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Bluts
Hired Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 04:59 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
@Nik
Yeah we can restrict ourselves from being too cruel against poor ai, but if you play as Necropolis and collect the 3 necromancy artifacts, it only seems natural to assemble Cloak Of The Undead King. Maybe you can resist the urge to assemble the cloak, but what about people you are playing with or ai? But does that mean the cloak can't be assembled in a future HotA update? And Diplomacy and DD is being nerfed? What about TP? I feel Earth Magic is way too powerfull... Imo TP and DD should belong to all schools, so Earth and Air does'nt feel as OP anymore.
Looking forward to future updates for HotA. 
Well if I want to play single player, I play ERA WOG - banning TP/DD and artifacts that give them, starting without fort, they have enhanced AI and a few other things like growing numbers of neutral creatures by 10% every week ( removing most of the wog starting options like commanders/troops exp/most of the new buildings ). In one version I think I've seen removing the portals on the maps too. I've already played a game where neutral creatures grew to the thousands (7th and 8th lvl) blocking every way, without having a way to bypass them. At that point AIs just stopped moving, which was no fun at all. It was more fun trying to get to the AI than the actual combat with it xD and even having diplomacy meant nothing, because creatures always attacked, because of their str and numbers ( didn't manage to get even one troop with diplomacy that game ).
Anyways Cloak Of The Undead King only needs to be nurfed a little more, like lowering the number of liches gained by half maybe and making the items not appearing that much. ( hardest thing to get still remains the amulet )
ps. Conflux being third in HP doesn't mean a thing, because you can't use resurrection/sacrifice on most of the units and the units that matter have low HP, so it's bad for end game and prolonged fights, and the speed is not that great, because only 1 unit reaches to the other side without a spd boost, most of the other races have at least 2 speedy units that can hit in first round.
Also don't get why Luna is the best mage. Brissa is way better, because making a 3-4 spd unit gain 8 spd with haste is imba. And having 6-7 units first hit in first round with one haste is OP
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hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 06:10 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 18:12, 07 Oct 2015.
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Couldn't you just use the 'HW rules' module when playing against the AI as a temporary solution (until the crew implements their own solutions natively) seeing as this module already currently puts restrictions on imbalanced stuff like Undead Clock, DD, diplomacy, etc? Just a thought.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 06:32 PM |
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Anyways Cloak Of The Undead King only needs to be nurfed a little more
No, it needs to be fully banned by default with an option to lift the ban. It is a signature artifact that was designed to be OP on par with Armageddon's Blade that doesn't really has any place in default games.
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hardest thing to get still remains the amulet
No, it is not. There are tons of options to find treasure artifact and in HotA parts of combos cannot be set as unique quest items (in RMG). Major artifacts on the other hand are the hardest to get in the game
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Also don't get why Luna is the best mage
Yep, that will be like the main part of the tutorial. Pro players however know it all too well. 90% of the game goes not against your opponent, but against the map and Luna is just best dealing with it even without any army.
A quick example: luna with 4 sp and expert fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V857CSyZkrM
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 07, 2015 07:40 PM |
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hippox89 said:
Couldn't you just use the 'HW rules' module when playing against the AI as a temporary solution (until the crew implements their own solutions natively) seeing as this module already currently puts restrictions on imbalanced stuff like Undead Clock, DD, diplomacy, etc? Just a thought.
"HW rules module", what is this and does it work with HotA?
Also nice video Nik, never played much with Luna myself, but this is awesome. 
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hippox89
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 07:45 PM |
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Edited by hippox89 at 19:48, 07 Oct 2015.
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phoenix4ever said:
"HW rules module", what is this and does it work with HotA?
It's an addon for HD mod. It's compatible with HotA, yes. Just add it in the HD mod launcher.
HW rules on heroeswould.ru
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P4R4D0X0N
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 07:57 PM |
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Hehe, the firewall trick. Firewall is broken anyways... at least with that dumb battle AI.
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Bluts
Hired Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 08:50 PM |
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nik312 said:
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Also don't get why Luna is the best mage
Yep, that will be like the main part of the tutorial. Pro players however know it all too well. 90% of the game goes not against your opponent, but against the map and Luna is just best dealing with it even without any army.
A quick example: luna with 4 sp and expert fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V857CSyZkrM
There are tons of ways to clear the mobs early game and if you ask me Ciele would do better job on 1st lvl xD
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 09:33 PM |
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hippox89 said:
It's an addon for HD mod. It's compatible with HotA, yes. Just add it in the HD mod launcher.
