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blob2
blob2


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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted May 24, 2016 09:25 PM
Edited by blob2 at 21:30, 24 May 2016.

Btw, HS has become a game in which even idiots win with you cause they have better luck. Topdecks, 2x 4 dmg Implosion or 3 dmg Lightning Storms. Shamans are the least of my concerns. Fun and interactive game...

PS: Gah, golden Forbidden Healing. I just hate it when I get a golden Epic of a card which I didn't have. 400 dust, but I can't dust it cause I don't know if I'll get another copy (I still have those golden Sideshow and Reaver for instance). And it's a good card...

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Supreme Hero
posted May 24, 2016 09:28 PM

Thanks for the info

P.S.  I, too, have seen a lot of Harrison Jones lately ....grrrr

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Minion
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posted May 24, 2016 09:43 PM

"Has become"? XD

Like it always wasn't. xD You need to have stamina in this game. You need to play dozens of games, so the luck starts to affect less overall. Everyone can win, and I mean EVERYONE, even the guy who is playing for the first time. But if you take 20 games, and see how you do, that tells more about the player (and the deck), than a single unlucky loss.

That being said, I hate Imp-losion from the bottom of my heart. That is so badly designed card it makes me puke. Double randomness ( you can get double Imps and double damage). It means WIN if the target has 4 HP. God I hate that card
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted May 24, 2016 10:16 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:20, 24 May 2016.

Minion said:
"Has become"? XD


Like it always wasn't


More then ever at least...

Minion said:
You need to have stamina in this game


Or time

Skill? Then how do you counter a 6/6 Secretkeeper + 2 x Knife Juggler hitting only face with knives by turn 4 with a Druid (S-keeper was brought back via Redemption). Oh, and I was the Secret Pally

Some time ago I was able to get consecutive wins with every deck, even experimental ones. Now I'm loosing more the ever, even when playing netdecks btw. How is that? Either it's a string of bad luck or the game has come to a point in which the unbalance with some cards/archetypes is visible too obviously...

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Minion
Minion


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posted May 24, 2016 10:42 PM

A 6/6 secret keeper? you can't win. Just admit it. Concede.

Is it OP? Yes of course. Does it happen every time? Hell no.

Aggro decks have openings that are UNBEATABLE. Just accept it, and don't beat yourself over it. It doesn't matter if you play a snowty deck or a netdeck you WILL loose when they draw like that.

That is in the nature of Hearthstone and either you accept it or you change to another game. Some games are unwinnable, simple as that. You should not feel bad about it, because everyone else has been there too. And heck, even YOU have drawn like a god and laughed because you just rolled over your opponent. Just admit it
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted May 24, 2016 11:20 PM
Edited by blob2 at 23:24, 24 May 2016.

Minion said:
A 6/6 secret keeper? you can't win. Just admit it. Concede.


Ehrm, Minion, like I said, I was the Secret Pally The salty one was the other player I even wondered if he'll invite me as a friend just to BM me afterwards...

PS: I insta-concede when I see a Secret Pally on the other side. Besides, these days I concede 2-3 turns in the game when I see a netdeck player having a great curve. I figure it's faster to start a new game then wait a few more turns to be beaten, cause the outcome is obvious at some point. Not worth it...

And no, I'm so over it when I loose this kind of games. What I'm trying to point out is that I'm hating the fact I'm having so many of these loss after loss chains nowadays...

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The_Polyglot


Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
posted May 25, 2016 05:03 PM

Click for a Hearthstone-themed tableau of graduating high-schoolers
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Abaddon


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posted May 25, 2016 06:18 PM

Blob I really think you need to reevaluate what you want from this game. Why do you play hearthstone?
It doesn't seem like you do it for the competitive aspect
blob2 said:
I'm afraid I won't be of much help here as I'm not a ladder player. Don't have the nerve to do so, and I usually stop laddering on hitting level 15.

which is maybe why you dont like playing competitive decks because copying a good list of cards is somehow beneath you? Why is it bad to copy a deck someone other than you came up with?
If deckbuilding is the most fun about Hearthstone for you that is totally okay. Great even! Deckbuilding and being creative that way is a big appeal for TCGs in general.

