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posted November 19, 2013 03:13 AM |
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Good and Evil Terms transfered to Physics
Hi,
What would you define good in physical terms?
That you help someone without expecting a return, saving a child from a housefire or what?
I think the term energyspreading(or energycompressing for the other way) describes those things pretty good.
A good guy would be someone who tries to 'keep' the "hardened Energy"(=mass in any form) as close together as he can, so he would surely save the child, but 'kills' the energyspreading fire threatening the child!
While a bad guy would try to destroy the structure of hardened energy and would try to spread the energy as wide as possible.
But there are some things i cant answer with this model:
would a good guy kill a person which is about to die anyway to shorten his suffering?
Are emotions like love, hate or feelings like pain even describable only using this model?
and other questions that are like that.
AND YES, i know there is a jargonword for what i mean with energyspread, but i cant remember it.
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posted November 19, 2013 03:52 AM |
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idontcare
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posted November 19, 2013 04:11 AM |
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Hi mvassilev, nice post there.
I really enjoyed reading it.
I don't try to define good/bad as a level of energy compressing, i just thought that it is comparable.
I for one find it _good_ that plants are to some degree are compressing the energy floating around (they grow, and only spread energy to populate), btw E=mc^2, since c is a constant i will argue from now on E=m  , and find something like nuclear bombs, which spread a gigiantic amount of energy and possibly more if they destroy things like cities, _bad_.
But i wouldn't call compressing to a ridiculous point _good_, since with a really hot POINT of energy i couldn't work with, nor will anything evolve out of it in a matter of aeons.
Nor would i call energyspreading up to a certain point bad, since without energyspreading we wouldn't be here. (yes, according to the bb-theory, im not your average 'god created it all'-guy)
To finetune my model i'd say:
Good is a level of energyspread which allows live, bad is a energyspread deviating from good.
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posted November 19, 2013 04:16 AM |
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posted November 19, 2013 04:35 AM |
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by physical do you mean pretty much taking physical action?
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idontcare
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posted November 19, 2013 04:37 AM |
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Because to my mind everyone has it's own opinion about hitler or jesus, i could find asnwer for both of them being good or bad.
But in terms of energy hitler(read=any dictator in history) can be defined really well as just plain bad, of course hitler here stands only for the people who helped their King(or whatever high person u call it). And Jesus obv only for the hole movement after him (bibles etc.).
You could argue 1000 pages what a specific person/happening/whatever has done to mankind, but it leads only to a bunch of opinions sperated in 3 groups, good, bad and neutral.
Lets forget for know that hitler DID made some things right, and Jesus (or his followers years after) wrong, and just say hitler is probably bad and jesus probably good.
Hitler killed millions(or billions ? ) of people, that means their bodies have been energyspreaded -> bad
Jesus cured the blinds and (sry) can't-walking, who then made whatever they wanted to do, maybe building a house, so they compressed energy (they structurized peaces of stones(mass) to a house(better level of compressing))
But to the question why its needed to compare apple and oranges, cant sy, i just had a brainfart 
Edit: @celfious: yes, which is basicly transforming one form of energy into another if i understand it correctly (and so you most often change the lvl of energycompression)
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posted November 19, 2013 04:56 AM |
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Wait, why is spreading energy bad while compressing it is good?
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idontcare
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posted November 19, 2013 05:04 AM |
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in both cases i assume the system(men or stones) is changed to a LEVEL of compression.
In the first case, the lvl of compression (from now on called loc) is changed with spreading to a lvl which kills live (try to shoot a body in space, then u know what i mean literally).
In the second the loc is changed to allow(ok, not allow, but make it easier) live. (=optimal lvl)
I already mentioned that compressing/decompressing doesnt descibe good/bad, rather the lvl of compression.
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posted November 19, 2013 05:23 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 05:29, 19 Nov 2013.
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can I by chance order this stuff on the internet?
I need to refresh my sense of reality. But I will try to grasp this based on memory. I'll try to find the answer which is probably just a perspective. (but not everything is relative, some things are concrete)
Sometimes I feel like I am lost in the ocean depths and no one is here and I know that reaching the sunlight is for children. Nothing is here to tell me which things mean good or bad anymore.
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posted November 19, 2013 05:35 AM |
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posted November 19, 2013 09:06 AM |
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idontcare said:
Are emotions like love, hate or feelings like pain even describable only using this model?
"What makes a human life its worth, anyway? Because someone loves it, hates it. The flesh is weak. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me!" Robert de Niro, Angel Heart.
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posted November 20, 2013 12:52 AM |
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Given that "good" and "evil" are entirely subjective terms, the answer is no.
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posted November 20, 2013 01:03 AM |
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Corribus, if someone asked you, "Would consuming vast quantities of cyanide be good for me?" you would say "No", I think. Not "It's subjective".
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posted November 20, 2013 01:08 AM |
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@mvassilev, but i think your "good" is not exaclty what i refer too, i mean it in a more traditional sense like angels=good devils=evil
your "good" is more practically, at least how i interpret your question.
short:
good/bad =/= good/evil
IMO
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posted November 20, 2013 01:21 AM |
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mvassilev said:
Corribus, if someone asked you, "Would consuming vast quantities of cyanide be good for me?" you would say "No", I think. Not "It's subjective".
What if you were in a prison camp and the authorities were torturing you day and night for information that you held concerning people that you love. Furthermore you knew that everybody else who was tortured was eventually killed.
Then somebody slips you a massive amount of cyanide.
still bad?
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posted November 20, 2013 01:51 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 02:25, 20 Nov 2013.
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mvassilev said:
Corribus, if someone asked you, "Would consuming vast quantities of cyanide be good for me?" you would say "No", I think. Not "It's subjective".
Regardless of what my answer to this would be (and I'm sure you know already), I fail to see how this is relevant to anything.
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posted November 20, 2013 02:17 AM |
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Well if there are things, that all men(and woman) think that they are good(or bad) you cant say its subjective.
Sex is good
If Sex is good, that means no sex is bad.
o_o
how could someone not gree with this statement if he's not psychopathic
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posted November 20, 2013 02:37 AM |
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FOG:
Cyanide is bad for my health, but that's a situation where something being bad for my health is good for me. Also, situational =/= subjective.
Corribus:
It's relevant because morality is similar to medicine. There are things that are morally good for people, just like there are things things that are good for their health.
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posted November 20, 2013 03:08 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 03:08, 20 Nov 2013.
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Sorry, I think you're wrong. And even if you weren't, in medicine the best treatment is almost always subjective anyway. Even beyond the fact that the complexity of living systems shrouds the optimum pathway to a cure in mystery, the "best" treatment often depends on the goals of the patient. Anybody who has dealt with cancer, for example, knows that the prescribed level of aggression for a treatment depends highly on the tradeoff between a patient's desire to prolong his life at all costs (radiation and toxic chemotherapeutics), or to live a shorter time with the maximum amount of comfort (no meds at all).
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posted November 20, 2013 03:30 AM |
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Sure, but cancer is always medically bad for people. Diseases are bad for people. That's not subjective. And you're right, it does depend on the goals of the patient - just like morality depends on the goals of the agent. But due to human nature, people have common goals under a reflective equilibrium.
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