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fred79
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posted July 25, 2013 05:23 AM |
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The Unexplained Thread
What made me create this thread, is that I want to share something with this community. First off, some here will think I am crazy(I'm sure some probably already do), but, hear me out. There is something I know about mankind's existence, and it raises many, many questions.
Here it is:
I have precognitive dreams. Don't laugh, I am absolutely serious. This is not a joke, I am not merely entertaining myself here. I really DO have precognitive dreams.
I have told the people I am closest to in real life, and, unsurprisingly, they do not believe me. Like I have said before, no one ever does believe me, about anything. To everyone I know, I am just a clown, because I don't take many things seriously, and like to make fun of most things.
Now, back to what I know. It could be assumed that, and rightfully so, that having precognitive dreams that come to pass in the waking world means that there IS some sort of destiny. I don't know if it is set in stone or not, maybe the things we do help shape that destiny. I have had dreams that could have came true, but did not. I once had a dream that was incredibly life-like, about a man dressed in dark clothes, wearing a black ski mask, breaking in through the back door of our house. That dream will never come to reality because our back door has been changed, and my dog in the dream, who was barking like crazy at the guy, has been dead for a decade.
What's weird- of the ones that happened in reality after I dreamt them, they were insubstantial, every-day life happenings. I would be in a toilet stall, reading something that somebody wrote on the wall, and I remember what it said. Then, it happened in real life, I was in that toilet stall, wearing what I was wearing in the dream, and reading what I remember reading on the wall, written in the exact same way, at the exact same time of day, with the exact same sounds, voices, whatever surroundings, EXACTLY like it was in the dream.
Sounds fishy, right? What if I told you about how I have dreamt of people I've never met before, that I've ended up meeting in real life later on? Sometimes, years down the road? Same face, same scars, same clothes, same PLACE, same sunlight and shade, same conversation? Actually, more often than not, the things that I dream that come to reality, DO happen years down the road. It used to happen infrequently, before I joined the military. Maybe 10-15 that I can remember happening, tops. Then, while I was in the military, many more than that. I used to think, "I must be doing something right, I must be still on the right path." Now, where that path is leading me, I really don't know. But it's still happening, I am still on some path of sorts, because it happened again recently, when I was reading a post in a thread. I remember the exact words, everything in my peripheral vision, the sounds I heard while reading it. The feel of my surroundings, the look of the webpage, etc, etc. What's weird, is that after having the precognitive dream happen in reality, the memory of such a thing fades quickly. Afterwards, all I can remember is a vague sense of what happened, but, I DO recognize what just happened. Meaning, that when the occurence is actually happening, I can remember, in a lightly vague sense, HOW LONG AGO I dreamt it. I can remember if it wasn't that long ago, maybe months, more than a few years ago, and even when I remember dreaming it as a child.
Nothing of any significance has ever came to reality, which is perplexing to me. It's just your run-of-the-mill, ordinary life happenings.
I could see how people would be hesitant to believe me. I can see people trying to debunk what I am saying, as they do with others that they do not believe. The problem here is, people, that I KNOW. This has happened REPEATEDLY in my life. I have KNOWN it, it is not mere speculation. It is not even some sort of self-denial, or wishful thinking. Denial, in this case, would be me denying ACTUAL EVENTS in my life, that I KNOW have come to pass. Wishful thinking would be denying the reality of what has CONTINUOUSLY happened to me throughout my lifetime. That would be like me DENYING that my past existed, when I have photographs of the past. I cannot deny it. It has happened for years, and most likely will KEEP happening, regardless.
What I wonder, is, now what? What else is there out there that isn't currently explainable, but IS true nonetheless? These happenings have kept me from entirely writing off religion, gods, devils, spirits, and all other things that people believe, but cannot be proved.
One difference is, I can actually PROVE what I am saying. I COULD keep a journal of what I dream, that is like one of the dreams that happen in reality. And, if it happens with someone I know, I could pull out the journal, and show them that I indeed, DID dream it before it happened. But what would they make of me dreaming about a conversation, or reading a book, or reading a post on the internet? What would they think about me dreaming about taking a **** in some rest-stop bathroom, and reading, "so-and-so, racial slurs, obama is an idiot, call so-and-so for a good time, westside, gang-related graffiti"? Would that make ANY sense to you, to dream such a thing before it happened? Looking down at your shoes, and seeing an ant crawl over a shoelace that is being frayed from how old it is? Seeing a stain on the floor, some gum, some piss, and what looks like a drop of blood? What does it even MEAN?
