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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 09:14 PM |
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Just looked Google for translation of 'Âîäÿíîé' (waterman, merman - spirit of water). And it's Nix, lol.
Nixes don't at all look like River Elves (one of 'nix' translations) or merrimen.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 10:11 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 22:14, 10 Jan 2014.
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IvanSav
Adventuring Hero
vcmi developer
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posted January 10, 2014 10:23 PM |
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Jesus, will you ever stop bickering with HotA Crew? Or with your new towns obsession?
From wiki:
The Nyx/Nixie are shapeshifting water spirits ... the English Knucker is generally depicted as a wyrm or dragon,
Even Google translation places "Nix" only as second translation after merman. And neither of those have same meaning as Russian Vodyanoy (evil spirit)
There is absolutely no reason for in-game creatures to be identical to real-world myths.
Gorgons are not cows - they are women with hair made of snakes.
Gog/Magog are characters from Old Testament.
Basilisks are often depicted as half-rooster, half-snake.
Nagas have two hands, not six.
Some characters are supposed to be unique (Cerberus, Medusa, Pegasus)
This is a game, with its own lore and myths. Which may not match real-world myths.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 10, 2014 10:53 PM |
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As a town, I find Cove very consistent. They fit the water theme and pirate theme nicely, with a good mixture of humans, creatures (beasts, spirits) and monsters.
Macron being macron
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:02 PM |
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IvanSav said:
Gorgons are not cows - they are women with hair made of snakes.
Most HMM3 creatures are from Dungeons & Dragons rules monsters.
Gorgons are cows there.
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kipshasz
Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
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posted January 10, 2014 11:04 PM |
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wow, picking on the names of the creatures. the new low.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:25 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 23:29, 10 Jan 2014.
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kipshasz said:
wow, picking on the names of the creatures. the new low.
Sacred HOTA cannot be evaluated?
I'm just saying, that Nix is river elf
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Nix
Don't see there any reptiles or dragons
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:27 PM |
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you know, not to go off on a tangent here, but i never did like the "gorgons" from H3. sure, they're strong as hell in-game, but:
they're friggin' armor plated cows, ffs. how stupid is that? not only that, but these armor-plated(and predictably heavy as all hell)cows live in a swamp? wouldn't they sink into the mud?
and, don't get me wrong, i know they already had medusa's(true gorgons), so why in the **** didn't they put them in the swamp with the other things that slither? hell, even the harpies could have went to the swamp, that would've made more sense as well, instead of having a nest in a cave. i have to say i, for one, was not a fan of the lineup changes between h2 and h3. they mixed and match things that didn't make sense. it's like they wanted a melting pot, or something. racial equality, and all that rot. jk. 
on the plus side, when i learn scripting, i will be fixing all of this. it's just a shame that i have to. 
to be back on topic, i think the HotA crew should have added the harpy to their line-up. makes more sense, i see it as an ugly sea-bird anyway. but then, maybe the pirates wouldn't have the morale they need to plunder? am i overthinking this?
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kipshasz
Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
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posted January 10, 2014 11:29 PM |
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It's not "sacred" to me. It is just plain stupid as people can't find anything else to pick on so they take some trivial crap like bloody names of the creatures.
Also seeing you pose as some badass of modding, I haven't seen your work at all, just some trolling in the forge thread.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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castlevania
Hired Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:38 PM |
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Horn of the Abyss is very good but there are some things that I would liked better For example I think that the Kraken is better 7lvl creature than the Sea Serpent and why they didn't include the Desert terrain from one of the screenshots
It is really good because it is professional expansion (for me it is expansion rather than mod) but those things really bug me 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 10, 2014 11:42 PM |
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fred79 said:
you know, not to go off on a tangent here, but i never did like the "gorgons" from H3. sure, they're strong as hell in-game, but:
they're friggin' armor plated cows, ffs. how stupid is that? not only that, but these armor-plated(and predictably heavy as all hell)cows live in a swamp? wouldn't they sink into the mud?
Personally, I loved their concept since I first played the game more than 10 years ago. (wait, could be 15 already? man, time flies!)
It may not be the most 'logical' though.
