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Thread: Game Of Thrones Discussion ~ *OURS* is the fury This thread is 28 pages long: 1 10 ... 16 17 18 19 20 ... 28 · «PREV / NEXT»
artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 07, 2019 05:02 PM
Edited by artu at 17:03, 07 May 2019.

blob2 said:
Ok Guys, assuming you would debunk my each and every argument (I'm not a specialist, so I might be wrong ofc): lets take that she decides to attack the fleet, I can already imagine the hate this scene would get "blah blah plot armor, not even one projectile hit her blah blah".

Just think about it... we can already see the silliness this show is generating already with all the "medieval-military-specialist analyzes the battle in Long Night" articles.

Let's keep going:
- how can Danaerys ride a Dragon in cold winds without any protection at this speed? It would literally peel of her skin.
- what about dragon fuel, do they not tire? How can a dragon produce so much fire in one battle?
- why is Greyjoys ship even moving? Its hull is made from a metal Kraken

etc. but what is the point, I don't understand...

Dude, nobody expects fantasy fiction to be one hundred percent accurate or realistic when it comes to such details. But this “license to bullsnow” has its limits. You know why, you see the dramatic effect that you speak of, its first rule is to be convincing, dramatic effect wont have any impact if people’s reaction to a behavior is “why on earth would someone do that?” In a zombie show, for instance, it is one thing to ask “how zombies can exist” which would be breaking the deal, it is another thing to ask “but why didnt they take that truck to escape, it was so easy.” Believability is not necessarily hardcore realism, it is just that things have to make sense.
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posted May 07, 2019 06:28 PM
Edited by blob2 at 18:55, 07 May 2019.

artu said:
Dude, nobody expects fantasy fiction to be one hundred percent accurate or realistic when it comes to such details.


Strange, because I'm getting quite the opposite impression. People are treating the series way too seriously now. Me and my friends or whoever I ask personally is quite pleased with the show, but when you open the internet it's just a festival of silly accusations. It has become trendy to criticize everything, and the "coffee cup" moment is the epitome of that.

And the funny thing is that they (some critics) don't know what they want themselves. I read one review in which a guy criticizes how easy the Dragons were killed off so far ("what's the point of them?" he asks), yet in the same review he praises how the "series of old killed off characters easily and unexpectidly" yet in the same article criticizes how the Night King was "killed off too easily". Sheesh.

People are trashing the series, yet if you ask them why do they watch it then they're like "it would be silly to drop it now". Yeah right. If you criticize core elements of the plot it has become quite apparent you already dislike the show, and you use the age old "it was better in the past" argument. It was not. There were cool scenes, but at the same time there were bad decisions, wtf moments or elements of the story were simply cut off from the books. Things were boring as f* on occasions. Besides there are parts of the books which I simply wanted to skip when I read them and thank the heavens those were cut off from the TV series. I prefer the current pacing over it.

Could it have been done better? Probably yes. But I enjoy what the writers managed to pull off on their own so far.

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The_Green_Drag
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posted May 07, 2019 06:40 PM

@blob

Thanks for the reply to my post on episode 3. Didnt see your response until now, but ill just agree to disagree here so we can keep the thread up to date


Episode 4 was decent. I like how fast the scheming starts back up. My memory of certain seasons is foggy. I can't remember why Tyrion is so loyal to Dani. What did he do for her again, or other way around maybe? But either way I like the growing conflict between Dani and Jon. If Cersi dies next episode and Dani is the final boss of the series then that'd be awesome

I CANNOT believe Ghost got disrespected like that. Not even a pat on the head for being such a good boy. That'll probably be the last of any Dire wolf stuff. If Nympheria didn't help during last weeks fight I don't see her coming back at all.

The Dragon's death was certainly a surprise. I'm not crazy on it going out like that. It's weird to think they wouldn't have seen the ships before being hit in the chest by the balliste. I would agree with them not expecting any dragon weapons, but we saw them already when she attacked the Lannisters in the battle last season. We were with Bronn when he tried shooting at Dani. And even if that didn't happen, we can assume there are spies in Kings landing giving information to Verys and Tyrion. How else would they already know that Cersi is pregnant?? Those Balliste aren't exactly hidden so their defenses should at least be part of the spy report, right?

Totally thought Millesandre (probably butchered that) was gonna get pushed off the wall at the end! Greyworm's reaction means NOTHING to me...he should be dead already

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posted May 07, 2019 06:43 PM
Edited by blob2 at 18:58, 07 May 2019.

