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Abaddon
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posted May 26, 2016 06:59 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with tilting occasionally but when he isn't on tilt his opinions are still based on nothing factual. Its just resentment and misconceptions and that needs to stop.
And well I don't play N'zoth priest myself but in general you against miracle rogue you want to pressure them early and considering how hard it is for either of those decks it is to get early pressure down you need to have a board clear for the turn 6 gadgetzan engineer. Unfortunately for both classes that requires a two card combo.
As paladin don't be shy to use humilities/aldors on the 5/4 or shadow word death them as priest since miracle really don't have many good other targets (except for maybe the occasional all in van cleef)
Again I'm not a N'zoth priest player but I'd think it be good to mulligan for the 1/2 discover guy and take whatever you can get on the board in a reasonable amount of time same goes for the 4/3 deathrattle shade thing.
I'm pretty sure that as paladin its a doomed match up unless their engineers and cold bloods are at the bottom of the deck. Since the deck puts on basically 0 pressure till like turn 6 and that is IF you have a Sylvanas/Cairne by that time, which is still a slow clock, sap rains on the measly amount of tempo you clawed out with a truesilver and you'll never get any significant amount of recruits on the board since his dagger kills two/fan just ruins it.
Otherwise depending on what version of miracle it is it is important to keep in mind how much damage they're going to do to you. Occasionally you can make it through simply by forcing them to go for it leaving you at a very low life total but then you can stablize from there since they only run a finite amount of damage but that should be more difficult the better your opponent is seeing as they will not do it unless they have no other out.
If you wanna go really deep you tech in the 3/3 that randomly transforms something other than himself into a 1/1 or 5/5 so you can snipe the concealed engineer since even the 5/5 is a more welcome scenario but it is probably going to be a dead card in other match ups.
All in all you should probably accept that that is just a really snow matchup for those decks, just like Control Warrior vs Freeze Mage. They just get to play solitaire since you put them under no pressure which just means they get to draw all the cards in the world and set up their turns perfectly
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted May 26, 2016 07:02 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 19:09, 26 May 2016.
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One thing I have to disagree with you blob2 is that people play these netdecks to BM. I think they just want to grind or do dailies mostly. If I get the Shaman daily, I use the aggro because I can't make Totem Shaman and I hate the class so I just want to do away with it asap 
Edit: Well indeed that is so, there is no reason to tech against it. The winrate will be negative anyways, and I start losing Zoo and Shaman matches which these decks do decently against (yay!). Usually I go really low but can stabilize, when I win. That Shifting Shade is so bad against Rogue, because Drake + Backstab clears it and the tempo loss is massive. I dread playing them at all, oh and of course Poisoned Blade and weapon also. I hope I don't draw Shade at all
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted May 26, 2016 07:33 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 20:01, 26 May 2016.
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Like @Minion said I like to vent, too much for my own good, but there are also some things you seem to miss out about me. Even if I'm not a tournament material player I'm still a human being that likes to play a game for fun (and who defines "fun" by his own standards). I don't find fun in the things like the games depth that you're talking about. Not everyone finds fun in competetivness, bringing the most out of decks and playing around rules that define what a good deck is. Like you said, there's no fun in playing bad decks, but there's also no fun when good decks are the only way to play. One of the problems with Heartshtone is that the rift between goofy and refined decks has become too big.
Of course you could say if I know this then why I'm so full of pretense. I reap what I saw. I play goofy decks, then I'm getting wrecked. But the problem is that there is too much of a disproportion in it. I'm litterally forced to abide by the rules if I want to get something out of this game...
@Abbadon: And there's this whole bad match-up thing that you yourself seem to acknowledge. On one hand you say a smart player will work things out because he sees the depth of strategy in HS on the other you say some games are simply unwinable. And bad match-ups are unwinable most of the time... Where do you think a big chunk of my venting here comes from? Aside from RNG. Bad match-ups are also the case.
You say that a bad player thinks of HS like a slot machine because he does not understand the game. Belive me that when I'm venting I have a good reason to do so. I must agree there is a lot of good stuff behind your reasonings, but although this is very subjective a lot of different factors stand behind my venting here and I'm not even sure if I'm able to communicate them here correctly (not only are those things I might have trouble to actually put into words, but also the fact I'm not a native English speaker). But misunderstanding of the game is definately not one of them...