But clearly that isn't enough for you,
blob2 said:

What the f*ck is WRONG with this game!? Winning games in casual was never this f*cking irritating and rough! For a couple of days straight I have this long streaks of loosing game after game via topdecking opponents (f*ck you Warlocks and Mages, no seriously F*CK YOU!)

you also magically want your homebrewd decks to be able to win consistently against competitive decks.
Do you honestly not believe that that is a bit naive?
Why is a netdeck a netdeck?
Because it is a list that has a clear gameplan and the cards that work towards that gameplan as efficiently as possible. They are tried and tested and found the be the most optimal versions of achieving the gameplan they have set for themselves which in turn makes them very competitive. That is a good thing.
You are very vocal in your hatred for netdecks (which I find highly amusing since when you tilt your two "revenge" decks are by far the most cancerous and uncreative decks in hearthstone: Secret Paladin and Aggro Shaman) but you also hate losing.

So what is the solution?
I suggest you try playing competitive decks. There is a wide variety of decks to choose from in the new standard (even now!) Control, Combo, Ramp and Aggro all have very viable decks that different enough within their own archetypes that you should be able to find something. That way you'll win more games simply by virtue of having a good decklist.
If you want to be all creative and make cool decks that you thought of yourself that is great too! But then I suggest you either play them versus friends (the people on here seem like perfectly pleasant opponents why not just add them?) or play them when you want to play just for the fun of piloting a deck you made yourself but not when you want to win.

Also you need to realize you are not the be all end all of Hearthstone knowledge. In fact you seem to be quite bad at the game judging by how you evaluate certain cards, your insistence on popular tropes about popular decks and a severe lack of understanding of what passes for skill in hearthstone. That is not ment as an insult towards you in the slightest, I say it to put your experience of the game into context.
A bad player who cant build good decks (which is really difficult in the first place), doesn't want to netdeck because it somehow feels cheap (?) and still wants to win consistently is bound to have a bad time in this game or any other tcg.

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Minion
Minion


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posted May 25, 2016 06:53 PM

I think he plays so he can open packs It is very addictive.
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Abaddon


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posted May 25, 2016 07:39 PM
Edited by Abaddon at 19:41, 25 May 2016.

Once again just to clarify me saying you are bad is not ment as insult.
My point is simple that the less understanding of the game a person has the more you might feel like you are at the mercy of draws/topdecks or rng in general which is a very frustrating and unrewarding feeling. It makes you feel powerless and like there isn't anything you could have done differently for you to make a difference and overall fuels the perception that Hearthstone is one big slot machine and that is absolutely not healthy for the game enjoyment, you being a shining example of that.

Take me, when I just got into playing Magic the Gathering I was playing kitchentable magic with lots of homebrewd decks and it was a snow ton of fun and since my friends and me are quite competitive we eventually started buying more powerful cards that in the early stages of our experience were insanely broken and completely game changing and unfair, etc. etc. etc.
Losing games to big flashy cards that are very very powerful in obvious ways feels bad if you dont have similar cards and especially bad when you know next to nothing about mana management, board pressure, card advantage and all the other fun stuff experienced tcg players talk about constantly.
It was only once I reached a certain skill level that I got to realize how hilariously wrong my friends and me were.
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markmasters


Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
posted May 25, 2016 08:02 PM

I just want to say I reached rnak 3 with a homebrewed yogsaron druid deck :>

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blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted May 25, 2016 08:24 PM
Edited by blob2 at 20:39, 25 May 2016.

Abaddon said:
Blob I really think you need to reevaluate what you want from this game. Why do you play hearthstone?


Because of packs, obviously Imma a collector!

Abaddon said:
It doesn't seem like you do it for the competitive aspect (...)you dont like playing competitive decks because copying a good list of cards is somehow beneath you? Why is it bad to copy a deck someone other than you came up with?


No it's not beneath me. The thing, and the whole point of my various rants and the point which you seem to be missing, is that I hate the fact that this game is all about netdecks nowadays. You don't have to be a detective to know those are played because they're effective. My problem is that those are the ONLY decks that are played. And I'm not even the only one who finds this frustrating. Just visit a random Hearthstone forum to see how many players are salty that they only face netdecks... it's frustrating and BORING!

With only like 10 decks in a card game that has over 1000 cards, things are bound to get boring this way. Boring with facing the same decks over and over again.

This would be even acceptable, but the main reason of the salt, myself included, is that people play netdecks in CASUAL, a mode meant to be played for fun, not for easy wins. Sure, some people find this amusing, but I DO NOT. I'm not gonna resign from HS (for now at least) because in my opinion it is not the game that is faulty (well, the fault lies on the developers side to some extent for not balancing it well enough). It's because people who play it ruined it for me... I know I'm not the center of the world, but it would be pretty strange if I didn't evaluate a game based on my interests... I don't mind loosing, but loosing because of unfair mechanics or un-answerable plays over and over agains would make even a saint frustrated...

