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Kipshasz
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posted March 18, 2019 08:21 AM |
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Last season will be a fanservice galore, confirming even more bullcrap fan theories.
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artu
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posted April 29, 2019 05:40 PM |
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Lol at this comment from reddit:
- s08e03 was the most expensive audio book I’ve ever seen.
The whole battle was literally too dark to see, maybe I should have waited for night time and closed the lights or something.
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Drakon-Deus 
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posted April 29, 2019 06:17 PM |
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Lol, I'm glad others noticed that, at first I thought it was a display problem on my part. I know it was called "The long night", but still... 
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Elvin
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posted April 29, 2019 09:30 PM |
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That was a fun episode, I thought it was a bit long to be focused on just battle but they kept a decent balance throughout. The whole thing reminded me of a dream where me and a couple of companions were being overwhelmed by zombies in great numbers while I was using a stiletto with a chance of insta-killing zombies ^^
Drogon uses flamethrower. It is not very effective 
Lyanna was badass as expected.
Dothraki charge with flaming weapons. Yeeah ^^
Night king uses raise dead. Where were the defenseless hiding again?
Loved the hide and seek.
I'd expected the Arya sub-plot as I randomly decided to check her first meeting with Melissandre before watching the episode. Turned out pretty relevant after all.
Still.. All of them? Even the generals? Too easy..
What exactly was Jon doing challenging the dragon openly?
For that matter, what was Bran doing? Just.. scouting around?
Byebye Theon.
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blob2
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posted April 29, 2019 10:26 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 22:33, 29 Apr 2019.
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Elvin said:
Drogon uses flamethrower. It is not very effective
Yeah wtf? Did they explain it somehow? Frost Armor?
Elvin said:
Dothraki charge with flaming weapons. Yeeah ^^
It was epic, the charge and all. Really showed how snowed up the living were. Notice how they mowed down through Lannisters a few episodes back, this time they were literally destroyed and runned with their tails between their legs.
Elvin said:
I'd expected the Arya sub-plot as I randomly decided to check her first meeting with Melissandre before watching the episode. Turned out pretty relevant after all.
That was actually pretty Game-of-throny. Everyone expected Jon to finish the baddy, but Arya being probably the most badass character in the show (I watched her practice duel with Brianne at leats 6 times) was a good pick. The whole build-up was also legit: Brann "baiting" the NK, the guy thinking he won with a smirk, and Arya killing him off with the Dagger that goes as far as being a weapon Brann was supposed to be killed with back in season 1...
Elvin said:
Still.. All of them? Even the generals? Too easy..
Well, he did create them all. In fantasy settings armies of undead usually work in a way that if the one controlling the magic dies, so does his spell. See Tomb Kings in Warhammer for instance. And it's still better then using some deus ex machina in a form of anti-undead nuke spell or sth.
Elvin said:
What exactly was Jon doing challenging the dragon openly?
Either he was desperate or the Dragon kept him from advancing...
Elvin said:
For that matter, what was Bran doing? Just.. scouting around?
Like I said, probably baiting the Night King. As a seer, he knew what was coming. If you think about it they couldn't do it in any other way. They needed to take the NK off-guard.
Elvin said:
Byebye Theon.
Yeah, also bye bye Jorah and Beric. But good news everyone! It seems two Dragons survived (just to be killed off by Cersei I assume...)
All in all this was a really good and epic episode. It might have been made in milion different ways, the good guys should've had their asses kicked less imo, but I'm really satisfied with the overall outcome.
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Elvin
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posted April 29, 2019 10:32 PM |
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blob2 said:
Yeah wtf? Did they explain it somehow? Frost Armor?
Ice ice baby!
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artu
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posted April 29, 2019 11:55 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:57, 29 Apr 2019.
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blob2 said:
All in all this was a really good and epic episode. It might have been made in milion different ways, the good guys should've had their asses kicked less imo, but I'm really satisfied with the overall outcome.