HW rules on heroeswould.ru
Hmm just checked out the features of this mod and I like that Cloak Of The Undead King only rises skeletons and Expert DD can only be cast 2 times a day. However the extra nerfs to Necromancy, impossible to visit Cartographers and Hill Forts and that neutrals can't join I don't like. (I made my own restrictions to diplomacy) So this mod is not a mod for me.
Thanks for the heads up though hippox89, did'nt know about this mod, I don't come to that forum as I don't speak russian.
EDIT: Also the updates after 1.20 are only in russian, so I have no idea what is changed hereafter. 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 07, 2015 09:40 PM |
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Bluts said:
There are tons of ways to clear the mobs early game and if you ask me Ciele would do better job on 1st lvl xD
Please record your own exploit with Ciele 1st level and show. We are eager to see the master.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 10:39 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 22:47, 07 Oct 2015.
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However the extra nerfs to Necromancy, impossible to visit Cartographers and Hill Forts and that neutrals can't join I don't like. (I made my own restrictions to diplomacy) So this mod is not a mod for me.
These features don't work in HotA. As well as any features that were fixed here. We keep in close contact with the author of this mod to keep it up-to-date with current HotA rules. The main purpose of that mod is to automate some online rules of biggest multiplayer community. And it does that correctly for SoD and HotA alike.
Btw, here are recommended rules for online games on HotA for now:
http://h3hota.com/documentation/en/online
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2015 10:40 PM |
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There are tons of ways to clear the mobs early game
I don't think we are talking about the same level of guards here. I'm talking about clearing 5-7 lvl creature guards at week 1. Not little mob packs for treasure chests or crypts
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 07, 2015 10:46 PM |
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nik312 said:
These features don't work in HotA. As well as any features that were fixed here. We keep in close contact with the author of this mod to keep it up-to-date with current HotA rules
Okay? Would you be so kind to tell me exactly what works with HotA then, as I don't understand much and I believe you speak russian.
@hippox89 Are you from Denmark mate?, cause so am I.
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ShivatheGreat
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 08, 2015 08:42 AM |
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Hota crash
when i start playing hota i had crashes from time to time but now i can't even start a game because of the same crash, when i try to start a game it wrotes: "Critical error. CRASH info file was generated." and game just stop reponding and shuts down... anyone can help me pls?
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Bluts
Hired Hero
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posted October 08, 2015 05:52 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Bluts said:
There are tons of ways to clear the mobs early game and if you ask me Ciele would do better job on 1st lvl xD
Please record your own exploit with Ciele 1st level and show. We are eager to see the master.
Sorry if I made the wrong impression, but really a lvl 1 Luna vs a lvl 1 Ciele, Ciele would be way better considering that you may need to go against archers during first week.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2015 08:14 PM |
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Okay? Would you be so kind to tell me exactly what works with HotA then
- Ban on hit-and-run;
- Ban on monster acceptance;
- Restriction on Dimension Door;
- Restriction of Cloak of the Undead King
For less that L-size templates DD/TP/Fly are banned.
On 200% difficulty players start with 2500 gold and 5 ore
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2015 08:16 PM |
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ShivatheGreat said:
when i start playing hota i had crashes from time to time but now i can't even start a game because of the same crash, when i try to start a game it wrotes: "Critical error. CRASH info file was generated." and game just stop reponding and shuts down... anyone can help me pls?
Please post a crashlog here
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 08, 2015 08:24 PM |
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nik312 said:
- Ban on hit-and-run;
- Ban on monster acceptance;
- Restriction on Dimension Door;
- Restriction of Cloak of the Undead King
For less that L-size templates DD/TP/Fly are banned.
On 200% difficulty players start with 2500 gold and 5 ore
Okay thank you very much.
The ban on monster acceptance I don't like, it makes diplomacy near useless for players and completely useless for ai, as it never surrenders, but always retreats. The other things sounds good though.
Just to be clear, does these things affect ai as well or only human players?
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2015 08:39 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 20:42, 08 Oct 2015.
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phoenix4ever said:
Just to be clear, does these things affect ai as well or only human players?
Not sure about monster acceptance and DD. Hit-n-run is human only. All the rest is for both
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 08, 2015 08:48 PM |
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Okay, thanks again.
It sounds great except diplomacy is ruined.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 08, 2015 09:19 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 21:20, 08 Oct 2015.
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phoenix4ever said:
Okay, thanks again.
It sounds great except diplomacy is ruined.
It is a package for hardcoding HW multiplayer rules. In mp diplomacy is totally broken and there is no surprise that it is banned. It still can be used for making crucial buy-outs cheaper
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