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P4R4D0X0N
Famous Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 12:55 AM |
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Seems like I missed the bashing.
Well even if a lot of ppl want that HotA update it's better it takes some time get get everything as good as possible for a release...
Speaking of releases... I just found out there will be a "UFO: Extraterrestrials 2" on steam... Inbetween there was an awesome XCOM remake, a masterpiece with XCOM2, a good Chimera Squad, Phoenix Point... Even the genre evolved in that timespan, and the 2005 release of "UFO: Aftershock" is still better in some points. After I waited for that game for ~12 years now, I'm not sure if I've evolved myself into a more "active playstyle" 
What I want so say is... even after that long time there is a posibility for a release, and I think it'll happen some day with the best possible quality outcome.
Phoenix4ever said:
That might be a bit off-topic for this thread, but I don't consider my mod complete yet and I think it would annoy people to change the rules every 1-2 months.
And I think some people will hate the TP change, but you never know I might release it eventually, until then you can at least see what I'm doing.
I also welcome critique and questions, nothing is set in stone yet. 
"The proof of the pudding is in the eating..." If it was for me, there would be balance change for HotA and HD mod every few months (or at least every 1/2 a year). All for the purpose to check how towns, skills and the meta evolved for the timespan. And if there are inbalances and/or if towns are played a lot more often than others, the balance would change again... thats pure statistics and maths
On the other hand... complaining about balance in general and changing it for personal purposes while not sharing it... is quite unrelieable...
Why complaining in the first place when you mod it yourself anyway? Why bother to get in conflict with other players or even demand releases when you don't share anything yourself? It's also quite presumptuous to think that your custom changes are the holy grail of HoMM gameplay and the whole game has to be changed that way. Even if the most players like HotA as it is. Don't you think other ppl may use their brain aswell and excel sheets (at least) to do the maths and post "advices"? I know whats better than that: try things out and challenge your skill while playing online vs other players... That's how gameplay and skill would evolve on empiric bases and bigoted points of view just vanish while getting better, 'coz the whole game isn't just made of must-haves and won't-haves.
Furthermore HotA and HoMM3 in general are old school games as "UFO ET2" also is, and imho it should stay that way. This game will never be balanced in the first place, turn based retaliation and the whole primary skill mechanics are flawed as hell, but thats how the game is.
Atm I'm waiting for a "maybe" XCOM3 and hope for an "Alpha Centauri" remake someday. HotA also fits on this waiting list for "awesome strategy games"
€dit: grammar and spelling (was late yesterday)
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Rimgrabber
Promising
Famous Hero
Voice in Gelu's Head
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posted May 16, 2021 01:10 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
NimoStar said:
My greatest cristicism to phoenix is posting "changelogs" of his mod that doesn't exist. I would respect more if at least his mod was public. As is why is he posting the changelogs? to himself? He can read them in notepad in his PC
That might be a bit off-topic for this thread, but I don't consider my mod complete yet and I think it would annoy people to change the rules every 1-2 months.
And I think some people will hate the TP change, but you never know I might release it eventually, until then you can at least see what I'm doing.
I also welcome critique and questions, nothing is set in stone yet.
I think I've mentioned this theory before but I'm convinced Phoenix's mod doesn't really exist and his entire persona is just meant to be enough of a troll to keep these threads alive. Hats off to you sir.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted May 16, 2021 07:15 AM |
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No sense in saying Phoenix doesn't have a mod. It means you've a very old brain, example of you've seen him 20 years ago, and you meet him again, you call him a very old thing or fake fact. Why? He looks like ok, etc
IDK about TP.
A). You're OP against AI. Then you thought other players are more OP, because used too much TP.
B). You copied H4. When balanced.
C). Played slow, resurrection, TP often, so you wanted be different.
D). Because of Stronghold and Fortress.
E). Your comment
You can choose one or all a-e, please!
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 16, 2021 08:10 AM |
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@P4R4D0X0N
Don't you think it would annoy people to buff and nerf things constantly, especially if your favorite town gets nerfed?
But that is actually what I am doing, seeing how the towns are doing and then balance because of this, best towns might receive nerfs and worst towns might receive buffs.
But as I said I don't feel my mod is ready yet.
Yes I mod, but I don't know how to do everything, especially stuff relating to Cove and HotA, that's why I hope they will also eventually change some things.