It was not horrible if you put aside the darkness but really, good guys getting their ass LESS kicked? The whole suspense element in GOT was that it used to be, anybody could die any moment. And now for the last 2 seasons or so, no major “good guy” die, instead, it’s your typical Hollywood formula: they survive in the very last moment against all odds all the time: If there were 10 time bombs in this episode, all 10 would have been defused precisely when their counters were at 00:00:01! The show is still above a certain standard but it’s not what it used to be.
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blob2
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posted April 30, 2019 12:49 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:58, 30 Apr 2019.
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It's funny how in many peoples eyes the show turned out to be a "who will die next" guess-game instead of a fantasy epic, which it is at its core. People are literally crying not too many important people died in the battle, which is pathetic. Not knowing if they will live or not is also a part of the suspense.
Firstly, we still have 3 more episodes to go. And another huge battle which will probably take more "good guy" lives. Secondly, a fantasy epic needs to be wrapped up with caution, killing off favorites too early would anger many people. Besides, most of the characters already went through snow, The Long Night being another ordeal (just look how beat up most of them were left), what more do you want? For every person who would like to see characters killed off, there are many others who would rather they survived.
The hype was big, and they delivered. They prolonged the moment of victory so long that I literally thought they wouldn't make it, Hollywood or not.
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artu
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posted April 30, 2019 07:56 AM |
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Edited by artu at 07:58, 30 Apr 2019.
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No, it wasnt about a guessing game, it was about the realistic approach. Instead of “good guys” and bad, there were shades of gray, temporary alliances, backstabbing, chess moves, which is what actual history consists of. That was the crucial difference between LOTR and GoT and it now seems to fade away.
Let me give you a Martin quote, maybe the problem is that it’s not him who writes the show anymore:
“I admire Tolkien greatly. His books had enormous influence on me. And the trope that he sort of established—the idea of the Dark Lord and his Evil Minions—in the hands of lesser writers over the years and decades has not served the genre well. It has been beaten to death. The battle of good and evil is a great subject for any book and certainly for a fantasy book, but I think ultimately the battle between good and evil is weighed within the individual human heart and not necessarily between an army of people dressed in white and an army of people dressed in black. When I look at the world, I see that most real living breathing human beings are grey.”
When there are shades of gray and when “good guys” dont make it against all odds every time, anybody can get killed anytime. It’s an outcome, not the purpose.
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Elvin
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posted April 30, 2019 08:54 AM |
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They got off too light if you ask me. I mean lots of nameless people died but nobody cares about those. It's like they are conserving their remaining characters because the season is barely halfway through.
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blob2
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posted April 30, 2019 11:31 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 11:41, 30 Apr 2019.
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artu said:
No, it wasnt about a guessing game, it was about the realistic approach. Instead of “good guys” and bad, there were shades of gray, temporary alliances, backstabbing, chess moves, which is what actual history consists of. That was the crucial difference between LOTR and GoT and it now seems to fade away.
Well we did get those. The scope is only bigger now. The whole small "backstabbing" thing was there because Westeros had a couple of chess players (most of who are dead now) wanting the throne. They ignored the White Walker threat and fought their petty squabbles. And what do you call Cerseis actions if "not backstabbing"? Or Jaimie switching sides and revealing her plot? Now, because alliances were made in order to defeat White Walkers the number of players were reduced: they either joined in or are dead. I don't know what do you actually want from the series now? They would need to add new characters, but because they discarded some to streamline the tv series, we didn't for instance get that other pretender: Aegon Targaryen who still lives in the books (who Martin might actually kill-off either way, but who knows).
I can also partly agree that maybe it was "too soft" on the good guys, but I have a hunch that the real "fun" will start now. I say: lets wait and see until the end to make judgements.
