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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Popular Thread is 351 pages long: 1 40 80 120 160 200 240 280 320 ... 341 342 343 344 345 ... 351 · «PREV / NEXT»
Czarlson
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posted February 04, 2019 01:48 PM


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verriker
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posted February 04, 2019 02:26 PM

blob2 said:
Well sci-fi can be succesfully mixed with fantasy. While I never liked the whole Forge concept as it sticked like a sore thumb when compared to Heroes 3 setting, through they years I came to accept such genre mix as it can be successfully implemented. For instance, the Endless universe is a good example: Endless Legend is set on a planet that is basically a fantasy setting with knights and dragons (with a twist of course) but due to it being a planet-wide lab/experiment ancient ultra-technology has put a mark on it (there are even factions which are descendants of cosmic travelers who crash-landed and don't remember the fact, yet are still using automatons). And if you fly off the planet you'll actually find a sprawling universe with high-tech civilizations (Endless Space).


your successful implementation you described is basically the exact same lore as the Heroes lore, I don't know if you are aware of that lol
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posted February 04, 2019 02:34 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:43, 04 Feb 2019.

verriker said:
your successful implementation you described is basically the exact same lore as the Heroes lore, I don't know if you are aware of that lol


Yes yes, I know. I was referring to implementation of Forge in H3 specifically and how it could be handled. I don't remember exactly, but there weren't many references to the "universal" lore in Heroes 3 (Might & Magic games are a different matter), those were actually pretty scarce (some Heroes bios trace their origins to space if I remember correctly). That is why it was such a shock to some of the playerbase when plans for Forge were announced. I think Forge was too "flashy", if it was more obvious that Enroth was a land of "degenerated" races created by Ancients, people would be more willing to accept an invasion from Heavenly Forge plot device...

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Xfing
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posted February 04, 2019 02:45 PM
Edited by Xfing at 14:48, 04 Feb 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
Inferno being aliens and angels being robots, sounds so incredibly stupid that I'll just pretend it never happended.


Pretend all you want, but it will be you who goes into headcanon and ignores the Word of God I mean what else are they supposed to be in a world clearly devoid of Christian demonology and angelology? What Kreegans are you can clearly see in MM6 and 7.

I for one have always thought that that such sci-fi undertones greatly added to the M&M universe, as without them it would be just another fantasy world, basically (especially the Antagarich era, most cherished by fans). Homm3 stands on its own thanks to its great art direction and music, which creates a really captivating mood, but ever since I found out about the Forge I couldn't help but want it badly.

I started my foray into the MM universe with MM8, mind you - and I played nothing except that and a little Heroes for years.  I also played some MM7, but never found the map for the Priest promotion, so I never saw the twist that came at the end, and thus was unaware of the sci-fi aspect of the franchise for literal years. But eventually I did see the reveal, and for me it was one of the most amazingly rewarding gaming experiences ever. The lack of popularity of science fantasy franchises outside of tabletop card games and such is really regrettable IMO.

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posted February 05, 2019 04:52 PM
Edited by Planewalker at 16:53, 05 Feb 2019.

The reason Forge sticks out like an ugly mass in Heroes is because the game is designed with a high fantasy theme from the ground up. Heroes of Might and Magic is presented as the medieval fantasy universe that the "true" lore of M&M presents as an illusion. The sci-fi lore of its namesake is irrelevant because it generally does not reference it or attempt to integrate it.

Ironically, Heroes of Might and Magic does such a good job at sticking to the illusion created within the M&M lore that it can't integrate the Forge without it looking utterly out of place -- canon notwithstanding.

I'm open to a light compromise with Factory and would outright reject Forge same as I did ~20 years ago. I think Factory is an acceptable midground within the traditional confines of the high fantasy genre.
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Morglin
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posted February 05, 2019 05:17 PM
Edited by Morglin at 17:19, 05 Feb 2019.

Please, don't tease the Russians by putting screenshots from other mods in their official topic. Thank you.

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Elvin
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posted February 05, 2019 05:39 PM

verriker said:
Elvin said:
Comparing a type of bow to forge-like technology is probably not the smartest argument of the decade.


to be fair he did clearly say the Cove and the Factory not anywhere the Forge, reading the post you reply to is a good foundation to commentate on who is smart mate cheers lol

This factory, right? Doesn't seem any less futuristic than the forge so I don't get your jab.
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revolut1oN
revolut1oN


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posted February 05, 2019 05:47 PM

What? Wasn't he talking about HotA Factory, the wild west one?

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planetavril
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posted February 05, 2019 06:34 PM
Edited by planetavril at 18:45, 05 Feb 2019.

it was just to tell the fans that they would like the forge in hota, not to continue to say that it would be better than factory,since when they have announced factory some fans do nothing but say that the forge would have been better

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Lth3
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posted February 05, 2019 07:06 PM

Elvin said:
This factory, right? Doesn't seem any less futuristic than the forge so I don't get your jab.


'Cyber Zombie' looks like a modern version of a no-life gamer these days, haha

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Elvin
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posted February 05, 2019 07:22 PM

revolut1oN said:
What? Wasn't he talking about HotA Factory, the wild west one?