It's honestly baffling how some people think my mod is'nt real, would I really go through all that trouble just for it to be fake.
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shev441
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 08:48 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
@P4R4D0X0N
Don't you think it would annoy people to buff and nerf things constantly, especially if your favorite town gets nerfed?
But that is actually what I am doing, seeing how the towns are doing and then balance because of this, best towns might receive nerfs and worst towns might receive buffs.
But as I said I don't feel my mod is ready yet.
Yes I mod, but I don't know how to do everything, especially stuff relating to Cove and HotA, that's why I hope they will also eventually change some things.
It's honestly baffling how some people think my mod is'nt real, would I really go through all that trouble just for it to be fake.
Yea but its quite ironic that you spam to hota because they do not releaseing new version, in same time you are doing exacly the same. Didn't it occur to you that they also don't want to relase update when it's not ready ?
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 16, 2021 09:14 AM |
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Maybe, but at least I communicate and update my mod often.
I can't remember when anyone from HotA last posted anything here.
The update with how Factory was progressing was not even posted here, it was posted on the russian forum.
Maybe they just don't care about HC.
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 11:35 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Maybe they just don't care about HC.
Well, I wouldn't be very surprised if that was the case. There have been a bunch of people in HC that are somewhat jealous to Hota's success and would love to see it fail horribly and boy, they're not even trying to hide that. Generally speaking, a lot of Hota related discussions are somewhat lead by people that don't even really care about Hota or who clearly aren't playing it, and overall the atmosphere in Hota related discussions are generally very negative.
Like, why would you even want to communicate in situation like that lol?
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pellish
Famous Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 11:37 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
Maybe, but at least I communicate and update my mod often.
I can't remember when anyone from HotA last posted anything here.
The update with how Factory was progressing was not even posted here, it was posted on the russian forum.
Maybe they just don't care about HC.
I sure as hell wouldn't care to keep people like you updated.
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Ugh, why do they insist on making a lot of scenarios, campaigns and cutscenes that apparently takes forever to make.
Just finish the city, then release the other stuff later, for those that are interested in that.
It has already been 3 years or more.
"What a great person. This guy is totally worth keeping happy. He seems like he really cares about the project as a whole."
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Kipshasz
Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
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posted May 16, 2021 11:47 AM |
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Edited by Kipshasz at 12:03, 16 May 2021.
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well to be fair, Chicken4ever works on his supa kewl mod that has like infinity +2 balance changes and crap, so is better than HOTA, because Town Portal nerf is sooooooooo bleeping important. esspecially for a guy who claims to never play multiplayer.
and then I heard whispers about guys who made meme mods for Heroes 7 working on their HotA killer as well. with infinity +3 features. Which I honestly think is complete BS, like many other mod ideas we had here.
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"Kip is the Gavin McInnes of HC" - Salamandre
"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 16, 2021 12:05 PM |
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I don't even know what to say anymore, let's just wait and see what/if anything happens.
I'll try to be a good boy in the meantime.
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nitocris
Hired Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 01:42 PM |
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We'd be lucky to get an update by the end of the year. Let that sink in for a second.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 05:25 PM |
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Usually, when a project leader dies, the project dies with him, unless the other members want to honor him and their time together by releasing the final work. Like "Made in Heaven" by Queen.
Which is what is meant to happen here.
I'm positive about getting the next HotA version. Pretty sure it will happen - there is a lot of work already done and I'm sure they want to honor Docent Picolan's memory that way as well.
But after that? Right now I'm pretty sure it will be the last version (except for bugfixes).
You'll probably have to live with useless eagle eye and learning for a while. Maybe for another 23 years, who knows.
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Phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 16, 2021 06:53 PM |
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Doomforge said:
Usually, when a project leader dies, the project dies with him, unless the other members want to honor him and their time together by releasing the final work. Like "Made in Heaven" by Queen.
Which is what is meant to happen here.
It does'nt have to be that way. A new leader could be chosen and new members could join.
Of course we will never forget Docent Picolan and his ideas and wishes should still be respected.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted May 16, 2021 07:21 PM |
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And their goal is all OP became nerfed. And then s**t keeps the same. A few of buffed, if add on a new something. Why? HotA isn't single but MP. Players practice Campaign and a few of maps for MP, when different style, etc Noobs can play MP, when OP off, and a new rule.
