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blob2
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posted January 31, 2019 09:33 AM |
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Xfing said:
MM was never about steampunk. It was always high fantasy on one end, and Star Trek-like sci-fi on the other. Steampunk feels like a half-measure here, unfortunately. Not to mention the entire setting never even showed a single trace of steampunk influences. Still looking forward to this though!
It's pretty easy to put it into a game. Throw in some lost ancient/space technology that the factions artificers unearthed and your good to go. I'm more concerned about the Wild West vibe, somehow I can't just fit it into the game, whatever if it's cool or not.
Regarding the Dragon Golems (if those really make it into the game) I would love to see a reference to the existing H3 dragons. Like a Black Dragon, but made from metal/with steampunk parts. Maybe some interesting lore like crippled Dragons (wounds of war) that Factory artificers helped by providing them with steam-powered prosthetics?
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Czarlson
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posted January 31, 2019 10:57 AM |
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Edited by Czarlson at 14:12, 31 Jan 2019.
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Hourglass said:
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I think wind serpents would make sense in the line-up, since they're most likely there for research purposes.
Quite interesting point of view. Good line-up it's the basic of success.
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Currently only creature I can't seem to understand are the Gunslingers. What's their reasoning of being part of Factory?
It was announced that Factory will be combined steampunk and wasteland. You can see characteristic for wasteland terrain. So this is why Gunslingers and Bounty Hunters.
The line-up is correct 
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BY the way according the definition of steampunk: "steampunk works are often set in an alternative history of the 19th century's British Victorian era or American "Wild West""
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Czarlson
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posted January 31, 2019 12:35 PM |
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Edited by Czarlson at 14:13, 31 Jan 2019.
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Xfing said:
MM was never about steampunk. It was always high fantasy on one end, and Star Trek-like sci-fi on the other. Steampunk feels like a half-measure here, unfortunately. Not to mention the entire setting never even showed a single trace of steampunk influences. Still looking forward to this though!
Unfortunatelly I can't agree with you that MM was never about steampunk ... just let stay by H3 ... H3 isn't steampunk … hmmm …
First of all definition of steampunk.
Steampunk is a subgenre of science fiction or science fantasy that incorporates technology and aesthetic design inspired by 19th century industrial steam-powered machinery.
So now let's look a bit closer to H3.
Land mines, Golem Factory, mechanical units, Experimental Shops, Skyship – like an airship Zeppelin, lamps, artifacts e.g: Telescope.
So, in my opinion it's quite a lot of steampunk stuffs here. Of course it won't be never dominating motive but we can't say that H3 isn't steampunk. It's all about that the civilization has decline and now is on the lower level but earlier it was definitely high.
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Czarlson
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posted January 31, 2019 01:01 PM |
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Edited by Czarlson at 13:03, 31 Jan 2019.
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blob2 said:
Regarding the Dragon Golems (if those really make it into the game) I would love to see a reference to the existing H3 dragons. Like a Black Dragon, but made from metal/with steampunk parts. Maybe some interesting lore like crippled Dragons (wounds of war) that Factory artificers helped by providing them with steam-powered prosthetics?
I think that this story needs a good line-up. Something like: this metal dragons are creating in factory and then are animated by mages (something like Iron Golems).
Hourglass said:
I think wind serpents would make sense in the line-up, since they're most likely there for research purposes.
So maybe it can be some kind of hybrid Iron Golems and Serpent Dragons.
After that these Iron Dragons has power and an ability to flying. In my opinion it should look more like Bone Dragons with mechanical elements and steam coming out of them.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 31, 2019 01:31 PM |
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although it cannot be canonical I am sure they can easily "asspull" something to let the steampunk have an origin, because it is a Halfling town maybe they have reclaimed Eeofol after the war and salvaged some bits and bobs out of the screwed Kreegan tech lol
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted January 31, 2019 01:43 PM |
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Czarlson, I am not sure if it's just me, but I can't see any of the images you put into your messages.
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Opera
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 31, 2019 02:05 PM |
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Edited by Opera at 14:07, 31 Jan 2019.
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Czarlson said:
Xfing said:
MM was never about steampunk. It was always high fantasy on one end, and Star Trek-like sci-fi on the other. Steampunk feels like a half-measure here, unfortunately. Not to mention the entire setting never even showed a single trace of steampunk influences. Still looking forward to this though!
Unfortunatelly I can't agree with you that MM was never about steampunk ... just let stay by H3 ... H3 isn't steampunk … hmmm …
First of all definition of steampunk.
Steampunk is a subgenre of science fiction or science fantasy that incorporates technology and aesthetic design inspired by 19th century industrial steam-powered machinery.
So now let's look a bit closer to H3.
Land mines, Golem Factory, mechanical units, Experimental Shops, Skyship – like an airship Zeppelin, lamps, artifacts e.g: Telescope.
So, in my opinion it's quite a lot of steampunk stuffs here. Of course it won't be never dominating motive but we can't say that H3 isn't steampunk. It's all about that the civilization has decline and now is on the lower level but earlier it was definitely high.