Building a good deck means it has to use a specific pool of cards to stand against good decks. That means a lot of card slots are already pre-occupied. That leaves only a few spots to try uncoventional cards. You won't pick a less popular card, cause you know that for a deck to at least stand a chance it needs some staple cards. It's a problem that every card game (btw Heartshtone is not a TCG cause you don't trade cards between players. It's a Collectible Card Game) faces at some point: some cards become too dominant, and you have to change the rules to keep things fresh. I'm ranting because some netdecks become too dominant in this game, and dictate everything about it. But of course, that's my problem... there are people who enjoy a stablelized meta.
Minion said:
One thing I have to disagree with you blob2 is that people play these netdecks to BM
Then why the hell do they BM so much? That's not normal, especially when grinding. Maybe you guys do not meet such players?
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted May 26, 2016 07:54 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 21:05, 26 May 2016.
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Do you mean they spam emotes? I thought you meant that they play cancerous decks which you considered BM 
If someone emotes too much, not too often that happens, I just silence them after two emotes or so I wouldn't know it they would have just gone on and on.
Edit: And yeah fun is different for different people. For me the most fun is baiting out removals like Executes so I can slam down an Ysera for a win. It takes time and patience, and I love it. I love counting the removal opponent has so I know when to play better threats.
That is why for me, I hate decks that just throw their hands to the board and watch if the opponent has AoE or not. I hate losing to them, and I hate playing them. I know good players do not empty their hands completely, but it really frustrates me when I can't punish a player when they make such a mistake. I should always have AoE
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted May 27, 2016 11:53 AM |
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I like HS very much, playing it for about 3 months now. Reading here every now and then, but still have problems with some of your used terms 
Could you enlighten me a bit please? 
"netdeck"?
"BM"?
"miracle rogue"?
"RNG"?
"BrM card"?
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...and even more...
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Abaddon
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 27, 2016 01:05 PM |
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Edited by Abaddon at 13:20, 27 May 2016.
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This should hopefully have most of the answers you want. For a more in depth answer to what things mean feel free to ask.
Also if you are new to the game you'll eventually reach the point where you run into people with decks that will have an significant edge over you simply due to card quality.
Here are some Budget Deckslists with explanations on the basic strategy behind every deck and an indepth analysis on why each card is run as well as the more competitive alternate choices you have should you like the deck and decide to try an make it better.
It should prove useful until you have a bigger collection and can make any deck you want to. That is if you can live with yourself for netdecking.
Another thing you might find useful are Trumps Teachings, this is not about how you get build a big wall and have mexicans pay for it but rather a popular and highly skilled Hearthstone streamer explaining various concepts integral to card games in general but Hearthstone in particular.
Trump is unlike his name would suggest one of the few rather pleasant hearthstone streamers. His focus is on being educational rather than being a cesspool of memes and degenerate behaviour.
If it feels too much like a chore watching the video I suggest you just have them open in the background and then tune in when you hear something that interests you. I'd advise you to give them a go since they are very informative and understanding the concepts he explains will help any player a significant amount.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted May 27, 2016 07:21 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:47, 27 May 2016.
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Oh yiss, nothing like getting Dragonlord in a pack nearly two weeks after crafting one Ragnaros 2 will have a friend in the Twisting Nether of dust
Nevertheless Dragonlord's cool, if not Sap-ped or Silenced (btw Silence is really rare these days), he can be really dangerous. Also, Forbidden Healing has siginificantly boosted my Dragon Paladin. A 10 mana late game play: Twilight Guardian and a 12 health heal has helped me win twice already...
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted May 27, 2016 07:53 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 19:55, 27 May 2016.
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To paraphrase.
"netdeck" = A decklist found/copied from the internet.
"BM"? = Bad Mannered. Usually refers to emote spamming.
"miracle rogue"? = A Rogue deck that draws a lot with Gadgetzan Auctioneer.
"RNG"? = Basically anything "random". Random Number Generator.