Abaddon said:
If deckbuilding is the most fun about Hearthstone for you that is totally okay. Great even! Deckbuilding and being creative that way is a big appeal for TCGs in general.


When you loose consecutive games with a homebrew deck you feel like an idiot for even trying to bother... And of course I do not mean decks like "only 8+ only minions" which won't be effective by definition. I always try to make decks with all the rules of curves and synergies etc included... I've built quite a few succesful, non-conventional decks over these past two years, so it's not that I have no idea what I'm doing...

Plus, where did I write that I'm suprised my decks aren't competetive exactly? I know too well that decks that aren't netedecks (or it's better to say decks that are not based on obviously OP cards or combos) will have a hard time in the meta, but the thing is, you can't even experiment with various cards, cause the state of the game atm is that if you don't use this limited pool of "good" cards, you won't be succesfull to begin with...

Abaddon said:
But clearly that isn't enough for you,
blob2 said:

What the f*ck is WRONG with this game!? Winning games in casual was never this f*cking irritating and rough! For a couple of days straight I have this long streaks of loosing game after game via topdecking opponents (f*ck you Warlocks and Mages, no seriously F*CK YOU!)



Excuse me, that rant was written in a rage attack, please do not quote such things. I'm certain you also had those days when you wanted to delete this game... plus too-lucky players are the bane of this game

Abaddon said:
you also magically want your homebrewd decks to be able to win consistently against competitive decks.
Do you honestly not believe that that is a bit naive?
Why is a netdeck a netdeck?
Because it is a list that has a clear gameplan and the cards that work towards that gameplan as efficiently as possible. They are tried and tested and found the be the most optimal versions of achieving the gameplan they have set for themselves which in turn makes them very competitive. That is a good thing.


Thanks that's very educational and all, but that is not always the case. Decks can be netdecks because they're built on unfair or unbalanced cards like MC or the now nerfed FoN... or the fact that generally aggro/zoo decks win more often, because you know, math... (this was explained in many videos already) etc

Abaddon said:
You are very vocal in your hatred for netdecks (which I find highly amusing since when you tilt your two "revenge" decks are by far the most cancerous and uncreative decks in hearthstone: Secret Paladin and Aggro Shaman) but you also hate losing.


If you would read my posts more throughoutfully you would see that I said I only play netedecks as a last resort, after a loosing streak which does not seem to want to end, and mainly on Ladder cause I want the rewards for hitting level 15. Yes I'm an idiot for playing less effctive decks for fun...

Abaddon said:
So what is the solution?
I suggest you try playing competitive decks. There is a wide variety of decks to choose from in the new standard (even now!) Control, Combo, Ramp and Aggro all have very viable decks that different enough within their own archetypes that you should be able to find something. That way you'll win more games simply by virtue of having a good decklist.


I play them from time to time, even out of curiosity, but generally speaking: no thank you, netdecks and mirror matches are boring as hell for me. Well they're not boring cause they're made this way. They're boring cause 90% of the time they have the exact same gameflow, the exact same cards and you see it for the exact 100th time...

Abaddon said:
If you want to be all creative and make cool decks that you thought of yourself that is great too! But then I suggest you either play them versus friends (the people on here seem like perfectly pleasant opponents why not just add them?) or play them when you want to play just for the fun of piloting a deck you made yourself but not when you want to win.


Playing with friends has it's merits but it's not the core of the game. I play with my friends from time to time but we all agree that with the limited time we have, we prefer doing dailies or laddering (some of us at least).

Abaddon said:
Also you need to realize you are not the be all end all of Hearthstone knowledge. In fact you seem to be quite bad at the game judging by how you evaluate certain cards, your insistence on popular tropes about popular decks and a severe lack of understanding of what passes for skill in hearthstone. That is not ment as an insult towards you in the slightest, I say it to put your experience of the game into context.
A bad player who cant build good decks (which is really difficult in the first place), doesn't want to netdeck because it somehow feels cheap (?) and still wants to win consistently is bound to have a bad time in this game or any other tcg.


