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posted August 09, 2019 12:27 PM
Edited by blob2 at 12:28, 09 Aug 2019.

Well, for me it's 90%. Either Shaman or Warlock Quest. Sprinkled with Mech Hunter or Warrior here and there. I can either jump on the bandwagon or weather the storm. I choose the latter...

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posted August 14, 2019 08:21 AM

Soooo what I love about how Hearthstone is the reveal season and the first day of a new expansion.
Then what happens is one of the things I hate the most.
I buy my 10-30 packs and get nothing useful. Then I hate playing for the next month, because I have no good decks and I just keep playing wild to complete my quest so I can buy 1 pack pr. day (every second 2 day).

So my point is; this game is so bad for players, who does not buy 50 packs from the opening day.

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posted August 14, 2019 08:27 AM

Play arena. It's a much better way to get packs.
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posted August 14, 2019 01:06 PM

I have fallen in love with Reno Mage! Sooo muuucch fun! I used to love the old Reno decks as well, because all the games are different when you have only a single copy of a card in the deck. You have to think on your feet more Oh and Zephyrs is simply AMAZING

This could become one of my favorite expansions

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posted August 14, 2019 01:15 PM

Heh, actually tried it myself just today.
Much like Quest Warlock I can't seem to get to a positive win-rate, but am having tons of fun.
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posted August 14, 2019 05:15 PM
Edited by blob2 at 17:17, 14 Aug 2019.

emilsn91 said:
So my point is; this game is so bad for players, who does not buy 50 packs from the opening day.


Yeah, same here. This time the pack opening was the worst yet: 22 packs and literally no useful Epic. Currently at 30 packs and only 3 Epics :/

Arena is even worse. Played it three times in a row cus I want to get rid of 5 gold (the only reason). I thought each time I had a decent deck. Went 1-3 with each of them, it's incredible how much value every opponent has in their decks, it seems there are no "bad" decks in this mode anymore... getting your ass kicked this easily isn't exactly enjoyable.

I tried to be positive, but I don't know how to get fun from this game anymore, it's probably time to say goodbye.

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posted August 14, 2019 05:22 PM

Are you using HearthArena Companion to draft your Arena deck? It's incredibly useful. I did 2 runs since the new expansion released and went 4-3 and 6-3.
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posted August 14, 2019 07:04 PM

Geny said:
Are you using HearthArena Companion to draft your Arena deck? It's incredibly useful. I did 2 runs since the new expansion released and went 4-3 and 6-3.


Is this safe?

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posted August 15, 2019 06:03 AM

I'm guessing it's as safe as using a deck tracker.
Kripparian and many other arena players use it.
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posted August 15, 2019 12:14 PM

Geny said:
I'm guessing it's as safe as using a deck tracker.
Kripparian and many other arena players use it.


That's not reassuring. Most people are not even aware of how invasive an application that has access to a games code and players profile can be.

I'll pass on the app. I've built a Shaman deck based on the highest scores in Lightforge Arena tierlist. Went 5-3 with it and finally got that 5 gold

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posted August 19, 2019 01:12 AM
Edited by blob2 at 01:16, 19 Aug 2019.

As I've been playing the game since SoU started, now I'm certain: Team 5 has reached a point when they have no idea where they are going with this game.

There is no balance, they talk about nerfs and stuff, yet they release cards that generate infinite value or re-introduce things that were already highly criticized in the past. It's like they decided: you know what, scr*w it all, let's go wild. They created cards which win you games as soon as they are played. They've always done that, but I think this time they really overdid it, there's just too many of them. Moreover there is nothing fresh anymore: Reborn is a variant of Deathrattle, Plague cards are not played, and most of the stuff are rehashes of old stuff, like Hero Powers which were used in adventures (didn't they say they don't want to use them due to inbalance at some point?).

Mage has so many things to generate value or stall, Warrior not only has unlimited value generators, but zounds of removals. A game in which your only choice is to either play the winning decks or decks that counter them (with slim chances) is not healthy. There was a time when they nerfed Yogg-Saron for the inconsitency it brought to the game. Now they've created similiar card which you can play two of...

