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artu
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posted July 02, 2013 12:30 PM

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@ Artu

"It aint Blues man, iffin you aint feelin' up aginst-it...man" ... from Blind-Dog Markkur "on the road to Miss Sippi.


Dude, blues is both the name of a (sad) feeling and a genre that has to do with something beyond technique, both meanings can be used in a context such as "you ain't got the blues if it ain't comin' from inside" etc etc. But I don't think such talk necessarily refers to sadness all the time. They talk like that when they play Mannish Boy or some stomping Boogie Woogie too.

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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted July 02, 2013 12:37 PM

Artu, you were supposed to . You just heard my Mizzurah-drawl.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted July 02, 2013 12:51 PM

Oh, then. What is a Mizzurah-drawl btw? Googling it didn't help much.

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posted July 02, 2013 02:00 PM

I'm not fond of Classical music but I do like this piece by Michael Nyman, a 20th Century Classical composer who wrote music for the movie "The Piano"

The Promise - by Michael Nyman

I also like some other soundtrack music, many of which will no doubt be orchestral.
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Nitramar
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posted July 02, 2013 03:25 PM
Edited by Nitramar at 15:33, 02 Jul 2013.

I usually just lurk around here, but this thread inspired me to make my first post of the year .


I've loved jazz music since I was twelve or thirteen (that's almost a decade now). I've listened mostly to modern jazz (40's and later) but some of the earlier stuff as well. I'm also a self-educated (read: not great) trumpet player and something of a composer.

The thing is, I've listened almost exclusively to jazz and not to very much else and now I'd like to expand my musical horizons, mostly into classical music, but I find it hard to know where to start. So, I was wondering if any of you could give me any tips on what to listen to. I seem to prefer more modern composers (mid to late 19th century and later), perhaps because of my jazz roots, and for some reason I seem to like eastern European composers more than western ones. The main problem I have with finding new classical music is that there's so much of it, including different versions of the same pieces, and no way to know which version of which work is supposed to be good. With a jazz record, I can pretty much tell if I'm going to like it by just looking at the cover: what label, what year, who's playing, etc. I just don't have that kind of experience with classical yet and I'd like to get it .

Also, if any of you know any good recordings of traditional/folk music from around the world I'd be delighted to know. Especially if it's microtonal or otherwise "exotic" for someone from the western world. That's another field of music that I find hard to explore. I do have a couple of albums by Ravi Shankar that I like very much, but that's about it.

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posted July 02, 2013 03:33 PM

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Oh, then. What is a Mizzurah-drawl btw? Googling it didn't help much.


lol, he's saying "missouri" drawl. meaning, his state's accent.

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posted July 02, 2013 04:44 PM
Edited by markkur at 16:46, 02 Jul 2013.

@Nitramar

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I usually just lurk around here, but this thread inspired me to make my first post of the year .


Good to read-you again<L> my talented friend. (poetic by accident)


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something of a composer.


How's the composition for the movie coming along? Is that work still keeping you from your individual studio efforts?


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So, I was wondering if any of you could give me any tips on what to listen to. I seem to prefer more modern composers (mid to late 19th century and later), perhaps because of my jazz roots, and for some reason ... I just don't have that kind of experience with classical yet and I'd like to get it .


Anything I could share, you'll hear 100s of times, so a bit off-key ; ever listened to Trans Siberian Orc and their visionary blends of the old and new?

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...by Ravi Shankar that I like very much...


In my minds-eye, I can still see the man passionately singing Freedom at Woodstock.

@ artu

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Oh, then.


fred79 is correct, it's my "local lingo" for a broader, regional term.

My saying Miz-zur-rah instead of Mis-zur-ree irritates my wife; she's from Iowa and thinks it's poor "pro-nun-see-a-shun". But I'll turn it on sometimes...just for her enjoyment

@Damacon_Ace

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I also like some other soundtrack music


Besides Howards Shore's brilliant Lord of the Rings, I really like the Master & Commander soundtrack; it has some very good and diverse tracks. Smoke and oakum baby!

 
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Nitramar
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posted July 02, 2013 05:05 PM


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How's the composition for the movie coming along? Is that work still keeping you from your individual studio efforts?



Mostly yes, unfortunately. But I'm supposed to have it almost finished by this week actually ...so maybe I'll get it done in about a month .

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ever listened to Trans Siberian Orc and their visionary blends of the old and new?



Not yet, but I'll check it out, thanks

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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted July 12, 2013 03:20 PM

Btw, can any of you guys listen to Chinese music? I have never met anybody who likes Chinese music, ever. I've seen people listening to Fado, Balkans, Arabesque, Bluegrass, Tango, Flamenco... whatever.... not Chinese. No bass and almost always a repetitive melody, how can such a huge territory with so many people can produce such a boring repertoire?

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Nitramar
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posted July 12, 2013 10:56 PM

You're talking about traditional Chinese music, right? In my experience, old traditional music tends to be pretty "boring" in all cultures (few instruments, small ensembles, the same scales over and over again, etc.). I also have the feeling that many cultures have pretty strict rules when it comes to musical tradition. The function of music in cultures may also differ. I'm not sure if this kind of typical Chinese music is what even Chinese people themselves would actually prefer to listen to for fun or if it's just ceremonial/traditional/patriotic/whatever.