The_Green_Drag said:
How else would they already know that Cersi is pregnant?? Those Balliste aren't exactly hidden so their defenses should at least be part of the spy report, right?


Umm, she told Jaime back in Kings Landing, so he probably told Tyrion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u74ZVazUPqU

PS: Btw, I asked my writer friend (she writes various articles for news portals) why is that people like to write such one-sided reviews, especially for popular shows? She told me that it simply solds better...

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posted May 07, 2019 06:59 PM

blob2 said:


Umm, she told Jaime back in Kings Landing, so he probably told Tyrion.



True that. Question still remains though, how did they not know to expect anti dragon weapons? She's not much further along in the pregnancy since that scene you just showed so all those weapons couldn't have been built after Jamie left.

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posted May 07, 2019 07:20 PM

The series used to be far better in terms of writing. The big screw ups started when they went past the book content, earlier seasons did not break my immersion or give me facepalms. Now it's possible that the responsibility lies with the author but I personally doubt that. He's been meticulous about the plot before and now it feels half-baked.

Recent seasons have the advantage of glorious visuals and longer, more epic scenes. But the disbelief level has been steadily increasing, even spiking sharply at times. I will even defend rule of cool and style over substance scenes but some things are just cheap.
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posted May 07, 2019 07:45 PM
Edited by Geny at 19:56, 07 May 2019.

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Strange, because I'm getting quite the opposite impression. People are treating the series way too seriously now.

I've been thinking why I started criticizing it so much and noticing a lot of small things. I realized that it's just a symptom of me being disappointed in the show. It's still good, I still enjoy watching it, but I feel that it used to be a lot better because it used to be unique. And so once I felt that the show stopped delivering what I really wanted on the whole I instinctively started looking for smaller grievances as well.
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posted May 07, 2019 07:51 PM
Edited by blob2 at 20:01, 07 May 2019.

Elvin said:
The series used to be far better in terms of writing. The big screw ups started when they went past the book content, earlier seasons did not break my immersion or give me facepalms. Now it's possible that the responsibility lies with the author but I personally doubt that. He's been meticulous about the plot before and now it feels half-baked.


Well true dat. I'm not exactly happy with how some of the story arcs in the TV series worked out after going past the books either, but I don't think Martin is a guru and he might screw up one way or another also (for example the whole Tyrion travels through Essos chapters are simply irritating and disrespectful for the character). But what I dislike even more is the "I hate how the series turned out (as in: not what I imagined) so I will nitpick on everything" which some people I see in the internet appear to be doing. More people are picking it up and the carousel is turning even faster.

EDIT: Good reflexion Elvin, I think that is one of the reasons for the negativity. Alas many people seem to be overreacting.

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posted May 07, 2019 08:16 PM
Edited by artu at 20:17, 07 May 2019.

The edit part in your reply is probably to Geny, not Elvin. They use the same avatar  because... they are funny like that.
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posted May 07, 2019 08:19 PM

artu said:
The edit part in your reply is probably to Geny, not Elvin. They use the same avatar  because... they are funny like that.


And don't forget the same custom status and signature. Easy to get confused.

Regarding GoT, this last season may not be what some of us expected, but I think this is the only conclusion to the series that we're going to get anytime soon. I mean, for a while I avoided the show and I kept waiting for GRRM to finish the next volumes, and still nothing.

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posted May 07, 2019 08:43 PM
Edited by blob2 at 20:47, 07 May 2019.

artu said:
The edit part in your reply is probably to Geny, not Elvin. They use the same avatar  because... they are funny like that.


Ah yes that is correct Artu, and yes it's confusing.

Very funny indeed Guys, har har.

I wonder if I can use gifs as avatars or signatures, I would like to use this:


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posted May 07, 2019 08:59 PM

We are bonded like that you mean.
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posted May 07, 2019 09:00 PM

You can use gifs as avatars as long as they are within the size and dimension limits (check either the FAQ or the avatar upload thread for those) and if there is someone to upload it.
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posted May 07, 2019 09:22 PM

Geny said:
You can use gifs as avatars as long as they are within the size and dimension limits (check either the FAQ or the avatar upload thread for those) and if there is someone to upload it.


Nah, I don't want to trade my picture for the bug

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posted May 08, 2019 10:54 PM
Edited by Elvin at 23:01, 08 May 2019.