All I have been able to figure out, all these years, is that I am on some sort of path. Where it is taking me, I do not know. That my life seems pre-configured, I don't know. It could be, that my choices MAKE these things happen, that maybe, I shape my own future. But then, WHY dream things beforehand? It really, really raises a lot of questions as to why we are here, what parts of the brain we do not understand, and what may ultimately be OUT THERE for us. Maybe, there is some sort of existential plane(s) that we are not aware of.
Before the responses start, let me kindly remind people that I cannot be swayed in this. I KNOW what has happened throughout my OWN LIFE. I just cannot really explain why, or how, or what purpose it serves, ultimately. I am open to polite speculation, ideas, and your own experiences, though. I started the "dark exercise" thread in the same light. I want to know if I'm the only one. So far, out of the people I have told in my life, some have said they have had similar experiences, but that they have written it off as Deja Vu. They tried to write my own experiences off as Deja Vu, as well.
Anyone else have experiences like this? Or something related to the unexplainable, and the potential for things we have yet to understand?
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artu
Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 25, 2013 07:59 AM |
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Quote:
What's weird, is that after having the precognitive dream happen in reality, the memory of such a thing fades quickly. Afterwards, all I can remember is a vague sense of what happened, but, I DO recognize what just happened. Meaning, that when the occurence is actually happening, I can remember, in a lightly vague sense, HOW LONG AGO I dreamt it. I can remember if it wasn't that long ago, maybe months, more than a few years ago, and even when I remember dreaming it as a child.
Deja Vu
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fred79
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posted July 25, 2013 08:23 AM |
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artu, wtf.
"Déjà vu, from French, literally "already seen", is the phenomenon of having the strong sensation that an event or experience currently being experienced has been experienced in the past, whether it has actually happened or not."
strong sensation ISN'T memory.
can i ask you a question, artu? why are you so bent on trying to disprove people? are you afraid of what things you might not understand imply?
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artu
Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted July 25, 2013 08:28 AM |
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Everybody has deja vu Fred, the strong sensation usually comes in the feeling of "I dreamt this!" It happens to me, too. Just try to write them down like you say and you'll see it wont happen because you get that feeling always AFTER the incident.
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted July 25, 2013 08:40 AM |
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fred,thanks for sharing your personal experiences with us.
When other people don't like the type of personal experience,they just ignore it or accuse the person telling the story of lying.
I think it's good experience for you,because it teaches you:
1.Small event are not necessary with little importance as you used to think before.
2.When people disagree with you,they just express their will to ignore what's uncomfortable for them.
The most easy thing in the world is to deny.The real power comes with acceptance of the truth,no matter objective or personal.
Examples of personal truth:
1.You are hungry.
2.You are tired.
3.You are thrilled.
4.You are bored.
5.Something is difficult for you.
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The list could become quite long with the ordinary things,that are personal for you,yet nobody would think of denying them.
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fred79
Disgraceful
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posted July 25, 2013 08:55 AM |
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thanks, ml. i think artu has an inability to cope with certain things. it's understandable, i would probably be in the same boat, if it wasn't for these dreams.
artu, i have thought about some of these dreams upon waking, making it a priority to remember them, for when they happen. 3 of those came true. one of them, i had told my sister about it, beforehand, and afterwards. she still expressed disbelief, just like you. though, she was at least open to the option that maybe it wasn't deja vu. just like how adrius wrote off the "dark exercise" i posted as "bloody mary **** ".
if you don't believe me still, artu, that's fine. i can accept your unacceptance. like i said, the implications are a little staggering.
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted July 25, 2013 09:33 AM |
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fred, I have an acquaintance that has had precognitive dreams and I can assure you that things happened exactly in the way she dreamed them. Even I had one.
Remember Joan of Arc and Rasputin?
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fred79
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posted July 25, 2013 09:57 AM |
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they both had them? i've never looked up how many other people had had them, though i didn't figure i'd be alone in this.
that you and your friend have had them, is great. what does hers consist of, and what did yours consist of? was it the same kind of "nothing-special-happening" dreams that i have?
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Drakon-Deus
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Qapla'
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posted July 25, 2013 10:05 AM |
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she dreamt that her relatives would have a car accident, and it happened just the way she dreamt.
I dreamt that I would be surrounded by many kids and dance with two girls. i called bs on that, i barely have a few real friends. but...
... after a week or so when I moved to my dad's neighborhood I befriended a bunch of gypsy youngsters and ended up doing exactly the same as in my dream, unintentionally.