In MtG you also have crazy OP combos or cards, but at least you know it's a game in which many times you win by cunning tactics or waiting out your opponent etc. And they are still managing to do after it's been around for 25 years. I create decks on a whim (a theme caughts my interest) and if you keep to some general rules, those can be played succesfully if you build and play it right. And so many cards can be used oen way or another. Nothing limits you, at least on a casual level. In Heartshtone currently a game ends as soon as your opponent plays one of the OP cards. I see it clearly as I play both games atm.

I don't think you're standard "wait till meta settles" will work this time... not with the kind of cards they brought with SoU.

Do you guys think I'm wrong? The state of the game really bothers me since SoU was released.

It's actually not that important for me at this point, as I only play this game no more then 30-60 minutes at a time, just feeling it's in the worst state it's ever been cus it leaves nothing but bad taste atm...

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posted August 19, 2019 06:52 AM

I have a question before I answer: which mode and which rank are you playing at?
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posted August 19, 2019 11:41 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:43, 19 Aug 2019.

Geny said:
I have a question before I answer: which mode and which rank are you playing at?


Because I don't play this very often now, I jump between casual Standard/Wild or Rank 19-18.

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posted August 19, 2019 12:41 PM

I'll agree that Wild is getting no attention whatsoever and as a result it's basically a sandbox of people making ridiculously OP stuff in the hopes that theirs is the most OP of all.

But standard? I don't feel like it's that broken. There are powerful decks and there decks that can be frustrating to play against, but I don't feel like they're overwhelming me. I play sub-optimal versions of Quest Shaman, Quest Warlock, Quest Priest and Reno Mage. And when I say sub-optimal, I mean that I don't have some of the heavy hitters of the decks: no Hagatha (either of them), no Dorian and Betrug, no Giants... And yet I'm having fun and going somewhere around 50% winrate on ranks 9-10.

So I'm having fun, but then again I never paid for CCGs so that always meant that my collection was sub-par and my fun consisted less of "being competitive" and more of making a deck with what I have and finding ways of beating net-decks. And I feel that this still can be done in Hearthstone, at least at certain ranks.
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posted August 19, 2019 02:41 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:49, 19 Aug 2019.

Geny said:
So I'm having fun, but then again I never paid for CCGs so that always meant that my collection was sub-par and my fun consisted less of "being competitive" and more of making a deck with what I have and finding ways of beating net-decks. And I feel that this still can be done in Hearthstone, at least at certain ranks.


That's actually one of the problems with Hearthstone. Opening 30 packs and not having luck with getting the "cool cards" does keep you out of the fun. I might craft Shaman Quest at some point, but the point is you need to invest in cards to get something out of an expansion, as most decks usually work with the big shiny cards. In MtG you can build cool decks without all those shiny Legendaries...

But the general point of my post is that through my observation I'm seeing that the game has become simply unfair. It's not that the game is frustrating because you loose etc. I for example am past that point. The issue is that in my opinion they went into this expansion without any breaks: hard to beat decks are even harder to beat, and cards like Quest Shaman, when used with Shudderwock or Elementals (Siamat with all four effects? Elementals that give you more Elementals x2) or Lackey cards generate an unfair amount of value, against which a player without similar value can do nothing about. Or Priest with his his cheap healing/buff cards and resurrection mechanics. We already went through this with Hero cards in KotFT, universally identified as a "high power level" expansion. Those are simply unfair cards that are maybe fun to use, but completely unbalanced in the game healthiness sense. Those are not "accidents", but Team 5 has knowingly ignored their balance. They are like kids who broke something purposely, and want to see what happens...

At least that is my impression of the game atm.

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posted August 19, 2019 02:47 PM

Do I think you are wrong? Yes. You decided after a game or two that the balance was broken. Last week you claim Quest Warlock was so OP it was destroying the meta (or Quests are OP in general)... and now it is something completely different. The Quests are so weak (Shaman is ok). So yes I think the way you asses strenght of the decks or classes is completely wrong.

