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seraphim
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posted December 28, 2013 11:10 PM

Salamandre said:
seraphim said:
you say Muslim fanatics are the only problem. The other half is your European egos and ignorance.


In my eyes, the main problem is also a total "indifference" from the moderate Islam towards fanatics-let's remain polite and call it indifference-. When you have unreal situations like THIS, in which several muslims, in all impunity, show their destructive arrogance and goals, the "moderate" branch should give them some hard kicks and clearly cut the umbilical cord.

But no, they don't therefore they get generalized, but who's fault?

Well, you displayed it already. The us vs them mentality. You are dealing here with people from already extremist infested countries whose only education, or lack there of, has been their holy book.

Add with propaganda, the likes of smithey, plus racism:You get a closed indoctrinated individual. Well, no offense to smithey but he/she is the perfect example of European arrogance towards foreigners.

And as for the moderates, the Muslim moderates are not the way the west thinks they are. They don't necessarily disagree with their fanatical compadres,they would also rather deal with earning money then deal with ideological issues. Again, most Muslim immigrants that are extremists are not the scholarly, academic type. And if they are then they are the usual nut.

Whatever, point is, those guys who are by citizenship European should not be considered as European, not as immigrants. Maybe European countries should make an effort to control what type of people get to be religious shepherds, in this case imams and priests, becausebhate is being bred there.

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Salamandre
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posted December 29, 2013 08:49 AM

I don't believe a second that is about arrogance.

There are massive immigration waves from China and east countries, but only one location is constantly pissing people, is about the waves from Africa. And is not about black vs white conflict, but about a majority of poorly educated and parasitic people who will exploit the tiniest loophole in the system to get what they want, and without effort. Now, this is a behavior which you may see in many other people too, but there is an important difference between Africans and Europeans: the first ones will not hesitate to breed excessively BECAUSE the system rewards it financially.

And here the problems arises: not enough care and education for big family leads to increased criminal behavior from African immigrants, then eventually creates racism, which is for the least justified in this specific case.

To note that recently, the roms immigration created same agitation in the European area. And the roms are very few, compared to African immigration. Which leads to the conclusion that European people are not so fool or arrogant as you believe: they condemn a general behavior, not the color or race difference.  
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posted December 29, 2013 12:05 PM
Edited by smithey at 13:40, 29 Dec 2013.

seraphim said:

Well, you displayed it already. The us vs them mentality. You are dealing here with people from already extremist infested countries whose only education, or lack there of, has been their holy book.

Add with propaganda, the likes of smithey, plus racism:You get a closed indoctrinated individual. Well, no offense to smithey but he/she is the perfect example of European arrogance towards foreigners.

And as for the moderates, the Muslim moderates are not the way the west thinks they are. They don't necessarily disagree with their fanatical compadres,they would also rather deal with earning money then deal with ideological issues. Again, most Muslim immigrants that are extremists are not the scholarly, academic type. And if they are then they are the usual nut.

Whatever, point is, those guys who are by citizenship European should not be considered as European, not as immigrants. Maybe European countries should make an effort to control what type of people get to be religious shepherds, in this case imams and priests, becausebhate is being bred there.



1. Smithey is a he indeed, Smithey is not arrogant (most of the time), Smithey does talk about himself in third person for some reason right now, Smithey was a FOREIGNER (just like Salamndre) at least three times in his life (lived on three continents) yet has always embraced the "new culture" and became a part of the society...

2. Smithey has issues with all religions in a non-discriminatory manner, whether its the muslim ninja girl, the crazy christian who's scaring teenage girls into not having abortions or the freakishly dressed orthodox jew who spits on little girls for walking on the wrong side of the street. Smithey dislikes religions for they allow zero tolerance to whoever is not playing for their team and as such they have an impact on Smithey's life, which is a big violation of Smithey's live and let live rule.

3. Smithey firmly believes that if you (whoever you are) decide to move to another country (for whatever reason) you need to accept the said country's culture and make it your own or at least to not crap on it, for after all you have chosen that country partially for its culture or for what it allows.

4. Smithey has zero problems with people of various religions and colors, you Seraphim are a muslim, I have no issues with you coz I dont think you believe everybody who isnt a muslim should burn (as most of extreme muslims feel) and coz Im fairly certain you are more concerned with girls, education etc...
The same applies to Nocturnal who is a muslim, and a decent guy, Smithey judges each person un-biased of their religion color or devilishly good looks

5. You say moderate muslims care about other things hence dont interfere with what extremists say, but the thing is if you're not speaking up against it and making it clear that not everyone feels that way, is it really that hard to understand why you are being generalized with others ?
Furthermore, Im going to say that the same muslims who dont feel the same way dont speak up against it coz they're scared to do so, which is a horrible thing especially when it happens in western countries which encourage freedom of speech. Why do I say so ?
Personal experience - Iranian gf, in NY gets her tires slashed, her door sprayed with unworthy of mentioning slurs and eventually has to leave her neighborhood just coz she's dating Smithey, a white dude. Excluding the personal pain, it makes me sad as a human being that such behavior exists (anywhere on the planet) and ten times more that it exists in NY aka the Western world which is also supposed to be a refuge from such behavior for moderate muslims...