Deffinetly agree with You brother steampunk its technology but not so drastic looking like was in Forge Sci-Fi style. Factory its great idea to be Forge like i know that Factory its something new and orginal but has the main idea of the Forge be the most technology faction in the game
Also quick short film from M&M VIII that steampunk its living in this world and suits well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1ny-x0rck
Also personally i would like to see Dragon but without wings and no flying its like heave tank in game destroyer something like Crystal Dragon.That will be great in Factory
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Czarlson
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posted January 31, 2019 02:26 PM |
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Edited by Czarlson at 15:40, 31 Jan 2019.
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Maurice said:
Czarlson, I am not sure if it's just me, but I can't see any of the images you put into your messages.
Guys, do you see images in my messages now? (especially on page 339)
I'll be greatful for reply.
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zmudziak22
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Heroes 3 Fan
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posted January 31, 2019 02:33 PM |
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Wasnt Crystal Dragons feel a bit steampunk?
They were made with Dragon Bones(probably from Deyja), crystals from Krewlod and Dracon Mother Wizard Magic?
Golems and Gargolyes are mechanical units, so factory faction made sense to be with H3 Line-ups.
Inferno had technology(Kreegans), and having gates to work like Town Portals.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
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posted January 31, 2019 02:49 PM |
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Czarlson said:
Maurice said:
Czarlson, I am not sure if it's just me, but I can't see any of the images you put into your messages.
Guys, do you see images in my messages now? (especially on page 339, 340)
I'll be greatful for reply.
I don't know what you did, but I can see them now! 
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Czarlson
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posted January 31, 2019 03:10 PM |
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@Maurice, I'm appreciate for your paying attention. Thank you.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted January 31, 2019 03:12 PM |
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The more towns we will have, the more good.
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planetavril
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posted January 31, 2019 04:14 PM |
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in the interview given, reference is made to the twelfth city that will probably always be neutral, awaiting the factory and also the twelfth city
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 31, 2019 04:39 PM |
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planetavril said:
in the interview given, reference is made to the twelfth city that will probably always be neutral, awaiting the factory and also the twelfth city
HotA Team originally planned to release three towns. Ofc they are the only ones who know how this original vision of Cove/Cathedral/Kromwerk evolved over the years to this point...
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted January 31, 2019 04:43 PM |
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planetavril said:
the twelfth city that will probably always be neutral
Seems like a lot of work to go through, if we are'nt properly allowed to play with it.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted January 31, 2019 04:59 PM |
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At forge, I stop playing HotA.
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planetavril
Famous Hero
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posted January 31, 2019 06:33 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Seems like a lot of work to go through, if we are'nt properly allowed to play with it.
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I will always play to hota and heroes in general, maybe they would come to add the thirtieth city and even beyond instead of adding just three
I will probably find a way to come back to life after dead so I can continue playing Heroes 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted January 31, 2019 07:02 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
planetavril said:
the twelfth city that will probably always be neutral
Seems like a lot of work to go through, if we are'nt properly allowed to play with it.
I think what they mean is that you won't be able to select it before the map begins as a player Town. As such, those Towns would always be "secondary" Towns, that the player needs to capture.
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Xfing
Adventuring Hero
I like Forge
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posted January 31, 2019 07:39 PM |
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Opera said:
Deffinetly agree with You brother steampunk its technology but not so drastic looking like was in Forge Sci-Fi style.
Yeah, and that way it's just another town basically.
I don't mind steampunk aesthetics, but I could never shake the impression that it's just a half-measure for people who want to have some measure technology in a high-fantasy world but don't have the balls to go all the way. NWC went all the way. The very point of science fantasy is the clash of sci-fi and fantasy. Might and Magic once including that clash is one of the strongest and coolest aspects of the entire IP.
There are great steampunk IPs, such as Arcanum (absolutely unforgettable game), but I can't help but feel sad how underappreciated and misunderstood legit science fantasy is. No one even makes big budget PC games of that kind. Hell, I haven't seen any science fantasy game that wouldn't be a tabletop board game. It's a big heartbreaking to see this perpetuated, just because people are afraid to break boundaries for fear of short-sighted "swordsmen vs tanks = bad" criticism.
Don't get me wrong, I'll still check the crap out of the new town when it's out, but oh well - I had hopes for a proper revitalization of the Forge. Maybe someone, someday...
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted January 31, 2019 08:50 PM |
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Xfing said:
I don't mind steampunk aesthetics, but I could never shake the impression that it's just a half-measure for people who want to have some measure technology in a high-fantasy world but don't have the balls to go all the way. NWC went all the way.
Despite the NWC created the Might and Magic universe, I can't really agree you with that "they went all the way." I would say quite the opposite. Last second U-turn and a release of somewhat unfinished town was better option for them than going all in with high technology town Forge.
Even today the community can't seem to deside if Forge would have fit in the Homm series or not. Since this is the case, I really can't argue with their decision of not making Forge and instead planning a town that uses some of the Forge's known elements. I think, (and possibly they think too) that releasing Forge would have splitted the playerbase, and nobody wants that.
Since Forge is not being released now, I think it will never happen in Hota.
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