After over 3500 wins even a monkey would be at least solid in this game, and I'm not a monkey so I might be a bit better

Back to the topic at hand, what you say here is a set example of a personal attack I'm afraid. You don't know squat me, yet you eveluate my knowledge of this game based on a few posts. After that you of course say the standard "don't take it personal" throw in. Funny thing is that I myslef said that I'm not taking myself as a very good player, but hearing it from a complete stranger doesn't feel right. You describe me based on parts of the context like I was some kind of a looser who rages because smart players beat him in a virtual game. You appear from nowhere, state some unfair generalistations and think it's ok. Let me generalize mysef then:

1. I hate netdecks cause they make HS boring. Seeing the same few decks over and over again in a 1000+ cardgame is the definition of boring in my case. To be more precise I mostly hate the fact that players play them in Casual.
2. I'm not a competetive player, yet I do have quite an expierience with the game and I do know well which cards/decks are the most effective atm. Because I enjoy variety I'm not locked in on one deck, and thus I'm not specilized in any archetype so I won't be able to maximize it's potential. To be good with a deck you need to play it over and over again which I don't find that enjoyable.
3. You should be more careful in your approach before describing someone instead of being a lurker who pops out of nowhere cause he doesn't like a particualar users view on a subject. It would be a different thing if you would comment something like an occurrence or a general aspect of the game. I took your statement quite personal as you can see...

PS: Yes, skill. Skill is very useful with bad draw vs opponents that ALWAYS have Reno in hand or a Freeze Mage that burst you down cause he has exact lethal (and no, your not a heal/armor class)...

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Minion
Minion


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posted May 25, 2016 08:25 PM

You seem to deny that a lot of the times there are games you can't win. Not even pro players, no one. That is the nature of card games. There is this premise that there are 30% of your games that you just can't win and they isn't anything you can do about it. There are 30% of the games where you don't have to do really anything, you're just going to win them. It's what you do in the 40% where it really does matter what you do to win that makes or breaks your ranking.

If the other player draws "the nuts" there is nothing you can do about it. Unless you also draw the nuts, when it can be about skill.
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posted May 25, 2016 09:48 PM

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yet you eveluate my knowledge of this game based on a few posts

70+ pages worth of discussion seem like a fair bit more than "a few posts". And what are posts in the end but your opinions and knowledge put into words? Seems like a perfectly fair base from which to draw conclusions.

Quote:
This would be even acceptable, but the main reason of the salt, myself included, is that people play netdecks in CASUAL, a mode meant to be played for fun, not for easy wins.

Admittingly casual is in a bad spot because on the one side of the spectrum there are players like you who just want to do wacky stuff and others who have fun winning. So they play to win. With good decks. That's not a sin lol.
If you want to practice a deck before taking it to ranked the only place you can go is casual. Some people dont like playing ranked because they get anxious that they lose stars and again the only place they can go is casual. But that doesn't make them evil or mean for playing netdecks in casual it is simply the only way it can be for those who do not want to play ranked.

Quote:
I always try to make decks with all the rules of curves and synergies etc included... I've built quite a few succesful, non-conventional decks over these past two years, so it's not that I have no idea what I'm doing...

How would you know if any of your decks were successful? You dont play ladder, you dont test yourself against progressively better players, I assume you haven't won any tournaments with your lists ir haven't made it anywhere close to legend (all of which would objectively be indicators that any given decklist has merit/is good/competitive) have you?

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I know too well that decks that aren't netedecks (or it's better to say decks that are not based on obviously OP cards or combos) will have a hard time in the meta

No deck that is just vanila minions is going to be a good deck. Every deck needs something "op", it doesn't have to be as blatant as MC but why are dragon decks good? Because they get overstated minions for their cost with cool abilities. That's op and yet you find that acceptable. What made old handlock insane? A turn 4 8/8 that was op back then. Zoo who in a vacuum has relatively unproblematic cards that are easy to answer individually, is an "op" deck because of its swarm style, etc. etc. etc. any good deck has something "op" about them. Any deck you've ever built had something "op" about it something that makes the deck good. And thats fine why the hell would you want play bad decks? You want your deck to be good at SOMETHING.

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If you would read my posts more throughoutfully you would see that I said I only play netedecks as a last resort, after a loosing streak which does not seem to want to end, and mainly on Ladder cause I want the rewards for hitting level 15. Yes I'm an idiot for playing less effctive decks for fun...

I said exactly that. I said you play them when you tilt and want revenge. Nowhere did I say that they were your preferred method of playing the game.
And you're not and idiot for playing fun decks I played freakin pirate warrior from rank 8 to rank 4 only dropping 4 games and I believe even you'd have a hard time complaining about how "obivously broken" or "OP" that deck is.