"BrM card"? = A card obtained from the adventure Black Rock Mountain
@blob2. I crafted a Forbidden Healing for the N'Zoth Paladin and received another from a pack right after it, yay!
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2016 10:09 PM |
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted May 27, 2016 10:42 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:34, 28 May 2016.
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Minion said:
@blob2. I crafted a Forbidden Healing for the N'Zoth Paladin and received another from a pack right after it, yay!
I've got it from a pack. A golden one I think one is enough atm cause I don't plan to make a Healadin/N'Zoth Paladin in the near future.
Oh, and it's an interesting read Emil. C'Thun decks seem less and less popular in meta, but I've seen an interesting idea for a deck. An Evolve Shaman which uses Vel'kor, but does not use C'Thun. His effect still applies though, so you can have a 2x8 mana minion turn 8 using the Twins...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted May 28, 2016 10:07 AM |
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I saw that deck as well (I guess you and I are too much on Hearthpwn ) and if only I had the Veklor twins, I would try it for sure
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Dragon_Slayer
Honorable
Supreme Hero
toss toss toss
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posted May 28, 2016 10:32 AM |
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Imagine my surprise after a few months off HS I come back to this new Wild and Standard mode. Key cards from my decks cant be used in standard ranked, The Dr. Boom I farmed for cant be used, no Mad Scientist secret deathrattles on my Mage... I feel like unless i stick to Wild its gonna take me ages to farm decks and dust to craft new competitive cards for the meta.
I get what Blizzard is trying to do with the cards you can use in standard always changing. I suppose it keeps the meta fresh, but for some reason im just not feeling it. Maybe im just too opposed to change lol
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted May 28, 2016 10:53 AM |
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Dragon-slayer - Dont worry. It will turn around. The new modes are pretty good. It has had a positive effect on the game so far. Though the effect is very little so far, but it might change at some point.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted May 31, 2016 08:08 AM |
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Just had a tough few days with warrior quests. I have no interest in warrior and I have no really good cards. ended up making a patron deck and it was 40/60 win chance.. Took a while and a boring way to play...
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted May 31, 2016 01:55 PM |
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Today I received Tinkmaster Overspark in a pack.
At first i sighed and was skeptical but.....With all the powerfull deathrattle around I actually noticed he is pretty decent for classes that lack transformation like Hex and polymorph.
I use it in druid and warrior. Opponent plays cairne/tyrion or something else? worst case scenario it's now a 5/5, best case it's a 1/1 for 3 mana.
Of course the only unreliable part is that it must be the only minion on the board, but generally druid and warrior have no problems with that trough swipe, wrath, ghouls, execute and whatmore.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted May 31, 2016 01:57 PM |
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted May 31, 2016 06:34 PM |
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@Dragon Slayer. Just stick to Wild. It is exactly the same mode what you have played before - basically nothing has changed for you. Except they added more cards with the latest expansion.
@markmasters. Having the Tinkmaster transform a Tirion into a Squirrel is so much fun xD
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted May 31, 2016 07:06 PM |
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Gonna have to finally try Overspark in a deck, but atm I don't quite have a place to fit him in. With the recent rise in popularity of Deathrattles he might be good actually. With each 'hexed' minion the impact of late game N'Zoth wavers. Shame that he's not a 3/4 though...
Oh, and @markmasters you have to copy the url into your browser search field cause emil made a mistake in the hyperlink somewhere probably.
@emilsn91
Did you try Warrior decks that are more in your style? OTK Worgen Warrior is budgety and pretty good (tried him myself some time ago and he was decent). Or maybe Pirate Warrior? There's also this heavy-on-weapons variant of Warrior...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted June 01, 2016 11:55 AM |
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Meta-discussion
I hope it works now.
@Blob - I did try a combo of Patron and Worgen. I tried Pirate, was semi funny. I might need to find my passion for warrior someday.
Currently running some rogue and priest love
As for the meta really; I am still trying to find my class and deck that fits me for this expansion/meta. Still searching.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted June 01, 2016 03:14 PM |
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Yes I were able to read it now, very interesting and thanks both
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