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posted July 26, 2013 08:53 PM |
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mvassilev said:
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I see no reason to let your instinctual reactions sway your aesthetical preference anymore than your beliefs.
The difference is that beliefs can be correct or incorrect, while aesthetics have no truth-value. If you arrive at a belief using an incorrect method (such as relying on your feeling of revulsion), you are likely to come to hold incorrect beliefs. When it comes to aesthetics, though, there's no such thing as an "incorrect
There are no incorrect beliefs either. You might be convinced that equal treatment of men and women is right but that does not make someone's belief of opposite standing incorrect.
But I am more interested in what makes you think your incorrect methods, such as revulsion, are any more acceptable to be used as a basis of aesthetic belief than say, religious or political.
You say that there are no incorrect aesthetic beliefs but I find this a weak and baseless argument. If the end result does not matter, as there is no correct conclusion, how do you justify your use of "worse" methods?
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posted July 26, 2013 09:05 PM |
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There are no incorrect beliefs either.
Come on, you don't believe that. If someone believes that the sun revolves around the Earth, they're wrong, just look a the evidence to the contrary. Similarly, men and women have the same moral standing because there are no fundamental moral differences between them - anyone who claims they exist is mistaken.Quote:
But I am more interested in what makes you think your incorrect methods, such as revulsion, are any more acceptable to be used as a basis of aesthetic belief than say, religious or political.
There aren't correct or incorrect methods of forming aesthetic tastes. There are incorrect methods of forming beliefs - methods that are incorrect because they don't produce correct beliefs (correct beliefs being those that describe and/or predict the world as it is). For example, guessing randomly is a poor way of forming beliefs, so if you think "I'm going to flip a coin and if it lands on heads, I'll believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and if it lands on tails, I'll believe the Sun revolves around the Earth", and follow that method for other beliefs, you're going to end up with a lot of beliefs that don't match reality. But there's nothing like that for aesthetics.
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posted July 26, 2013 10:20 PM |
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mvassilev said:
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If she's the girl of my dreams, then she would be aesthetically appealing to me too, which means no tattoos. I know what my aesthetic tastes are, so it's not subconscious. Some of my aesthetics may have an evolutionary cause, but that's irrelevant. There's what my aesthetics are (which is conscious) and what causes them (which have various causes, some of them biological).
Blizzardboy also brings up a good point. I associate tattoos with hipsterish people, and they're information that the person who has the tattoo doesn't share my values.
I'm afraid this first paragraph pretty much says it all. Mvass is talking about the 'fantasy' perfect girl, the one in his mind. However, what I was saying is that until we stand in front of our partner totally naked, we have absolutely no idea if we are going to find everything about them appealing. The whole point about being in love/relationship is that you forgive (and often don't even see) those little imperfections. And I've noticed precious little of that from most of you.
And on a cruder note, I bet there isn't one guy amongst you who hasn't beaten off to a pornographic image of girls with tattoo's (or guys even). Its been my experience that men don't really focus on a tattoo when there are breasts around. And if some guy told me that he liked everything about me, except he found my tattoo's the killer, then aren't I the lucky girl to have avoided a nut bag.
Oh and a PS. no one uses the word 'Hipster' anymore. Unless of course you are from the 1950's. Ahhh that would explain the attitude then.
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posted July 26, 2013 10:34 PM |
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Mvass is talking about the 'fantasy' perfect girl, the one in his mind.
Not only in my mind, but in reality too - my girlfriend is very aesthetically appealing to me.
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posted July 26, 2013 11:15 PM |
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What if one night, while very drunk, she gets a tattoo?
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mvassilev
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posted July 26, 2013 11:27 PM |
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She'd get it removed, as she dislikes tattoos as much as I do. Not that she'd ever get that drunk to begin with.
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posted July 26, 2013 11:35 PM |
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****ING DAMMIT. COULD A MOD PLEASE EDIT OUT THE APOSTROPHE DANGLING AT THE END OF THE THREAD TITLE.
Ty ty.
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posted August 02, 2013 06:29 PM |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuzhdmBcCL4
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posted August 02, 2013 07:03 PM |
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meroe said:
I'm afraid this first paragraph pretty much says it all. Mvass is talking about the 'fantasy' perfect girl, the one in his mind. However, what I was saying is that until we stand in front of our partner totally naked, we have absolutely no idea if we are going to find everything about them appealing. The whole point about being in love/relationship is that you forgive (and often don't even see) those little imperfections. And I've noticed precious little of that from most of you.
And on a cruder note, I bet there isn't one guy amongst you who hasn't beaten off to a pornographic image of girls with tattoo's (or guys even). Its been my experience that men don't really focus on a tattoo when there are breasts around. And if some guy told me that he liked everything about me, except he found my tattoo's the killer, then aren't I the lucky girl to have avoided a nut bag.