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After over 3500 wins even a monkey would be at least solid in this game, and I'm not a monkey so I might be a bit better

No. An arbitrary amount of wins over an unspecified amount of time doesn't mean you're any good at this game. Reaching legend, winning a tournament, being good at arena or at the very least consistently placing highly on ladder means you're any good at the game. Good as in competent.
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Yes, skill. Skill is very useful with bad draw vs opponents that ALWAYS have Reno in hand or a Freeze Mage that burst you down cause he has exact lethal (and no, your not a heal/armor class)...

This is not something somebody says who is good at the game. Who understands the game. Everyone tilts occasionally and will be prone to say dumb snow but you do it consistently.

If you feel singled out it is because I am indeed adressing you specifically. I read this forum very casually and since I enjoy hearthstone I occasionally look in here.
And you are so blatantly wrong about so many many things in hearthstone that it just gets frustrating to read. Mostly because there are other players in this thread who aren't very experienced and they think your opinions carry actual value when so much you say is clearly fueled by embitterment and a very fundamental lack of understanding of the game, which is in no shape or form a good attitude to pass on to new players.

So yeah if you take it personal, good. You should. Not because I want to hurt you, I really really do not (why would I want to anyway?) but because I want you to change your toxic and false understanding of the game.

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blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted May 26, 2016 12:03 AM
Edited by blob2 at 00:04, 26 May 2016.

Abaddon said:
But that doesn't make them evil or mean for playing netdecks in casual it is simply the only way it can be for those who do not want to play ranked.


So all those BM players also play netedecks in Casual cause they're anxious to play Ladder? Please... and don't deny the fact that there is a big group of such players. Netdecks allow such players to troll other players who are "unlucky" enough to be playing less competetive/experimental/countered decks atm.

Abaddon said:
How would you know if any of your decks were successful? You dont play ladder, you dont test yourself against progressively better players, I assume you haven't won any tournaments with your lists ir haven't made it anywhere close to legend (all of which would objectively be indicators that any given decklist has merit/is good/competitive) have you?


I don't know that. I can only assume how good my deck is on the fact how many wins I get with it or how many popular decks I'm beating with it and how often it occurs. But to some point you can achieve good results with not so obvious decks (which you yourself had pointed out) with smart plays and a bit of luck. What's your point here?

Abaddon said:
Any deck you've ever built had something "op" about it something that makes the deck good. And thats fine why the hell would you want play bad decks? You want your deck to be good at SOMETHING.


Not entirely. Sometimes it's about ironing out a theme or a mechanic, not something 'good' in particular (like my Battlecry Shaman for instance). Plus playing bad decks is a sport in it's own. Ever heard of Randuin Wrynn?

Abaddon said:
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If you would read my posts more throughoutfully you would see that I said I only play netedecks as a last resort, after a loosing streak which does not seem to want to end, and mainly on Ladder cause I want the rewards for hitting level 15. Yes I'm an idiot for playing less effctive decks for fun...

I said exactly that. I said you play them when you tilt and want revenge. Nowhere did I say that they were your preferred method of playing the game.


True, you didn't say that. Revenge is a bad word here cause it usually hits a different player, I prefer to say I have the need to be on the non-salt side...

Abaddon said:
Quote:
After over 3500 wins even a monkey would be at least solid in this game, and I'm not a monkey so I might be a bit better

No. An arbitrary amount of wins over an unspecified amount of time doesn't mean you're any good at this game. Reaching legend, winning a tournament, being good at arena or at the very least consistently placing highly on ladder means you're any good at the game. Good as in competent.


Figured you would say that, but actually is there any way to proof anything about my records to you? No, there is no way I can proof anything to you. What if I said to you I've reached Legend a few months back? Would you belive me? If I ever win a tournament remind me to notice you...

Abaddon said:
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Yes, skill. Skill is very useful with bad draw vs opponents that ALWAYS have Reno in hand or a Freeze Mage that burst you down cause he has exact lethal (and no, your not a heal/armor class)...

This is not something somebody says who is good at the game. Who understands the game. Everyone tilts occasionally and will be prone to say dumb snow but you do it consistently.


What makes someone good in this game? The ability to react, plan, bait, stall and predict plays, and counter or put pressure accordingly. What makes a competetive player good in HS? The ability to maximize these things even in the face of similar decks with the same potential or even worse, counter decks (Freeze Mage vs Control Warrior for instance). Simply put: adapt. Additionally, because tournaments are about archetypes and rock-paper-scissor dependency, a good player must know all the bits and pieces about the deck he is playing, and have some other attributes like intuition or cold calculation.

