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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted August 04, 2016 11:32 PM |
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I'm quite surprised since medivh is also a hero portrait.
I saved 2800 gold past weeks and hit that amount today....awww yisss 
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 05, 2016 06:07 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 18:08, 05 Aug 2016.
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Well, I'm almost halfway through with gold and there's still a week to go, so I pressume it will be a leisiurly ride from here  (I remember how I was struggling with LoE becuase there was only a week between it's surprise annoucement and release and I was on 0 gold).
Interesting card that Moonglade Portal. I like how Portals synergize with Medivh. There are three more left if you take that Netherspite pic into account (Shaman, Paladin and Warlock but it might be 'Shadow' Priest cause Warlock already has three revealed cards). BTW it seems very likely (I hope) that Netherespite will be yet another Legendary (Blizz does not stick to principles with Hearthstone, 6 Legendaries in this adventure is still a possibility )
Oh, and Warrior got another anti-aggro 'tool' but it seems too slow for me...
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 06, 2016 09:26 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 10:09, 07 Aug 2016.
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Ok, I'll try to round this up us short as possible. Some very good class cards, some interesting neutrals but overall I find this adventure lacking. Might even say it's the most disappointing released so far. Maybe not in terms of cards that will actually be played, but in the number of 'wow' cards that I've (have not?) seen.
There's one thing that bothers me. Once again Blizzard either gives strong cards to make strong archetypes/decks even stronger, whereas it gives rather miss then hit cards to classes that either didn't need them or desperately needed sth different (I'm looking at Priest - people are so furious about the revealed cards for this class). Meta will define though...
Fav picks from the rest of the set:
Menagerie Warden - Strong. Beast Druid finally a thing? Me like, I always liked BD and was playing around with it lately...
Cloaked Huntress - wtf? OP as hell. Good stats and Hunters secrets are already hard to deal with (plus that new one - Cat Trick)... do they want to make another 'Secret Paly'?
Nightbane Templar - a great card for my Dragon Paly. This is the early drop it was lacking. A shame that it's not a neutral.
Arcane Giant - nice, finally a spellpower Giant and you don't have to get it from a pack. And his useful in Yogg decks. Yay!
Moat Lurker - interesting card for rattle decks. It's 6 mana slot makes it a bit tricky to include in decks though...
Arcanosmith - I think this will see more play then people think it will. It's basically an anti aggro tool. As a 4 mana it might be too slow though...
Violet Illusonist - the sleeper card of the set for Fatigue/Control decks. The possibilities are huge. For Warriors and Rouges weapons, for Warlocks Hero power etc. And Malchezzars fatigue value. Wait, it's also a buff to Mill!? Oh ffs...
PS: Only one Epic?
To sum up: Priest dead ( ), secret/spell(?) heavy meta and no Netherspite as a card 
EDIT: LoL Priest deck. Read this guys, you won't regret it
EDIT 2: LoL. Whining about Hearthstone just got to a whole new level. But I agree, Purify is a joke. I wonder if Blizzard will actually give a f*ck about the uproar or Brode will tell more about fighting 1 horse sized duck in the next Q&A session...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 07, 2016 01:52 PM |
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I think there a lot of cool cards revealed and I am very excited to play the adventure. It looks really interesting.
About that priest.. I think a petition is maybe a step too far.. ? Let's wait and see what the use for it is - There might be a reasoning behind purify?
I do like and I do think there is potentiel with the Priest at the feast - it fits very well in C'thun heal-deck. But I do think the whole community was expecting a totally IMBA priest card (a 4 mana 7/7 type), and had Blizzard released a card like that, they would have been idiots.
But well, Priest isn't dead imo, it is just bleeding slowly
But! All in all I think the adventure looks good and there is an exciting time coming where dragon, beasts and murlocs will be played around with to gain those buffs.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 07, 2016 06:52 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:15, 07 Aug 2016.
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I had this long look on all the Karazahn cards today. While I still don't see that many cards that make my blood pumping I must say I'm starting to like it more and more. Some deck ideas are already swirling inside my head, even if the fanbase already got them covered. I really want to try out those new decks!