PS: Psst, here is the alternative ending:
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The_Green_Drag
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posted April 30, 2019 06:48 PM |
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Glad to get an episode consisting of nothing but a battle. It was definitely an epic battle full of really great shots. The lighting was getting annoying. I couldn’t really see what was going on during certain parts. It was very suspenseful for some characters and the ending kill took me by surprise. Still, my friends and I were kinda unsure about it when it ended. After i slept on it and watched it again I’m less impressed. Again, the battle itself was badass and had a lot of really cool moments and great visuals, but the writing was just bad.
The battle tactics were pretty stupid. Why did the Dothraki charge into the army that they knew greatly outnumbered them?? The trebuchets were used during that charge AND ONLY during that charge. Also because of that charge Dani has to break from her and Jon’s plan to flank the night king together. What’s the point of those war room scenes and making a plan when they do stupid crap like that right out of the gates...
Now that first wave of wights was legit jaw dropping and terrifying. I thought everyone just got obliterated with the way the wave of zombies completely swarmed the ground troops. Brie of Tarth got overwhelmed so fast and yet somehow makes it out cause I guess these zombies just grab a hold of people and shake them to death. One out of every ten has a weapon? It was all suspenseful the first time but after knowing hardly anyone dies just makes it dull the second time. Didn’t have a GoT feel to it.
The final conclusion wasn’t a bad choice, but I don’t like how it was executed. Jon and the Night king should have had a fight. We coulda got a better idea on how Arya was there and where she jumped from. It woulda taken some of the suspense away but as far as I can tell, she used Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak to get past everyone and then did a force jump onto the Night King. He was just too big a villain that’s been set up for so long, been a major part of Bran and Jon’s story line, and I feel like Arya jumping in to kill him without the help of either of them was too rushed. Sure, Bran lured him out I guess. We’ve been watching his warg powers grow only to see him scout around a bit as ravens for this huge battle...
And finally the complete lack of actual white walkers was ridiculous. IIRC they mined all that dragon glass to be used against the white walkers. And the wight zombies can be hurt by regular weapons. I hope I’m wrong because if not, why did nobody fight a single white walker?? For such an epic battle I would have wanted to see a few entertaining duels. All the dragon stuff was really cool and the use of fire magic was unexpected and clever. It’s such a well directed and visually stunning battle, but the writing weighs it down so much for me.
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Elvin
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posted May 03, 2019 09:49 PM |
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blob2
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posted May 04, 2019 12:35 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:38, 04 May 2019.
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The_Green_Drag said:
Why did the Dothraki charge into the army that they knew greatly outnumbered them??
I think the scene was meant to show that the Dothraki charge which so far has devasted their enemies (first one Mereen, second time against Lannister army) was quickly pacified. It was there to intensify the sense of dread.
The_Green_Drag said:
The trebuchets were used during that charge AND ONLY during that charge.
Well the Dead didn't actually give them that much time to shoot after the charge.
The_Green_Drag said:
Also because of that charge Dani has to break from her and Jon’s plan to flank the night king together. What’s the point of those war room scenes and making a plan when they do stupid crap like that right out of the gates...
As with every battle in history it is easy to judge it from a distance. When you see everything. They didn't know the enemy that much. Only bits and pieces. It was dark. They made preperations, but it was not enough. They made mistakes. It's the normal flow of a battle when chaos occurs. Imo their biggest mistake was that the fire barrier was to thin, they should've made it thicker. They probably thought just creating fire was enough to keep them at a distance.
The_Green_Drag said:
It was all suspenseful the first time but after knowing hardly anyone dies just makes it dull the second time.
That's how movies usually work, no?
The_Green_Drag said:
she used Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak to get past everyone and then did a force jump onto the Night King. He was just too big a villain that’s been set up for so long, been a major part of Bran and Jon’s story line, and I feel like Arya jumping in to kill him without the help of either of them was too rushed.
That is what the library scene was for: to show that she can move as silently as to even outmanoeuvre the Dead which supposedly react to sound.
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And finally the complete lack of actual white walkers was ridiculous. IIRC they mined all that dragon glass to be used against the white walkers.