The fact that I'm loosing to netdecks even if I know what's coming and the fact that a good player will say that with smart plays everything is doable makes me a bad player in your eyes? Correct! I'm not only unable to counter obvious plays, but at the same time I also have the nerve to blame it on the RNG!? The NERVE!

Abaddon said:
And you are so blatantly wrong about so many many things in hearthstone that it just gets frustrating to read. Mostly because there are other players in this thread who aren't very experienced and they think your opinions carry actual value when so much you say is clearly fueled by embitterment and a very fundamental lack of understanding of the game, which is in no shape or form a good attitude to pass on to new players.


They can always use their head. If someone asks you about something you try to reply using your knowledge, it's natural don't you think? But most of the time I spend here is to either vent/rage or share some positive happenings, not to tutor other players...

And if you have this type of a missionary nature why not be more active on this forum? Where were you when I spouted this "blatantly wrong" nonsense to save all those poor players from my bad knowledge? I suppose you don't have as much time to waste as me on this forum, but would'nt it be FAR more constructive if you made some counter posts to error my ways instead of making those epic posts now?

Abaddon said:
So yeah if you take it personal, good. You should. Not because I want to hurt you, I really really do not (why would I want to anyway?) but because I want you to change your toxic and false understanding of the game.


If I things like this hurt me, I would leave HS months ago...

You're perfectly right about one thing though: my venting here. I admit there was too much of it lately, but this does not come from nowhere. Hearthstone has become a bad game for goofing around, at least from my standpoint. "Goofing around was so much easier back in the day! You made c*ap deck and you still won, but now bad netdeck players take all your fun by not letting you win... jinkies!"

My frustration probably comes from the fact that the gist of the game is becoming less and less friendly for the type of the player I am. Oh well, easy come easy go, maybe I should move on to something I can do, like moving rocks or digging holes...

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Abaddon
Abaddon


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posted May 26, 2016 11:39 AM

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So all those BM players also play netedecks in Casual cause they're anxious to play Ladder? Please... and don't deny the fact that there is a big group of such players. Netdecks allow such players to troll other players who are "unlucky" enough to be playing less competetive/experimental/countered decks atm.

So now you're BM for playing a netdeck in casual? I already explained to you that there is a perfectly logical explanation for you running into a lot of netdecks in casual.
It is the only game-mode other than ranked! A lot of people simply do not want to play ranked all the time for a multitude of perfectly acceptable reasons. You should know you, you barely play any ladder at all!
And its not the "netdeck" that allows people to beat people with less refined lists, you can play a netdeck and still get snow on by some brew someone thought up. Its about how the match ups plays out and how you (the player) plays it.
Casual still has match making. You dont just get randomly paired with other players to prevent new players or less experienced players getting rofl stomped by good players (it will have next to nothing to do with what deck they're playing)
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But to some point you can achieve good results with not so obvious decks (which you yourself had pointed out) with smart plays and a bit of luck. What's your point here?

That is my entire point. You constantly snow and complain how one can't really have fun and be competitive on ladder (or casual) with homebrew'd decks because of "evil netdecks" when I just told you (and to some extend the wolfrider guy from before me) that you can play wierdass lists (the last card is skycaptain kragg) and still get really good results. Skill is the most deciding factor in how far you can take a deck.

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Not entirely. Sometimes it's about ironing out a theme or a mechanic, not something 'good' in particular (like my Battlecry Shaman for instance). Plus playing bad decks is a sport in it's own. Ever heard of Randuin Wrynn?

But that is simply not true. Battlecry shaman has rumble elemental which is a superknifejuggler and insanely strong if you can go off with it.
Any random deck is also very powerful they are just incredibly inconsistent. But stuff like mad and madder bomber are insane if you get lucky coinflips as is any other heavy RNG card if and only if you get lucky. The appeal of the randuin decks is that you have little agency in the game but that you just might get lucky and have cards completely screw over your opponents without you having set anything up, you just get rewarded heavily for being lucky which can be fun.

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Figured you would say that, but actually is there any way to proof anything about my records to you? No, there is no way I can proof anything to you. What if I said to you I've reached Legend a few months back? Would you belive me? If I ever win a tournament remind me to notice you...

It is a bummer indeed that there is no real collection of a players HS data in the client other than getting a cardback for reaching legend.
But sure you can add me on EU, show me that sweet legend card back. If you were just to tell me that you reached legend I'd not believe you in the slightest lol. And your opinions and lack of understanding of the game go a far way as to "proving" your records to me.