Beast Druid - like I said, I really like this concept but I found this type of decks lacking (as many other players). But now with an addition of a great 1-drop, and Warden which can be used with Stranglethorn Tiger (his Stealth makes him survive a turn) this deck could really shine. It might even bring my Malorne back into the frey
Secret Hunter - I was looking for an interesting new deck for Hunter, because I'm quite bored with same ol' archetypes. Tried Yogg Hunter and Reno Hunter but they didn't catch my attention for long. This on the other hand might be quite a different type of deck (or an evolution of older cancer decks ). For instance with a good hand you can play Huntress and Secretkeeper on turn 4 for incredible value.
Secret Mage - wanted to try it for some time but always found a reason not to. Now, with the new nice 5-mana Taunt and that class 2-drop it might be great.
I also want to enchance my decks. Not to mention Dragons, there are some interesting concepts for using those new cards in existing decks. Bolster Warrior might be huge. Menagerie stuff might be fun to play around. And that little 3 mana spider which everyone is making fun of might be cool in an evolve or zoo deck, who knows? This and of course Medivh.
11th can come soon enough
PS: In the middle of this whole Priest uproar I was thinking that Onyx Bishop might not be bad in a little bit tweaked rattle Priest deck...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 08, 2016 08:37 AM |
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Edited by emilsn91 at 19:17, 08 Aug 2016.
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I have always wanted beast druid to work. It would fit my playstyle a lot
Secret hunter - Will it be a thing? I am not sure. The new trap is not that awesome imo. It does not give a lot of value right away like Bear trap, expl. and freeze. While other traps / secrets like dart trap, misdirection are not that awesome. But traps might come back in rotation - atm not a lot of people use them.
EDIT: Just got Fandral Staghelm in a deck. Opens up for new Druid stuff.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 08, 2016 08:44 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 20:45, 08 Aug 2016.
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@emil: You got Fandral from a pack? Congrats! Are you buying WotOG packs even though Karazahn is getting released pretty soon? You gotta have a lot of gold on you
PS: Kripps video on Purify. Interesting to watch, now more then ever cause Blizzard released one of their PR-ish 'we see potential' statements. Not this time Blizz, not this time...
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 07:59 AM |
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Have you seen Ben Brodes response to Purify? Ben Brode Purify
A pretty good response he does. I just have some issues with it.
At one point he actually says that he is sorry that they put it in Karazhan and might should have waited with it for another expansion. Grow a pair and stand up for your game. I think it is a little weak to say that.
The second thing is that they does remove it from arena. I do not think it solves the problem to just exclude cards from arena? There are so many horrible cards to pick in arena, why not just have this one in there as well. People wont pick it, but who cares. It made a lot more sense with C'thun, but to remove purify from arena is bad management.
And I am still buying packs as I (always) buy adventures (done it with the last two). It is my way of paying tribute to Blizzard and the guys behind Hearthstone.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 10:52 AM |
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rant incomng.
"Purify was 1-mana at one point but was changed due to play testers using it just to cycle through cards." Priest has no card draw in the first place, so GOD FORBID they get to draw a single card for 2 mana. It is not like OTK Warrior cycles his entire deck in 10 turns with cards like Battle Rage drawing 3 cards. But no poblem there.
Secondly "it is excitng to Purify an Ancient Watcher" is a very weird comment. Getting a 4 mana 4/5 is a YETI THAT IS NOT EXCITING. I do agree that with Barnes it would be cool though!
But all in all I am ecxited for the adventure ;P Priest will continue to suck for now but there will be several new(ish) archetypes to play with ^^
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"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 01:10 PM |
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I am excited to see how Purify plays out in the adventure. They always show case new cards in adventures to highlight their potential, so we might not have seen the potential. But that said it is still a bad card.
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DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
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posted August 09, 2016 04:33 PM |
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I actually think removing the cthun cards from arena wasn't that big of an issue, since all the c'thun cards are aggressively well-statted.