This guy is a bit more critical than most but he makes good points on why the earlier seasons were good and the past couple have gotten gradually disappointing.

And one in less critical tone.
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posted May 08, 2019 11:29 PM
Edited by blob2 at 23:31, 08 May 2019.

Elvin said:
This guy is a bit more critical than most but he makes good points on why the earlier seasons were good and the past couple have gotten gradually disappointing.


No sorry, I only endured 2 minutes of this douche's hangover voice...

*Tyrions blargh

PS: Oh wait, he's called "Critical Drinker", lol

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posted May 08, 2019 11:46 PM

If I was to point to one place where it all started going wrong it would be when Littlefinger handed over Sansa to marry Ramsay Bolton, which coincidentally was right around when the series started going off-book.  Littlefinger's one driving force in his life was his love for Caitlynn (both before and after she married Ned Stark).  Denied this he settled for the next best thing, which was to try to woo Caitlynn's daughter via Stockholm Syndrome.  Handing her over to the monster Ramsay was the absolute last thing in the world he would have done.  

It gets worse than that though.  After Littlefinger pushed Lyanna out the moon door they did this nice shot of Sansa confidently walking down the stairs in this wicked cool bird-inspired dress.  This was her coming out party as she entered the game of thrones.  

Then when dumb and dumber started writing the story she meekly reverted to somebody that was being manipulated by the people around her, acquiescing to the marriage to the snow son of a Karstark who had taken over the Stark family home.  Seriously WTF?  It turns out that entire fabricated plot line was unnecessary as well because it had nothing to do with Ramsay's eventual downfall.

I was thinking of doing a really long qp-length post on the top ten stupid military things in the show post-book but honestly I'm just tired of thinking about it.  For all you people that actually still like the show enjoy your upcoming retarded Star Wars trilogy.  Peace out mother*******.

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posted May 09, 2019 10:48 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:09, 09 May 2019.

One of the things that strikes me the most with in the whole critic of the series is the "what is the point of x story element". A big chunk of comments I see about why "the Game of Thrones" of old was so good is it's realism. Well, in life most of the things we do are pointless, and only a handful of them has an actual meaning. I can ask this question about many things in GoT, and I'm talking books, but this is simply how the author envisioned them. For instance how Tyrion met Penny and was later forced to fight in a mock joust just for Martin to make the character even more miserable then he was at that point in time? I personally would throw away at least 1/3 of all story elements, and at least 30 characters from the book, but this is Martins work and he can drive the narrative however he likes, even when he starts to write a whole A4 page of text about how Lord X is related to Lady Y.

Yes, I agree Game of Thrones has been in decline since it's run out of book material. The drop in quality of writing is apparent. I won't deny that and I don't want to be seen as a blind fan of the show cus I'm not. But this is becoming silly. It shows how internet culture works as a parrot, instead of having their own opinions. When did this show become "hey let's find as many inconsistencies" to get back on the authors because I don't like the direction the show went.

For better or worse, it's still the best fantasy TV show you can find atm. Sorry if it's s*it for some of you.

Btw Sansas "coming out" for me is one of the greatest moments in character development in the entire series: a character which I hated with all my heart finally becomes someone less irritating then a mopping, aloof "lady". She started to be somewhat of a player. How she is depicted later on is a different matter. And I assume the point of "Ramsay plot" was to redeem Reek, plus it was worth it for the "hounds" moment.

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And friendofgunnar insinuating that I enjoy Johnson's Star Wars is something I take as an offence.

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posted May 09, 2019 09:02 PM

Nah, I'm talking about the Star Wars trilogy that D&D are slated for. This article tries to clarify whether the scheduled three movies are going to be D&D or Rian Johnson but Disney isn't saying.  I'm pretty sure the execs are waiting to see whether SW9 underperforms.  If that's the case they're prolly going to clean house and RJ is going to get tossed out as well.

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posted May 09, 2019 09:53 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:24, 09 May 2019.

friendofgunnar said:
I'm pretty sure the execs are waiting to see whether SW9 underperforms.  If that's the case they're prolly going to clean house and RJ is going to get tossed out as well.


I disliked TLJ, and I'm 100% the "new trilogy" will present the same level of cr*p: SJW values which Disney so eagerly pushes nowadays wherever it can. Johnson is the epitome of what todays cinema might turn into eventually.

Still if it's true about GoT helmers, then they also might not be the best choice...

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