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The fact that I'm loosing to netdecks even if I know what's coming and the fact that a good player will say that with smart plays everything is doable makes me a bad player in your eyes? Correct! I'm not only unable to counter obvious plays, but at the same time I also have the nerve to blame it on the RNG!? The NERVE!

Yes. The nerve indeed. If the plays are so obvious, so painstakingly clear to you then how come you still can't answer them?
Do you honestly believe that it's all simple rng? That they get their tunnel trogg/mana wyrm/flame imp/secret keeper on turn 1 everytime by sheer luck? You sit there with no answer because they're netdecking and you aren't therefor you automatically lose.
Maybe its because you dont put enough answers for a 1/3 or 1/2 on turn 1 into your deck, maybe its because you dont hardmulligan for those answers in the matchups maybe its because you dont know actually know how to do anything about it and you really just are at the mercy of "good draws". Then I can understand that you don't have fun in hearthstone but I gurante you you'll have no fun in any other TCG.

And no not everything is doable. Like minion said sometimes you sit there facing the complete nut draw and you didn't draw any answers from your deck. That happens in any card game. Sometimes you'll have bad draws and your opponent will just steamroll you with a godlike curve. That is in the nature of TCGs but you lose as many games to your opponent having the nuts as you win yourself thanks to having a nut draw. Those cases however are not the norm as I'm sure you understand.

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Where were you when I spouted this "blatantly wrong" nonsense to save all those poor players from my bad knowledge? I suppose you don't have as much time to waste as me on this forum, but would'nt it be FAR more constructive if you made some counter posts to error my ways instead of making those epic posts now?

Yes it would and maybe i'll get around to doing that eventually but since I didn't just stop coming here altogether I felt the urge to act and correct your hideously wrong conceptions of the game. Or at the very least acknowledge that the source of your misery in Hearthstone doesn't come from Hearthstone but rather from you but you are very clearly unable to do that. It's always something else with you, it's the netdecks! The RNG!! Topdecking opponents how dare they the fiends! Drawing not-bad cards they put in their deck! The fault always lies with something out of your control with you.
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emilsn91
emilsn91


Supreme Hero
posted May 26, 2016 04:37 PM

When you have not been on the forums for a few days

What is going on here ?

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Abaddon
Abaddon


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posted May 26, 2016 06:03 PM
Edited by Abaddon at 18:04, 26 May 2016.

It should be fairly evident if you read any of the posts. I'm trying to explain to blob that he is missing out on a lot of the depth of hearthstone.
The skill ceiling is not particularly high in HS but its  still high. There is a lot of depth you can miss out on, and when you do the game feels like a slot machine which leads to the attitude you can find in many of his posts.
Since most of you either don't bother to stop him or are so new to the game that you wouldn't know any better I decided that enough is enough and tell him where he is wrong.
It is most likely going to be a futile endeavor judging by how entrenched he seems to be on his absurd stances on netdecks and rng but I still had to tell him.
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Minion
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posted May 26, 2016 06:23 PM
Edited by Minion at 19:04, 26 May 2016.

I just think he likes to vent out, no need to "stop him" completely. But you make some good points, something to think about the very least.

Now that you are here maybe something more to the topic, tell me how to play/tech up against Miracle Rogue if I play N'Zoth Priest or Paladin, because I love the decks atm but Miracle Rogue just rapes me

Edit: Oh nevermind, Priest is so bad against Rogue there is not much to do. My winrate is 30%
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posted May 26, 2016 06:52 PM
Edited by blob2 at 18:58, 26 May 2016.

Abaddon said:
So now you're BM for playing a netdeck in casual? I already explained to you that there is a perfectly logical explanation for you running into a lot of netdecks in casual.


Well you didn't understand what I had in mind. I didn't mean that you're a Bad Mannered player for playing a netdeck. What I've meant is that a lot of BM players, guys who spam emotes, rope and add you to the friendlist afterwards just to boast or offend you, are playing netdecks. Because they know that a deck like Facehunter (a bit of an overdue example) makes a lot of people angry becuase of high winrates, and bad PR.

Abaddon said:
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But to some point you can achieve good results with not so obvious decks (which you yourself had pointed out) with smart plays and a bit of luck. What's your point here?

That is my entire point. You constantly snow and complain how one can't really have fun and be competitive on ladder (or casual) with homebrew'd decks because of "evil netdecks"


Sigh, how many times will I have to tell you that I do not have a problem facing netdecks. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FACING ONLY NETDECKS, which is a problem in HS atm.

Abaddon said:
But that is simply not true. Battlecry shaman has rumble elemental which is a superknifejuggler and insanely strong if you can go off with it.