Oh right, found it. Steampunk cowboys and incinerators huh. Not quite so high tech, though it feels a little out of place in heroes 3. Cove feels a lot more believable.
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posted February 05, 2019 07:45 PM

darkem said:

Have you noticed that this hobbit/halfling wields a freaking bomb? At first I was sure it's a pipe, but then "WcaleNieMorglin" at AcidCave zoomed it a bit. It's gonna be fun. I already feel Back To The Future Part 3 vibes !



How did i miss this? That is so cool!

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blob2
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posted February 05, 2019 08:06 PM

Probably beats Merry and Pippin throwing rocks from the back of Treebeard

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Gandalf196
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posted February 05, 2019 08:17 PM

blob2 said:
Probably beats Merry and Pippin throwing rocks from the back of Treebeard


lol

And how about this for a tier 6 creature?


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What if Elvin was female?
posted February 05, 2019 09:26 PM

That reminds me
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Gandalf196
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posted February 05, 2019 10:13 PM

Elvin said:
That reminds me


lol

So that is the wizard they had in mind when they decided that after the tenth level this class' primary skill advancement would be the monstrously obnoxious 30/20/20/30
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Xfing
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posted February 06, 2019 12:32 AM
Edited by Xfing at 00:35, 06 Feb 2019.

Planewalker said:
The reason Forge sticks out like an ugly mass in Heroes is because the game is designed with a high fantasy theme from the ground up. Heroes of Might and Magic is presented as the medieval fantasy universe that the "true" lore of M&M presents as an illusion. The sci-fi lore of its namesake is irrelevant because it generally does not reference it or attempt to integrate it.

Ironically, Heroes of Might and Magic does such a good job at sticking to the illusion created within the M&M lore that it can't integrate the Forge without it looking utterly out of place -- canon notwithstanding.

I'm open to a light compromise with Factory and would outright reject Forge same as I did ~20 years ago. I think Factory is an acceptable midground within the traditional confines of the high fantasy genre.


Actually you got this wrong. The high fantasy isn't an "illusion" at all - it's all true and legit. The thing is, it's just part of the whole picture. That's what makes science fantasy - there is science, and there is fantasy. If you're under the impression that the fantasy in the MM universe is some sort of a lie, you're wrong

As for the Factory, one of the authors replied to me in a comment on the youtube reveal video and they said there would be no overt sci-fi in Factory, at least nothing beyond "implied" stuff, such as the angels and kreegans, or the Armor of Wonders (never realized that thing had a sci-fi background, I'd sure love to hear more about it!)

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Czarlson
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posted February 06, 2019 10:57 AM
Edited by Czarlson at 11:31, 06 Feb 2019.

@Gandalf196 @Elvin
Oh my …. I see that 3 last pages are for nothing, It all go to the hell.
In polish there is historical, colloquial statement something like “ it all went for nothing like a blood in the sand”.

Now I'm starting understand NWC crew why they lost faith in their narration/project.

I'll repeat this one last time -this is not Planet Earth. .
In this world rules:  brutal enormous might and powerful magic and this is why the path of technological development has gone in a different direction.
So this is the reason why this Halflings with bomb are probably tier 1 unit.
Even hypothetical AK-47 wouldn’t be enough vs strength and well armored creatures like Dragons, Titans, Behemoths,  Angels, Devils,  magical or undead army. How simple gun can compare with spells like Meteor Shower, Chain Lightning, Fireball or Armageddon...

P.S.
Archangels (read: sophisticated robots) are probably the best/or one of the best effective known weapon by Ancients against Kreegans it means that any kind of pistols, cannons, guns  doesn't take on greater significance.

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posted February 06, 2019 11:17 AM

Someone find RPG and send this guy to Moon, then he can say "this is not planet Earth"

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Gandalf196
Gandalf196


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posted February 06, 2019 11:31 AM

Czarlson said:
@Gandalf196 @Elvin
Oh my …. I see that 3 last pages are for nothing, It all go to the hell.
In polish there is historical, colloquial statement something like “ it all went for nothing like a blood in the sand”.

Now I'm starting understand NWC crew why they lost faith in their narration/project.

I'll repeat this one last time -this is not the Planet Earth. .
In this world rules:  brutal enormous might and powerful magic and this is why the path of technological development has gone in a different direction.
So this is the reason why this Halflings with bomb are probably tier 1 unit.
Even hypothetical AK-47 wouldn’t be enough vs strength and well armored creatures like Dragons, Titans, Behemoths,  Angels, Devils,  magical or undead army. How simple gun can compare with spells like Meteor Shower, Chain Lightning, Fireball or Armageddon...

P.S.
Archangels (read: sophisticated robots) are probably the best/or one of the best effective known weapon by Ancients against Kreegans it means that any kind of pistols, cannons, guns  doesn't take on greater significance.


If you're complaining about Gandalf and his legendary AK-47, that was just a joke
I am aboard the hype train; as far as I've seen, Factory seems to be worlds apart from Forge, fitting both thematically and aesthetically in our cherished game
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