Oh and a PS. no one uses the word 'Hipster' anymore. Unless of course you are from the 1950's. Ahhh that would explain the attitude then.
no one uses the word "hipster" anymore? lol. i use whatever word i feel like using, to describe whatever i want. what "no one" does, sounds like hipster bull**** to me. sounds like, if i don't "run with a crowd", i'm not good enough, right? that's the kind of **** i hate people saying. makes me think that they're still in ****ing highschool. grow up. there are many different kinds of people, and while they don't wholly fit only one stereotype, they can be grouped into a category the same as every other clone can.
about the tattoo thing, i cannot help but think, to see a pretty girl with a tattoo, is a turnoff, as i like beautiful skin so much better. it's like people aren't comfortable in their own skin, and have to adorn themselves with something pretty. it's a shallow attempt to appear deeper than they really are, most times. a tattooed rock star? no problem, they are there to entertain us, and that's what tattoo's can do. it helps to make up their image. but tattoo's on just anyone, especially when they are just plain-jane citizen? please. you're nobody special. you're the same animal as me, you're not a rock star, and you're not fooling anyone. tattoo's on so many people, remind me of those lame-ass old men who buy harley davidson motorcycles, to try to pretend that they aren't old, and washed up. and what's worse, they aren't a ****ing biker. they practice their "i'm a biker" on weekends, and they are a shame to the world of TRUE bikers. i'm so sick and tired of seeing people try to pretend to be something that they are not. grow up, and accept the fact that you are just another copy of a copy of a copy. having a tattoo nowadays, is the same as having a bar code on you.
and no, i don't find tattoo's themselves to be a boner-killer. i find the lack of originality, and the group-mentality behind it to be the boner-killer.
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posted August 03, 2013 01:47 AM |
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You must be the life of the party Mvass...jesus christ.
Your Tattoo looks semi cool, Anti, but you're going to regret the smoking a joint. THAT part was just bloody stupid. I myself love tattoos and find them sexy on a woman.
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posted August 03, 2013 02:25 AM |
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william said:
You must be the life of the party Mvass...jesus christ.
In other news the sky is blue most of the time.
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The_Gootch
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posted August 03, 2013 03:29 AM |
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Tattoos? Never had a whole lot of experience with them until recently.
Mmmmrroowwwfff!!
Unfreakingbeliebeably hot. She was 45, had the tats since '94 which meant, according to her, she got her tramp stamp before it was cool. Left arm was covered in ink, and tats on the lateral parts of her thighs, almost like hot ass holsters. her skin was well taken care of, so there has not been any of the fading and bleeding. On top of that, she was of Czech descent, Bohemia she called it, and she looked like the wife of the lead singer from The Cars. My god, what a torrid affair we had.
To each their own I suppose. But ink in moderation is not at all a turnoff. Do I need to qualify moderation before some bozo mentions the bajiilion-tattooed snow who's addicted to her body's naturally produced painkillers? Talking with the lot of you, the way you split hairs, is painful.
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posted August 03, 2013 04:06 AM |
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Oi oi oi please dont generalize like that, we have a few people in here that don't cringe at the mere though of ink on anyones body. And seeing as you've actually have things to share on the field (which most of us most likely don't) it's always nice to hear what someone who knows what he's talking about has to say.
I for one find tatoos to be attractive on some women. Sometimes it just works. They can be quite tasteful (not just on women, you should see what Yakuza guys get done to their bodies those guys are basically walking canvases of traditional japanese motives, looks really cool) Not a big fan of tramp stamps in general no matter who wears them but then again I've never been with one of those.
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posted August 03, 2013 06:54 AM |
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mvassilev said:
There aren't correct or incorrect methods of forming aesthetic tastes. There are incorrect methods of forming beliefs - methods that are incorrect because they don't produce correct beliefs (correct beliefs being those that describe and/or predict the world as it is). For example, guessing randomly is a poor way of forming beliefs, so if you think "I'm going to flip a coin and if it lands on heads, I'll believe that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and if it lands on tails, I'll believe the Sun revolves around the Earth", and follow that method for other beliefs, you're going to end up with a lot of beliefs that don't match reality. But there's nothing like that for aesthetics.
This argument of course is predicated on the assumption that you can choose what you believe in.
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posted August 03, 2013 07:44 AM |
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You can't choose what you believe in, but you can choose how to come to your beliefs.
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posted August 03, 2013 05:56 PM |
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I'm not sure I buy that, either.
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mvassilev
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posted August 03, 2013 06:02 PM |
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Well, not directly - I couldn't choose to believe that the truth is based on the flip of a coin, for example. But if you currently believe that the truth is determined by a flip of a coin, you may still read about other epistemological methods, which may convince you to abandon coin-flip beliefs.
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posted August 03, 2013 07:09 PM |
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I would argue that's a conscious decision to acquire information/knowledge, not necessarily a conscious decision to change the way you form your beliefs. But whatever, it's a point of minutia.
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posted August 04, 2013 01:47 AM |
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I confess I would much rather talk about hot women and the ink they have on their bodies than anything else in this thread.
However, the creator took the time to make this and has asked for feedback. Here it is from my perspective.
A tattoo that size and scope usually denotes/symbolizes something important in the wearer's life. Yours is light, funny, irreverant, and steeped in irony. Was that your intent? A crab smoking a cigarette is bizarre, the zodiac Cancer holding a cancer stick is funny.
The significance of tobacco in your life cannot be taken for granted. You have held cigarettes in countless pictures over the years for myriad reasons. Both you and William in fact. Cigarettes have a long and romantic history in cinema. They give actors something to do with their hands, a kind of stagecraft if you will, and let's face it, smoke looks cool on film. Now you've put it on your body.
Instead of something timeless, you have inked yourself with something that is important to your immature, and still growing brain. Your love of tobacco may last another 10-20 years but mark me well. It will lose its appeal, its luster, and you will be left with the cough, smelly clothes, and a smell on your breath that multiple rinsings with mouthwash will not dissipate. And you will curse your need to buy 2 packs a day.
That's my opinion. Think better on your next ink job.
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artu
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posted August 04, 2013 05:45 AM |
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It's interesting to see how fast you agree on "you can't choose your beliefs." Is character fate then? What do you guys exactly mean when you say you cant choose what to believe in?
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