I have only a pretty vague idea of traditional Chinese music, but I don't remember having anything in particular against it. For me it's the kind of music that sounds good for like five seconds and then I've had enough. I have no idea what kind of contemporary music is being produced in China. Any links?

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posted July 12, 2013 11:19 PM
Edited by artu at 23:29, 12 Jul 2013.

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In my experience, old traditional music tends to be pretty "boring" in all cultures (few instruments, small ensembles, the same scales over and over again, etc.).


You say you play the trumpet and love jazz, 1920's New Orleans jazz is traditional music, tango is traditional music. I think the traditional music of Mediterranean, Latin American, Balkan, Russian, Irish, Afro-American people are quite good. It's almost always pentatonic but I especially love pentatonic music. Of course, if you mean medieval by traditional things change.

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Nitramar
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posted July 12, 2013 11:43 PM

That's why I said old traditional music. New Orleans Jazz was already influenced by a lot of newer styles, which weren't all that boring to begin with. Same with tango, etc. That to me is modern traditional music, and "less" traditional than... umm, traditional traditional music ?

But hey, what's the definition of traditional anyway? 100 years? Well defined structure? I don't know. Actually what I meant in that post was tradition in the sense of sticking with the old ways, dispite having the possibility of swithing to more powerful tools. Early jazz definately picked the best of all influencing styles, the most convenient instruments and so on. New Orleans Jazz is now traditional because it doesn't make use of the new innovations from swing, bebop, free or other styles (ok, I'm sure some of today's trad. jazz does but the distilled original style doesn't).

I mentioned some characteristics of what I call traditional music; the more  of those characteristics are present, the more traditional I find it. So, to me, New Orleans Jazz is more traditional than Weather Report, but it's also less traditional than Chinese music that might not have changed much in centuries.

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posted July 12, 2013 11:54 PM
Edited by artu at 23:55, 12 Jul 2013.

Well, I didn't compare Chinese music from 1912 to Chinese music from 1955, but there is something you can identify as Chinese folk music when you hear it, and as of now, I never witnessed anybody listening to it. This seems interesting to me because, as I stated earlier, it is not some obscure island in the middle of nowhere or some European state with a population of 600.000 but a huge country with the biggest population on earth.

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Nitramar
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posted July 13, 2013 12:25 AM

It is interseting, I agree. I haven't met anyone who liked it either, although admittedly, I haven't really tried either.

I think Chinese culture is still pretty different from what we are used to, maybe we just don't understand what their music is supposed to be about. I know people understand music very differently: some people see emotions and landscapes in it, some just use it for background noise and some enjoy the atcual raw musical qualities.

But clearly, it seems like the size or location of the music's population of origin isn't such an important factor in determining whether the music becomes succesful or not. For example, Jamaica has a population of less than 3 million...

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artu
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posted July 13, 2013 12:40 AM
Edited by artu at 00:42, 13 Jul 2013.

Yes, but Jamaican music is heavily influenced by Afro- American music, early recordings of Bob Marley are Soul and R&B. I consider it an extension of American music. Cultural dominance is of course much more important than plain population when it comes to popularity.

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posted July 21, 2013 11:16 PM

mvassilev said:
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Ugh, I know attention span of people are getting shorter generation by generation and this is not the age of 1500 page novels, still don't you think that's a little extreme?
Music isn't like novels. Novels have a plot, and if you jump around, they usually don't make much sense. (If you can skip 200 pages in a novel and still understand everything that's going on, the novel is poorly written.) But with music, you can listen to the good parts without needing to listen to the less interesting parts in between.


That is quite possibly the biggest load of crap I have ever read in my life. You said it yourself, you really only listen to game and movie soundtracks.

Every part of a song has a point really. It all leads up to something. So you skipping it is simply just not getting the point of listening to music. Why skip if you're only going to listen to tiny parts of it. What is the point?
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posted July 22, 2013 04:05 PM

While I agree with your views on Music I don't think an attitude that chops-up music is wrong but it is a little disturbing to those of us who see a deep connection between Life and its expression in music, poetry and words.

I Have always treasured the gist of Webster's def of instrument; "the use of something to express or further a purpose." (my edit)

Music in my youth, led me to better poetry and better writing. For me, a note, a word and a scene are all intertwined.

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posted July 22, 2013 04:31 PM

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You said it yourself, you really only listen to game and movie soundtracks.
Yes, what of it?

What's the point, you ask? The point is to enjoy music. That's how I enjoy it.
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posted July 22, 2013 08:13 PM

I have a friend who only listens to game soundtracks, even repeats the same track over and over, same as I would do with a song. Nothing wrong with that...
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posted July 22, 2013 11:15 PM

I repeat tracks over and over yet don't skip them. Every pat is integral to the whole. If I listen to a song, I will listen to it all otherwise there is no point. However, if I had of seen this 5 years ago I would have agreed with you.
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