Also, in M&M 8 we see Gorgons outside the swamp too
fred79 said:
i have to say i, for one, was not a fan of the lineup changes between h2 and h3. they mixed and match things that didn't make sense. it's like they wanted a melting pot, or something. racial equality, and all that rot. jk.
Wouldn't be boring to see the same towns with the same units for a third time in a row?
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:44 PM |
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ArchDruid
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:46 PM |
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I come across with a Crash every time, when two heroes try to meet and exchange spells and artifacts!
I have HD mod installed, and usinw win 8, but original Heroes 3 complete never crashes.
Here's the Log:
[HotA CRASH INFO file]
Time: Fri Jan 10 23:25:38 2014
HotA version: 1.3.1
HotA test build: 0
Test features disabled
HotA internal map version: 0
HotA internal savegame version: 0
Exception
{
Module: h3hota.exe
Adress: 0x0055CDA4
Code: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
Flags: 0x00000000
Information: read of address: 0x0A488000
}
Call stack
{
? called from before 0x1006922E
? called from before 0x6263479A
(spliced) 0x0055C9C0 called from 0x004EA871
0x004EA800 called from 0x1005E029
(spliced) 0x005AAD90 called from 0x005AEAE5
? called from before 0x004B08C0
0x004B0880 called from 0x004B07B9
0x004B0770 called from 0x004AAC0D
0x004AAA60 called from 0x004A251A
0x004A2470 called from 0x004A8DCA
0x004A8160 called from 0x004AA766
? called from before 0x626823AB
(spliced) 0x004AA710 called from 0x00408049
0x00407AE0 called from 0x0040AA31
0x0040A530 called from 0x0040992B
? called from before 0x1006FEA5
(spliced) 0x00409740 called from 0x004089AB
? called from before 0x10063DB4
? called from before 0x004B0C39
0x004B0BA0 called from 0x004F0516
? called from before 0x6263CBD8
? called from before 0x1006A8B8
(spliced) 0x004EEA70 called from 0x004F824A
? called from before 0x1004B84E
? called from before 0x6263CC91
(spliced) 0x004F80C0 called from 0x0061A95F
? called from before 0x0018FFD4
? called from before 0x7FFDE000
0x777DBF12 called from 0x777DBF07
? called from before 0x00000000
}
Context
{
EAX: 0x0A451358
ECX: 0x02817AF1
EDX: 0x0A070A0A
EBX: 0x102AB020
ESP: 0x00187D70
EBP: 0x00188670
ESI: 0x0A487FFD
EDI: 0x102BCE64
}
Modules
{
\\ main module:
0x00400000: h3hota.exe (size: 0x002CB000, entry point: 0x00639C00)
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\
0x002B0000: BINKW32.DLL (size: 0x0002B000, entry point: 0x002C1705)
0x00400000: h3hota.exe (size: 0x002CB000, entry point: 0x00639C00)
0x62620000: HotA.dll (size: 0x000A0000, entry point: 0x6268CE12)
0x002E0000: IFC20.dll (size: 0x00023000, entry point: 0x002EF04E)
0x26F00000: MP3DEC.ASI (size: 0x0002A000, entry point: 0x26F0A805)
0x21100000: MSS32.DLL (size: 0x0005F000, entry point: 0x2112F2E5)
0x62710000: patcher_x86.dll (size: 0x00027000, entry point: 0x6271D34B)
0x00290000: SMACKW32.DLL (size: 0x0001B000, entry point: 0x0029C0B0)
0x10000000: _HD3_.dll (size: 0x0029B000, entry point: 0x10005068)
}
Command Line
{
h3hota.exe <#hota>
}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion
{
ProductName: Windows 8
CurrentVersion: 6.2
BuildLab: 9200.win8_gdr.130531-1504
}
GetVersionEx
{
PlatformId = 2
Version: 6.2
Build: 9200
CSDVersion =
ProductType = 1
SuiteMask = 768
}
Some ingame values
{
FullScreen Mode = 1
Game Type = 0
Network Game = 0
Me ID = 0
Active Player ID = 0
Active is Human = 1
}
Files
{
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\ATH3.ico
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\BINKW32.DLL
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\DPWSOCKX.DLL
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\H3AB_Manual.pdf
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3ccmped.cnt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3ccmped.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\H3CCMPED.HLP
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3hota.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3hota_maped.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3maped.cnt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\h3maped.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\H3MAPED.HLP
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\H3SDUpdate.txt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\H3SoD_PC Manual.pdf
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD changelog.txt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD3_Backup.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD3_InternalTool.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD3_Launcher.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD3_Update.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HD_CRASH_LOG.TXT
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Heroes III Tutorial.pdf
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Heroes of Might and Magic® III.isu
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Heroes3.cnt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HEROES3.EXE
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HEROES3.HLP
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Heroes3_magyar.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HOMM3.pdf
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HotA.dat
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HotA.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HotA_launcher.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\hota_me.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\HotA_Settings.ini
