time.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 14, 2013 11:14 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Your problem is, that you don't get, that being caught at taking money from corp X to do Y for X is WAY more awkward than being watched when having sex or taking recreational drugs in your spare time.
According to who? Totally subjective, I can imagine a lot of people who would prefer to be filmed during they're stealing instead of having sex. Especially if they belong to a rather conservative culture.
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mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2013 09:44 PM |
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted September 14, 2013 11:14 PM |
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mvassilev said:
Had a hard time deciding whether to post this in Funny Links or here, but it belongs here more.
Help Kickstart World War III
Hehehe...
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted September 17, 2013 08:40 AM |
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This is what America should be all about and it is guys like this guy who help regain a little international respect for the US.
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Tsar-Ivor
Promising
Legendary Hero
Scourge of God
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posted September 18, 2013 03:35 PM |
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I was writing an essay on America's separation of powers, and whether checks and balances hinder government. Before I began I already made up my mind that the answer is "but of course it does", but now after hours and hours of independent study I think I see the glorious intelligence of the founding fathers.
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"No laughs were had. There is only shame and sadness." Jenny
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 04:14 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 16:14, 18 Sep 2013.
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I've actually become more understanding of the two-party system after seeing how you are required to vote for the party line in other systems. There is no individualism.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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- John Stuart Mill
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mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 05:36 PM |
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Not much individualism in a two-party system either. Most of the time, everyone follows the party line.
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