And why should they fight? They have a throng of disposable troops. Why would they even have a need to take to the field? I assume, that is why Brann was critical for the success. NK wouldn't even go out of his way to join the fight if it weren't for the joy of destroying one of the last remnants of his past. Notice how he didn't appear until Brann baited him. It was shown plain as day that his arrogance is what was his downfall.
Btw I also like how people criticize the fact that civilians were kept in the Crypt. Question: And where should they have kept them? Is there any particulary safer place in the premise of Winterfell? Besides did they actually know the range of NK "Resurrect" spell?
Look, I understand you're dissatisfied with this episode, many people are, but, and this is not directed to you in any way but rather to critics in general, aren't everyone being a bit too nitpicky about this? Because people imagined it differently now they are simply looking for a hole in the bucket.
Let's wait and see the what will the last 3 episodes bring. Keep in mind that the general outcome is apparently in accordance with what Martin has laid out. We will probably never now the truth now, as he will change the "script" to appease the fans, he will know their reactions. He will be the one to say "hey look, my version is better, the TV series creators had their own ideas blah blah..." at the end.
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friendofgunnar
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posted May 06, 2019 04:36 AM |
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ZOMG there's so much stupid in this latest episode I can't even take it seriously anymore.
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Elvin
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posted May 06, 2019 07:36 AM |
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Yes, game of thrones has removed the viewing requirement of a switched on brain by now.
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Kipshasz
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posted May 06, 2019 07:48 AM |
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Edited by Kipshasz at 10:55, 06 May 2019.
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You're wrong Blob on one aspect. Games of thrones, both book and show are not a fantasy epic as it's core. it's a political thriller set in a fantasy world. the show only took some certain aspects of an epic in the last few seasons with the westerosi lich night king as the 'dark lord' for the series. besides that the show os still a massive clusterbleep of political intrigue.
Kinda like what Simon Green's "Deathstalker" series is to the now rebranded and castrated Star Soy Wars, only much less retarded in some aspects of it's worldbuilding (like the planet of murderous robots that are made to the likeness of children's cartoon characters in one of the Deathstalker books. Give a read to the series, it is kinda like those so bad it's good B movies.)
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artu
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posted May 06, 2019 10:23 AM |
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The Green Drag:
- Why did the Dothraki charge into the army that they knew greatly outnumbered them??
Blob2:
- I think the scene was meant to show that the Dothraki charge which so far has devasted their enemies (first one Mereen, second time against Lannister army) was quickly pacified. It was there to intensify the sense of dread.
I think you are missing the point of the objection, the intented effect was indeed to intensify the dread and make the audience see how deadly the enemy was. He’s saying why did they choose such an unbelievable tactic just for the sake of the effect. Like in bad war movies, enemy soldiers charging straight into open fire in order to “intensify” the terror of battle.
This is a wrong analysis of the tactic though and in this case, the criticism is unfair. You charge cavalry into infantry to trim out their numbers, it is the major advantage of having cavalry: to be able to charge them into infantry. Were they supposed to wait indoors? The most effective way, the only effective way to use them was how it was done. On an open field battle, you charge them and support them with cannons (tribuchets) so that they are able to take out as many infantry as they can before opposing armies clash into each other. Keep in mind this was an open field battle, not a siege. Under siege, the point of staying indoors is to outstand the enemy and have them tired, out of food and demoralized. This is a moot point when the enemy is the undead.
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Elvin
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posted May 06, 2019 10:36 AM |
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Eh.. No. A cavalry charge is for breaking formations and the mass of undead don't really care. It's not like a classic epic where a hero rider passes through the enemies, hacking a glorious path open. But circling around or flanking the enemy forces to strike and retreat should be possible.
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artu
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posted May 06, 2019 01:00 PM |
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You break their formations to trim them out easier. The formations are "firewalls" that block you, preventing you to crash more. Just think of war elephants, they were the perfect animal for the direct charge tactic I'm talking about.
Flanking is also an option depending on the shape of their formation but this was cavalry + artillery against marching (about to march) enemy formation.
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