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\IFC20.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\mcp.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\MP3DEC.ASI
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\MSS32.DLL
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\patcher_x86 dump.txt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\patcher_x86 log.txt
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\patcher_x86.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\patcher_x86.ini
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\README.TXT
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\SMACKW32.DLL
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\unins000.dat
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\unins000.exe
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\ver.sion
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\_HD3_.dll
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3ab_ahd.snd
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3ab_ahd.vid
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3ab_bmp.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3ab_spr.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3bitmap.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\H3sprite.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\Heroes3.snd
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\HiScore.dat
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\HotA.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\HotA.snd
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\HotA.vid
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\HotA_lng.lod
D:\Jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\\Data\VIDEO.VID
}
HKLM\SOFTWARE\New World Computing\Heroes of Might and Magic® III\1.0
{
AppPath: d:\jatekok\Heroes 3 Complete\
CDDrive: F:
}
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:51 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Wouldn't be boring to see the same towns with the same units for a third time in a row?
hmm... good point. never thought of it that way.
@ gatecrasher: LMAO at "macaroni". tears in my eyes, man.
(no offense, macron. it was funny, man. i had to laugh! )
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 10, 2014 11:54 PM |
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Macron1 said:
I'm just saying, that Nix is river elf
No it isn't.
NWE said:
While Nix and its variations translate simply as "water elf," Nicker and its roots are more commonly described as "An imaginary being supposed to live in the water; a water demon, kelpie or river horse."
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Horn of the
Abyss on AcidCave
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IvanSav
Adventuring Hero
vcmi developer
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posted January 10, 2014 11:57 PM |
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Quote:
Most HMM3 creatures are from Dungeons & Dragons rules monsters.
Gorgons are cows there.
Yes. Add Beholders, Efreets and likely several others to the list.
So what we have here is:
- Wizards of the Coast who created their own creatures for DnD
- New World Computing who created their own creatures for M&M
- New World Computing who copied some of creatures from D&D.
Why you're ignoring these facts? Why NWC and WotC can create something new and HotA Crew can't?
Games are not exact depiction of myths and never have been. Neither HotA Crew, not NWC, nor WotC have to follow real-world myth.
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Don't see there any reptiles or dragons
One of the sources referenced on that page is Swedish dictionary. It mentions "Crocodile" as one of possible meaning of word "nix"
http://runeberg.org/nfbt/0177.html
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they're friggin' armor plated cows, ffs. how stupid is that? not only that, but these armor-plated(and predictably heavy as all hell)cows live in a swamp? wouldn't they sink into the mud?
It could be worse. D&D also have owlbears.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 11, 2014 12:04 AM |
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IvanSav said:
It could be worse. D&D also have owlbears.
LOL, bunnywolves and ducksnakes.  i'll have to make a couple, and revive the happy-fun-creature thread(if it isn't deleted, i forget).
but yeah, owlbears... wtf. i never understood why anyone would make such a thing.
it's like, a chicken-headed hydra, or something.
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ArchDruid
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 11, 2014 12:07 AM |
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There is another little issue in the game. My custom Combat musics are played during combat only once. After it ends, there is complete silence!! The original Combat musics are looping repeatedly as they should! I don't understand why?
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted January 11, 2014 12:08 AM |
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klaymen
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 11, 2014 12:19 AM |
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Hello guys, I've downloaded and installed the mod. It's great.....when I manage to play it at all. I'm experiencing many crashes (all during the AI turn). Loading the autosave usually leads to the crash again.
I have the GOG version and I run it on Windows XP, if it means anything. I couldn't find where I can get the crash report, otherwise I would post it.
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