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seraphim
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posted December 29, 2013 11:18 PM
Edited by seraphim at 23:20, 29 Dec 2013.

@smithey

I an an atheist. But if you insist that I am Muslim because I came from a Muslim country or actually bother to reply because you did a mistake, please do so. After all, I must be muslim , despite being anti-theist and actually hate religion and religious people. No, maybe saying HATE would leave a better impact.

Yep, you got it right mate.

Sarcasm aside, because of genetic variations and differences in education, it is not right to categorize an entire ethnicity to a religion. FYI, nocturnal was an atheist, a Turkish atheist. Yes, must be a suprise.
By your logic, if most blondes are christian, all blondes must be Christian.
Oh, I am not defending Islam, but then, i would not care if Europe ended up in a civil war either because its not my concern. I only care about my own business. If thing went my way, I would ban organized religion and would deport all extremists to Guantanamo bay.


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Fauch
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posted December 30, 2013 02:46 PM

you mean you would give them a job at guantanamo?

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kipshasz
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posted December 30, 2013 05:33 PM

No, he means all those sadistic basterds working at guantanamo will get a lot of playthings to fulfill their fantasies with. A whole package of fun for them!
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fred79
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posted December 30, 2013 06:39 PM

kipshasz said:
No, he means all those sadistic basterds working at guantanamo will get a lot of playthings to fulfill their fantasies with. A whole package of fun for them!


there's sadistic garbage all over the world. i was just reading about the torture of terror suspects in russia, over the bombings. i was also reading about how there are a lot of countries in europe who allowed torture to go on in hidden detainment centers in their countries. it's everywhere, not just the u.s.

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kipshasz
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posted December 30, 2013 06:49 PM

That's true, yes.But Guantanamo is the most commonly known one. Other and Auschwitz that is.
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Fauch
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posted December 31, 2013 05:55 PM

well, he talked about extremists. so I figured the ones that USA provides with weapons?

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fred79
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posted December 31, 2013 07:44 PM

Fauch said:
well, he talked about extremists. so I figured the ones that USA provides with weapons?


possibly, but i thought the ones being provided with weapons lately was closer to france, or something. you're a funny guy, though. i like how when i point the finger at europe(who is just as much to blame as everyone else), that someone else speaks up about the u.s.

don't throw stones when you live in glass houses, guys.

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Salamandre
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posted December 31, 2013 07:53 PM

Everyone should be happy when France sells weapons to extremists. Those weapons jam most of time.
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Fauch
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posted December 31, 2013 11:58 PM

fred79 said:
Fauch said:
well, he talked about extremists. so I figured the ones that USA provides with weapons?


possibly, but i thought the ones being provided with weapons lately was closer to france, or something.


oh, you are speaking about obama's lapdog?

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fred79
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posted January 01, 2014 08:40 PM

Fauch said:


oh, you are speaking about obama's lapdog?


nope, sorry. i was referring to the syrian rebels.

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Fauch
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posted January 01, 2014 08:53 PM

oh yes. I meant the weapons were provided by Obama's lapdog, mr moi président.

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xerox
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posted January 03, 2014 11:16 PM
Edited by xerox at 23:20, 03 Jan 2014.

So now I finished my religion class exam which was about organised islam in Western Europe. And I came to the conclusion that there is no organised effort from Muslim umbrella organisations to islamise Europe. Rather than islamising european society, their aim generally seems to become part of it.

(I also found it interesting that the Turkish state has a huge religious network, funding over a thousand of mosques in Europe)
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Salamandre
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posted January 04, 2014 08:23 AM

You make same mistake as every pseudo-scientific guy made 30 years ago, when they pompously predicted that immigration will NEVER become a problem: you analyze Islam from our cultural perspective. There is NO concrete effort of islamisation, in the sense we would do it if we were on the other side, and I mean serious and conjunct intellectual effort to convert everyone at our "values".

No, they don't need it, and they also know that it would not work that way. The way they do it is way more safe and ineluctable: by breed. Anyone who visited France or UK in the last 10 years can see it, it jumps in the eyes.

Now the question is: once they will outnumber-because they will-, will they try to islamise or they will just integrate? I think it does not matter at this point, their culture is too primitive thus the war of numbers can only have negative impact. In my opinion, the game is already finished, we will never be able to fix the already done damages.


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angelito
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posted January 04, 2014 11:42 AM

When will they outnumber?

Currently, there are around 5.5 Million muslims in France (wikipedia), and around 4.2 million in Germany.
That's between 5% and 8% of the whole inhabitants.

I guess it will take a while.....and the more babys we make ourselves, the longer it will take...
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smithey
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posted January 04, 2014 11:49 AM
Edited by smithey at 11:52, 04 Jan 2014.

This was so sad that it made me LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQk_VklYUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SukEnAQ_ebE


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xerox
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posted January 27, 2014 09:41 PM

So basically Salamandre, you're saying muslims share a collective, secret agenda whereby they breed to enslave a future Europe to islamism?-_-
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Fauch
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posted January 29, 2014 03:00 PM

weirdly, you don't get called complotist for believing there is a muslim plot.

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