Purifying an ancient watcher isn't exactly a yeti, though. Imagine if shaman had a 2 mana 4/5 with overload (2). That would be pretty good, wouldn't it? You could coin it out even and it could start vying for board control as early as turn 2.
Priest also has a strong card draw engine with northshire cleric and PW:S is a good cycle card too. Cycle cards are kind of not that healthy for the game, since it definitely encourages OTK decks. It's a bit unfortunate that priest is so weak right now, but it can't be helped. The solution shouldn't be to give priest a bunch of OP cards, since that's very unhealthy for the game as well. This is why we have sets now.
Anyway, I hope they release a fat rogue hero skin, so I can play the hamburglar.
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 05:01 PM |
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DagothGares said:
Purifying an ancient watcher isn't exactly a yeti, though. Imagine if shaman had a 2 mana 4/5 with overload (2). That would be pretty good, wouldn't it? You could coin it out even and it could start vying for board control as early as turn 2.
Yes that would be awesome, because you can mulligan easily for a single card. But getting a 2 card combo opening isn't reliable. But true tht priest wih healing hero power could be formidable with a high health opener like Ancient Watcher.
As for card draw Northshire Cleric can potentially draw a ton(!) of cards. Yet most Priest players have cut Cleric from their decks because in the Tempo-meta of today it doesn't cut it. Hence Priest atm is lacking in that department.
I don't personally mind Priest being weakest for now, Shaman used to be in the same boat. And had they buffed Priest to being OP I wouldnt play it. So glad they didn't go there. ;P
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"These friends probably started using condoms after having produced the most optimum amount of offsprings. Kudos to them for showing at least some restraint" - Tsar-ivor
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 05:22 PM |
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Quote:
The solution shouldn't be to give priest a bunch of OP cards, since that's very unhealthy for the game as well. This is why we have sets now
I agree so much with this, and I honestly thought that Ben Brode would have said that in his three minute speech about Purify.
They should just have added 1-2 good or average priest cards, then 3-4 in next expansion - ease into it.
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DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
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posted August 09, 2016 05:23 PM |
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I agree the combo is extremely inconsistent. I assume you'd also run two silences and sunfury protectors. Anyway, it's a healthy card for the game. Probably won't be seen in the top tier decks in tournaments.
All in all, I definitely think flame-wreathed faceless was a mistake. It is disgustingly overstatted and created an untenable standard for other decks to compete with.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 09, 2016 07:05 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 19:13, 09 Aug 2016.
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Many things were said about Purify. It's a bad card and it won't see any play simply because there aren't even minions that work with it to begin with. With cards like Fel Reaver for instance it's simply better to play your standard Silence cause it's a much faster tempo play. If this was a natural evolution for Silence (meaning they would give Silence Purify's effect) I wonder if it would see play even then ('friendly minion' is the problem here). Plus like you guys said, and I can fully agree with this: combo is inconsistent, and a card won't be useful because it combos well with sth, but because it combos/synergizes well with the whole deck (we're talking about combo cards of course, not stand-alone good cards).
That said I find the other two priest cards interesting and more then meets the eye, of course when putting aside the most pressing issue with the class: its early game. I have my eyes on a Resurrect Priest deck (I'll probably try it at some point). I wonder why Ressurect died off in the first place, I remember having a lot of trouble with Priest decks in which I've seen it. That said Onyx Bishop might actually start something new. A combo with Injured Blademaster or even that Kvaldir 1-drop comes to mind. Or like I said before, a Rattle deck. I expect that 2x Ressurect + 1 Onyx Bishop might do the trick.
And Priest of the Feast. Wherever I play Hooded Acolyte I think to myself how good of a stat-line for Priest she has. It might even be the perfect stat-line for a Priest 4-drop (look on Twilight Guardian, and it's a conditional card), cause Priest is not about a minions attack value but a its sponginess. Moreover PotF gives some additional sustainability (+3 health) with a cheap spell like PW: Shield and still might be used later on. For instance Earthen Ring Farseer who is 1 mana less is so much weaker: he has 3 stats less and a one time heal (which is mostly used to heal your Hero anyway). This might even become a staple 4-drop for Control Priest.