So you know now. Talking snow out.
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purerogue
Known Hero
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posted May 16, 2021 07:49 PM |
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Hourglass said:
There have been a bunch of people in HC that are somewhat jealous to Hota's success and would love to see it fail horribly and boy, they're not even trying to hide that. Generally speaking, a lot of Hota related discussions are somewhat lead by people that don't even really care about Hota or who clearly aren't playing it, and overall the atmosphere in Hota related discussions are generally very negative.
Like, why would you even want to communicate in situation like that lol?
As an uninformed observer, I'm just annoyed the wiki has been co-opted by Hota, I wish there could be a firewall so the info is not jumbled.
It's fine if a group of people want to take it wherever they want to take it, as anyone is free to do as they wish, to the extent of a personal fiefdom.
The interest and work done is a positive.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted May 16, 2021 08:09 PM |
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The "big" guys on the wiki hardly seem to accept any other opinion other than theirs, and repeatedly admit their actions are biased (after showing no relevant counter-arguments brought against their actions too). I think one of those convos is still on one page, if they didn't delete it already. And regardless of what the convo was about exactly, the behavior and way of thinking remains.
I am not talking about the owner, who is totally inactive, btw, just about a few guys with more permissions than their supposed motivations should allow.
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Enshackling time itself, heralds of the Ancients among their heat-depleted land.... Who could they be, who could rally the beings of the East and the North and control the mortals' fate?
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P4R4D0X0N
Famous Hero
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posted May 18, 2021 01:20 AM |
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Phoenix4ever said:
@P4R4D0X0N
Don't you think it would annoy people to buff and nerf things constantly, especially if your favorite town gets nerfed?
Nope, thats the point of "balance" in the first place. I like to have 9 favorite towns coz every single one has it's purpose and unique gameplay while being equally to other towns.
Phoenix4ever said:
But that is actually what I am doing, seeing how the towns are doing and then balance because of this, best towns might receive nerfs and worst towns might receive buffs.
But as I said I don't feel my mod is ready yet.
The patch is still an "one point view", every player with some pvp or game experience would exploit your changes in no time, just reading you changelog.
Phoenix4ever said:
It's honestly baffling how some people think my mod is'nt real, would I really go through all that trouble just for it to be fake.
*shrug* some ppl are masochists, and some even like their role as victim. Guess you can tell... I can't, I just may bring "possible explainations" to your rhetorical question without a questionmark
purerogue said:
As an uninformed observer, I'm just annoyed the wiki has been co-opted by Hota, I wish there could be a firewall so the info is not jumbled.
It's fine if a group of people want to take it wherever they want to take it, as anyone is free to do as they wish, to the extent of a personal fiefdom.
The interest and work done is a positive.
Well, I guess thats because of HotA's success in the first place. HD Mod, simultanous turns, PvP lobby, stable builds,the original like quality and bugfixes for broken original content. I guess the pvp lobby is the main reason for it to be in wiki. If the most "custom" units and towns weren't straight from the trash bin and recycled from other ppl's property/games/gif's maybe if would be different. Everyone is free to create a similar project solo or as a team. And some stuff came on that level "Oasis" to name at least one "counterpart", Nephretes did an awesome job there...
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zahoransky
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 18, 2021 12:29 PM |
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I have 10 good ideas for upgrade of Horn of Abyss with new ideas and proposals to make game better and more funy. With several ideas there will be possible to make amazing maps with new strategies and ideas.
Actually, I finished my new Vladko remake of some interesting map – now the map for Heroes 3 Horn of Abbyss named Questing.
https://www.maps4heroes.com/forum/opinions.php?map_id=2056&game=3
As allways my Vladko remakes are HARD LIKE HELL  There are typical „Vladko“ modifications so secrets, hidden things, super secret areas, heavy challanges, tricky situations, failures, and needed good strategies ... is all what you expect from this Vladko modification. As allways devil is in details Have a fun.
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Pollo2002
Famous Hero
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posted May 18, 2021 01:34 PM |
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What hota has is simultaneous turn and lobby. Remove that and hota has nothing.
But it also means that without that, you can't compete with hota.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted May 18, 2021 01:41 PM |
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That's one really serious weak spot then.
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