Secondly you claim SoU brought the so many and most OP cards...yet the two most broken cards are Lunas Pocket Galaxy and Dr Boom Mad Genious. They both came from sets before... And as for Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron, that card is wildly underwhelming. In Higlander Mage Puzzle Box has statistically the worst winrate when played. Which to me is perfect, as I want RANDOM cards to have lower winrate. This is completely in contrast to the Yogg of old. So yet again, very wrong.

I find it somewhat hard to even talk about the game with you because our experiences are so vastly different. There are problematic cards and decks, that will never go away. But the state of the game is very exciting and interesting, I am loving every minute of it. This game is clearly not giving you the experience what you want from a game, so maybe take six months off or at least untill next expansion.

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posted August 19, 2019 03:00 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:47, 19 Aug 2019.

Yeah you are right Minion, I'm thinking about taking a break. I know you're recently quite biased against me, but that's ok, I can understand where you are coming from.

The fact if a card is played or not does not amount to it's power level. Some Hero cards weren't played back in KotFT at first, yet for instance Hunter DK was at later point contested as being the strongest one from the entire set. Sooner or later a few of those cards will lead to many frustrating moments. An effect which doubles Battlecries for two mana is too strong imo. Plain and simple.

If you enjoy the state of the game that is cool, I'm only voicing my opinion about the general powerlevel of these new cards.

The game experience is a different matter for each person, oppressive/strong decks come and go. My frustration comes from the fact that I'm not accepting what they did with SoU.

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posted August 19, 2019 03:51 PM

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That's actually one of the problems with Hearthstone. Opening 30 packs and not having luck with getting the "cool cards" does keep you out of the fun.

I opened 40+ packs, got a couple of quests, Reno and a few epics, only crafted Zephrys and Puzzlebox and I don't feel I'm being kept out of the fun. I just make my own fun!

Seriously though, yes some decks and card combinations are very powerful, but there seems to be at least some variety and most of those powerful decks can be interacted with, unlike the time when we just had a lot of combo decks that just stalled until they hit their combo. And things are going to change still. Zuljin seemed insane when he came out, but then people learned to anticipate his huge swing and hold a card or two to play around him and now he's just pretty good. If that.
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posted August 19, 2019 04:45 PM

blob2 said:
Yeah you are right Minion, I'm thinking about taking a break. I know you're recently quite biased against me, but that's ok, I can understand where you are coming from.


I am curious where?

As for comparisons with MtG, you can do it a bit but they are fundamentally different games. Hearstone never has, and never will try to be MtG. Sure the target audience overlaps, but they try to provide a different experience.

Oh And there is nothing in Hearthstone that snowballs early as hard as lets say Ajanis Pridemate. Still I play MtG almost daily, so I love the game. I get frustrated with both games now and then.

So maybe it is your bias against Blizzard that is seeping through? You have voiced your opinion on the company now in quite a many threads.

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posted August 19, 2019 05:02 PM
Edited by blob2 at 19:29, 19 Aug 2019.

I simply get this vibe from the way you write those posts. Maybe I'm imagining things? Well one of you're recent posts seems to be pretty straightforward though. You like the game at its current state, and most people can tell I'm not an expert when it comes to evaluating it, so my negativity probably irritates you. But it's OK, I don't mind it you if you don't agree with my way of thinking, maybe I deserve this approach even...

I say "I know where you're coming from", because I can relate to this. I very much like AoW: Planetfall, and for me most negative opinions about it are "controversial" to say the least... I simply don't understand how and why some people criticize it so. Opinions I guess.

Minion said:
So maybe it is your bias against Blizzard that is seeping through? You have voiced your opinion on the company now in quite a many threads.


I have a complicated relation with Blizzard at the moment. I always liked their games, but I can't stand their current mishaps and policy, dictated by times/market/money or not. Hearthstone is an important game for me, as it probably has one of the biggest in-game hours count from the games I played over the years. I literally play it non stop since it initially came out. I think only HoMM III has a bigger record. I will pick up up Warcraft III Reforged, because this is how much I love the original game. That doesn't change the fact I currently see Blizzard in negative light, a company that has my respect not for their current ways, but their legacy...

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