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antipaladin
Promising
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of Ooohs and Aaahs
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posted July 25, 2013 10:25 AM |
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the feeling of "deja vu" have nothing to do with it.
it is because of a few seconds distortion between left hemosphare and right one.
one recognizes the picture,and translate it , the other one takes a few seconds later,then the first one reads it again and says: "WTF i've been here before".
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types in obscure english
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fred79
Disgraceful
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posted July 25, 2013 10:34 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 10:36, 25 Jul 2013.
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@ dd:
the one you had was more akin to what how i dream. when i have my dreams, it is always looking out of my own eyes, and being me. your friend had hers without her being there. that's pretty interesting, like a whole different type. maybe it's a stronger version of what i have, and what you had, dd.
you know, i wonder about the whole "karma" thing, too. reason being, i still remember this one dream i had in my late teens, early twentys, where i was in some arid, dry desert-like place. the ground was hardpan; tan, and dusty. i was wearing some black kind of robe with weird stitching across the torso. i was holding a black scroll, unrolled(if it had ever been rolled, i think not), on my shoulders, surrounding my head, like a collar. i had to hold it with the words facing inwards, and the words were supposedly some kind of magic inscriptions(or spells) directed at my head, to either keep me under control, or as a curse. kind of like a moving stockade, i had to hold it there as a penalty for something i had done, to show everyone that i was unclean, or not worthy of something, or that i was being punished for being evil. i had to walk around with that scroll unraveled, facing my head.
during that dream, i was led underground, to some sort of cave system. i guess, underground, i was allowed to remove the scroll from around my head(picture a dog collar, with no tapering towards my neck, and my face unobscured, so that i could see). anyway, i remember coming to this circular stairway that was cut out of the rock, or natural, i'm not sure. i followed this stairway up around a cylindrical object, the stairway wrapped around it. when i got to the top, i saw all the steam, and the steam was pinkish. looking through the steam, i saw that i was looking down into a natural cauldron that had formed underground, about 20 feet across, and almost perfectly round. at the bottom of this cauldron, was a little bit of water left, and 6 or so human skeletons. they had been boiled alive, and boiled until only the bones were left. i think that they were like me, cursed somehow. i remember thinking that i was either to judge the people who had boiled them, or that i was next to be boiled.
with all of the bad things that have happened in my life, that dream makes me wonder: did i do something lifetimes ago that i am still being punished for?
sounds a little screwy, but there it is. i have never had a dream like that before, and have never had a dream like it since. all of my other dreams have had recurring themes, tied into one another in similarities. that one is the only one i've ever had, that doesn't have ANY similarities, it's so far from everything else, that's why it stands out to me. that's why i question the idea of karma being a very real thing, and maybe recurring lives. i know that this doesn't make much sense, as there are many more people alive now than there ever was in history, and the number of humans is always multiplying. so, if not from a past human life, where do the extra lives come from? that's what i think about, when i think about that dream. just another thing that is unexplained to me. i could see it being psychology based, if it was a recurring thing. but that dream is the odd one out.
@ antipaladin: i think what you're explaining is "deja vu". it's a pretty good explanation for it, too. makes logical sense.
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Zenofex
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posted July 25, 2013 11:21 AM |
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If I interpret the latest physical theories correctly (Stephen Hawkins for instance), there IS something like "sort of destiny" indeed, i.e. things do not happen "randomly". At the same time though, they are impossible to predict, at least from the position where we are standing right now.
Don't delve too much into this, fred. The mind does an excellent job when it wants to deceive itself without even noticing so in 99% of the cases your interpretation of something "extraordinary" is far from objective.
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GunFred
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Sexy Manticore
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posted July 25, 2013 11:44 AM |
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fred79 said:
What I wonder, is, now what? What else is there out there that isn't currently explainable, but IS true nonetheless? These happenings have kept me from entirely writing off religion, gods, devils, spirits, and all other things that people believe, but cannot be proved.
Now what? Is that not obvious? You create your own religion with yourself as a prophet or messiah. You can have your own harem and conveniently it will be X's will that you sleep with your followers wives as well to purify them. Grow, grow and grow and eventually you can start holy war against pagan religions such as Christianity and Islam. But choose your objects of discrimination wisely as if you pick on the big guys immediatly you may perish before your religion becomes self sustainable. I recommend starting with blacks or jews but those are standard discrimination targets and with increased risk there is increased reward. Also, traditional jedi robe and big beard cannot possibly fail but as said before, with increased risk there is increased reward.