'If you can go off with it' which means that in most cases it's an uneffective card. Good cards in Heartshtone are cards that always work to some extent, not cards that need a lot of different factors being present to be effective (or else they're only a tempo loss or sth). It's not only my opinion, there are a lot of card analisis out there. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy playing RE at some point...

Abaddon said:
Any random deck is also very powerful they are just incredibly inconsistent. But stuff like mad and madder bomber are insane if you get lucky coinflips as is any other heavy RNG card if and only if you get lucky. The appeal of the randuin decks is that you have little agency in the game but that you just might get lucky and have cards completely screw over your opponents without you having set anything up, you just get rewarded heavily for being lucky which can be fun.


Your telling me about appeal, not effectivness as in being strong. Sure they might get strong in some cases, but they're far form consistent. Additionally you seem to be condradicting yourself. First you tell me that netdecks are good because they have a refined gameplan, with which I agree, but then you tell about powerful RNG decks which are inconsistent. How is 'luck' a factor in a refined deck? It is a popular opinion that the less RNG in a deck the better it is. Of course, there are decks that are based on RNG and luck, but they're definately not in top tiers... Besides, how many Mad Bombers do you see in popular netdecks? And nobody plays Randuin competetively.

To make things clear, because that might be the reason for our disagreement, what I mean when saying netedecks, I only have top tier decks in mind.

Abaddon said:
But sure you can add me on EU, show me that sweet legend card back. If you were just to tell me that you reached legend I'd not believe you in the slightest lol. And your opinions and lack of understanding of the game go a far way as to "proving" your records to me.


No thank you, I won't add a guy to my friendlist that is so full of himself. Hmm, though at this point I do wonder what are you're records. If you're so full of yourself that must mean you at least have one tournament reward sitting somewhere on your desk... I might not be a good player, but I'm definately not so full of myself as you.

Abaddon said:
Yes. The nerve indeed. If the plays are so obvious, so painstakingly clear to you then how come you still can't answer them?
Do you honestly believe that it's all simple rng? That they get their tunnel trogg/mana wyrm/flame imp/secret keeper on turn 1 everytime by sheer luck? You sit there with no answer because they're netdecking and you aren't therefor you automatically lose. Maybe its because you dont put enough answers for a 1/3 or 1/2 on turn 1 into your deck, maybe its because you dont hardmulligan for those answers in the matchups maybe its because you dont know actually know how to do anything about it and you really just are at the mercy of "good draws". Then I can understand that you don't have fun in hearthstone but I gurante you you'll have no fun in any other TCG.


RNG is a big factor in the game. Even if you predict some plays and keep saving answers there's no chance in hell you're gonna predict everything. Also, mulligan won't always work in your favor, and you might not draw an answer until it's too late (snowballing cards like Councilman). Plus you're opponent can also predict what you're gonna do next...

Besides, if only the cards you mentioned were the most problematic in HS... Do you not read what cards are considered to be most unfair nowadays. Or why some decks are hard to beat if you don't have enough removals or a teched in card? You won't always draw Harrison or Ooze to stop that Doomhammer. If you don't see a problem here you're the ignorant one...

Abaddon said:
And no not everything is doable. Like minion said sometimes you sit there facing the complete nut draw and you didn't draw any answers from your deck. That happens in any card game. Sometimes you'll have bad draws and your opponent will just steamroll you with a godlike curve. That is in the nature of TCGs but you lose as many games to your opponent having the nuts as you win yourself thanks to having a nut draw. Those cases however are not the norm as I'm sure you understand.


If you understand this much why are you so concetrated on telling me I'm in the wrong. You say it yourself some thing can't be controlled. Like a loosing streak. If you didn't expierience such a thing as a loosing streak (most of us on this board did from what I can tell) then you're one happy player.

Abaddon said:
Or at the very least acknowledge that the source of your misery in Hearthstone doesn't come from Hearthstone but rather from you but you are very clearly unable to do that. It's always something else with you, it's the netdecks! The RNG!! Topdecking opponents how dare they the fiends! Drawing not-bad cards they put in their deck! The fault always lies with something out of your control with you.


If I'm what you portrait me to be that makes you the opposite: someone who's either blind on some of the bad sides of the game (balancing, lack of variety, BM players, RNG being too much of a factor in some cases etc), a great sage who can perfectly control his emotions in face of bad luck, or a master in this game who has a 90% winrate or something. And ultimately, what is wrong with raging when things don't go your way? Never had a player topdecking a Fireball in your face making you furious? I don't belive it...

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