It's a shame that this whole Purify uproar keeps players from evaluating those cards differently.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 09, 2016 08:50 PM |
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I agree with you, Blob. The Purify-debate has changed the foucs from the other two cards, which are pretty decent and useable to some extent.
And Dagoth, the Flamewreath is OP, but I believe that a dr. boom type of card is better to have then cards like purify, which is just plain bad or at the moment useless. Then again the debate about the community's reaction towards OP cards vs. the reaction towards poor cards is quite good to have. Should we have made a similar uproar when that card was released?.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 09, 2016 09:15 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:37, 12 Aug 2016.
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There was no 4.7.7 uproar cause Shaman simply needed the card (and few others) to be playable again. So Shaman becoming good was devs reaction to communities whining (and it seems that the community already 'forgot' about this ). Then again why Shaman became so good is not because of Dr. 4 alone but because of a slew of changes that were steadily built across the expansions (starting with TGT I belive). I've watched one of Noxious stream in which he explained nicely that Shaman became so good because various elements that were built through the expansions finally got around, mainly Totem synergy and overload workaround. Btw I find Zoolock more cancerous then Shaman.
PS: Karazahn patch arrived, some new stuff to see (Heroic cardback looks great!). Can't wait
EDIT: Ok guys, card release schedule has been revealed so we can start theorycrafting.
First thing I'll try is Secret Hunter. I think the only needed card is Cloaked Huntress, rest might be added later (Avian maybe, though I think it's too slow for this deck). Cat Trick will be added later but it will definately find it's place in the deck. It would be nice to play around with this kind of deck before players will create the meta-cancer version of it cause I think with 2xCotW it will be cancer, and we'll see a lot of Secret Eaters to counter them.
Next one might be Ressurect Priest. We're not getting Bishop until later on so maybe I'll try to use Anomaly and PotFeast (or even Arcanosmith) in standard Priest decks for now, cause I think they can be useful.
I also want to try that new Shaman spell, might be good in a Totem deck.
I want to try Discard Warlock, but without Imp it won't be complete so I must wait. I suppose Malchezzar is great for this deck, cause he gives more fuel for discarding. This is probably obvious, but I think he was created specifically by Blizaard for a kind of Demon/Discard hybrid deck.
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EDIT 2: KARAZAHN IS OUT IN EU! Gotta say it was nice playing as Medivh in the Prolouge, they made it feel like you're really a powerful Mage. Will probably update later on when I have more time to play the game.
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 12, 2016 07:24 PM |
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How awesome was the first wing of Karazhan? Prologue was great, really fun, easy (both normal and HC) and the whole "Medivh is gone" is a great story arc and reminds of the classic tale of Medivh
The silverware golem was great. Easy, but fun and weird. The mirror was wacky, and quite fun actually. The chess game was just so different, and you had to think completely different from normal games.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 13, 2016 03:10 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 16:33, 14 Aug 2016.
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Yeah, fun matches, especially the Chess one. Still will have to try Heroic Mode. HM is fun and full of buffs for AI as always But it's fun and change of pace nevertheless. I have a big collection of cards now so I can play around however I want and can always netdeck if need arises...
If played well, Moroes can actually be good. I'm trying him in a Divine Shield Paladin (well, you don't say ). It's funny how his popular now (cause Thijs plays him for instance) after he was soo ridiculed. I wonder if Purify will be played, Blizzard even made a Silence Priest in class challange with it included
But my focus now is on Secret Hunter. I even crafted Lock and Load for this deck For now it's hard to tell if it will be a thing, but I think Miracle (with Yogg) is the way to go...
EDIT: Also Protect the King + Bolster is great against aggro/zoo
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emilsn91
Supreme Hero
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posted August 14, 2016 09:40 PM |
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I am still trying to win Chess match on Heroic.. such a tough match.
I still have not tried out any of the new cards. Been too busy to sit down and really get into Hearthstone.
I had two priest quests today.. :/ A struggle, but brawl lead me to victory.
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