Good luck and I hope you do not die an early and violent death like so many holy men before you. (they were false holy men though unlike you, the real deal)
P.S Do not let the kids escape your influence as you need them to spread your divine will after you have abandoned your physical form.
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted July 25, 2013 11:55 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
she dreamt that her relatives would have a car accident, and it happened just the way she dreamt.
Sounds more to me like she subconsiously caused the accident. As a good christian it is your duty to punish witchcraft practitioners. It is God's will that you exorcist the devil out of your friend and if you find it hard to 'take care' of her then just remember that her soul's place in heaven is at stake and she will understand your actions in the afterlife.
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meroe
Supreme Hero
Basically Smurfette
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posted July 25, 2013 12:11 PM |
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I dreamt about a 50' dragon terrorising my town.
I can't wait for it to happen!!!!!!! 
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as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted July 25, 2013 12:39 PM |
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I don't remember having a dream about the Discworld like meroe anytime or being part of a story I had read.
I do in fact dream often about some mountain peak (not necessary high mountain) with a great panorama surrounding it,but I doubt I have seen it in the past.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted July 25, 2013 12:41 PM |
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Zenofex said:
The mind does an excellent job when it wants to deceive itself without even noticing so in 99% of the cases your interpretation of something "extraordinary" is far from objective.
QFT
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted July 25, 2013 12:52 PM |
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GunFred said:
Drakon-Deus said:
she dreamt that her relatives would have a car accident, and it happened just the way she dreamt.
Sounds more to me like she subconsiously caused the accident. As a good christian it is your duty to punish witchcraft practitioners. It is God's will that you exorcist the devil out of your friend and if you find it hard to 'take care' of her then just remember that her soul's place in heaven is at stake and she will understand your actions in the afterlife.
I do not take orders from you. She's not the diabolical type. And even if she did it then she has to be a mutant. Witches don't have that much power.
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markkur
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
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posted July 25, 2013 01:07 PM |
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Thanks for sharing your mystery; I know it's not exactly easy to do, since so many people, believe they have to supply an explanation for everything.
Remember, there's the old adage; "there's more to life than what meets the eye".
My life's mystical experiences I can count on one hand, so that means much less than one a decade but the few that I've had defy any easy explanation. I'm aok with that, a long time ago, I gave up on trying to explain every possibility in life with what lies between the ears. 
Ghosts for example, no not the one here at HC but the garden variety, are some strange encounters.
I've never been a believer and am still not but some people have seen or heard things that aren't easily explained.
Here's one from my life, my kids and I had just returned home and were sitting in the living room of our old farm house (that sat alone in the countryside)and were talking when we came to a silence, then I heard two very hard human-coughs; they were the ill and wheezy old-man sort of coughs and they came from the nearby stairs.
I didn't say a thing to the kids (not wanting to scare them) and went upstairs to find the intruder that was in the house. I turned the place upside down, looking at every possible spot...twice, I even went into an empty attic thinking I have to find them! I gave up, there was not anyone anywhere, not downstairs either. When I looked outside my 3 unfriendly-dogs were lying in the grass at some distance but I knew they would not have let anyone off the road anyway. I finally sat back down and then the kids both asked me if I heard an old man cough twice.
Most stuff is pure imagination but not all.
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GunFred
Supreme Hero
Sexy Manticore
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posted July 25, 2013 01:16 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
GunFred said:
Drakon-Deus said:
she dreamt that her relatives would have a car accident, and it happened just the way she dreamt.
Sounds more to me like she subconsiously caused the accident. As a good christian it is your duty to punish witchcraft practitioners. It is God's will that you exorcist the devil out of your friend and if you find it hard to 'take care' of her then just remember that her soul's place in heaven is at stake and she will understand your actions in the afterlife.
I do not take orders from you. She's not the diabolical type. And even if she did it then she has to be a mutant. Witches don't have that much power.
I never said it was my order, just God's will. Not even my god as my gods only appreciate a blood sacrefice once in a while. It is not her fault that she may be a witch. Few choses to take the devil inside of them and most are not even aware that they have him inside of them or made a pact with him. Also remember that most witches that know what they are and what they are capable of do not act suspicious and are often the ones you least expect. And willingly or not, causing a car accident is hardly beyond a witch's power.
Do not fearing taking your friend's life as it will purge her soul from evil for sure if done according to rituals. And the soul is much more important than the earthly life right?
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