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SkeleTony
Hired Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 05:19 PM |
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nik312 said:
Lord_Immortal said:
Steyn said:
Hobbit said: No, they are NIXES - big water creatures, which had too many concepts to tell what it actually resembles.
Could you make more of these 'evolutions' of cove creatures? It is a really nice way to get a little bit insight in the creative process behind this great expansion.
There are some [url=www.hota.acidcave.net]here[/url] in the Galeria - Modele, Szkice section
Btw, blue Nix is better than current. Its upgrade was crimson w. full armor. Why don't you release an alternate version patch for the Nyx appearence?
That is one of the reasons why we don't publish those creature evolutions and old works overall. Most people w/o specific education see everything "new" as something better than existing (especially in graphics). That's really irritating for any artist who processed a huge work before final model was considered good enough.
To be fair I don't think this is the case with Lord_Immortal or anyone else necessarily who see the Blue Nix is looking better. I too think the blue Nix makes more sense and is more appealing it is has nothing to do with it being "newer". Just that it looks more like an oceanic hominid...kind of 'shark-ish', whereas the current Nix looks like it could be a new version of the fortress lizardmen/warriors and does not really provoke the feeling that this is a water borne creature.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 05:21 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 17:23, 28 Jul 2014.
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Quote: And if the previous version was better, wouldn't there be a larger group of people asking for its return?
How can a previous version be better if a number of professional artists have decided it is not good enough to be accepted?
And most people seeing old concepts cannot overcome a cognitive bias of "something new". That nix IMHO is a perfect example. It strikes my eye with appearance totally unfitting current Town Style and Heroes III overall graphical style. But that's exactly why it creates an illusion of something so fresh and cool.
It would actually look better in heroes 2, but in current Heroes 3 Cove lineup I would be rather confused by such... creature.
PS Still, don't know what was an opinion of Docent/other artists on it.
SkeleTony said:
To be fair I don't think this is the case with Lord_Immortal or anyone else necessarily who see the Blue Nix is looking better. I too think the blue Nix makes more sense and is more appealing it is has nothing to do with it being "newer". Just that it looks more like an oceanic hominid...kind of 'shark-ish', whereas the current Nix looks like it could be a new version of the fortress lizardmen/warriors and does not really provoke the feeling that this is a water borne creature.
Ehm... Have you ever seen crocodile?))
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SkeleTony
Hired Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 05:23 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Lord_Immortal said: I have a certain familiarity with modding, so I'm not a "Most people w/o specific education".
So much familiarity that you ask HotA team to release a minor patch to change some graphics when HotA team is well known to release only one version of their work...yeah right.
I completely understand nik. While people can have different opinions, this kind of requests are like an insult to all the efforts HotA crew has put into this MOD.
Where did he ask for HotA to release a minor patch?!
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SkeleTony
Hired Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 05:29 PM |
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nik312 said:
Quote: And if the previous version was better, wouldn't there be a larger group of people asking for its return?
How can a previous version be better if a number of professional artists have decided it is not good enough to be accepted?
And most people seeing old concepts cannot overcome a cognitive bias of "something new". That nix IMHO is a perfect example. It strikes my eye with appearance totally unfitting current Town Style and Heroes III overall graphical style. But that's exactly why it creates an illusion of something so fresh and cool.
It would actually look better in heroes 2, but in current Heroes 3 Cove lineup I would be rather confused by such... creature.
PS Still, don't know what was an opinion of Docent/other artists on it.
SkeleTony said:
To be fair I don't think this is the case with Lord_Immortal or anyone else necessarily who see the Blue Nix is looking better. I too think the blue Nix makes more sense and is more appealing it is has nothing to do with it being "newer". Just that it looks more like an oceanic hominid...kind of 'shark-ish', whereas the current Nix looks like it could be a new version of the fortress lizardmen/warriors and does not really provoke the feeling that this is a water borne creature.
Ehm... Have you ever seen crocodile?))
I have seen crocodiles and I have also seen octopi and porcupines, so long as we are dragging irrelevant creatures into the discussion. Our point that you seem to be confused about is that the blue 'shark-man' looking Nix looks more OCEANIC (so crocodiles are irrlevant) than a swampy lizardman.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 05:44 PM |
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OK. I get it now. Well, maybe some kind of sharkish Nix could have had a right to become final version, but it didn't make it after all. It's OK. Let's not forget that Cove's native terrain is tropical swamp after all.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted July 28, 2014 05:48 PM |
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SkeleTony said: Where did he ask for HotA to release a minor patch?!
here
Lord_Immortal said: Why don't you release an alternate version patch for the Nyx appearence?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 06:15 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 18:17, 28 Jul 2014.
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nik312 said: if a number of professional artists
Lol
Voting is not always an optimal way to choose better piece.
And who crowned HOTA authors to be professional artists?
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 06:34 PM |
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Boys, if you want a blue Nix get yourself a pair of blue glasses or extract the def an recolour all the frames with GIMP, Krita or whatever program. But please stop this umpteenth time-hairsplitting.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 06:41 PM |
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gatecrasher said: Boys, if you want a blue Nix get yourself a pair of blue glasses or extract the def an recolour all the frames with GIMP, Krita or whatever program. But please stop this umpteenth time-hairsplitting.
Why so much troubles? This Nix was in Cove Beta version, anyone can still get him.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted July 28, 2014 07:07 PM |
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 07:09 PM |
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Warmonger said: Macron, if you want to do something useful for anyone, better go back to new battlefields
As soon as I end conversion
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Lord_Immortal
Famous Hero
DoR Dev Team
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posted July 28, 2014 08:02 PM |
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What the hell is going on here?
Storm-Giant said:
Lord_Immortal said: I have a certain familiarity with modding, so I'm not a "Most people w/o specific education".
So much familiarity that you ask HotA team to release a minor patch to change some graphics when HotA team is well known to release only one version of their work...yeah right.
I completely understand nik. While people can have different opinions, this kind of requests are like an insult to all the efforts HotA crew has put into this MOD.
First, Storm-Giant, read carefully to understand what's written kid.
Familiarity with the process of modding.I mod Mount&Blade.Might not be the same as modding Heroes III, but I know that a modder never throws away his work. So the HotA team MUST have those models/icons(I've seen'em in another mod too).
The HotA team well-known for releasing 1 version of their work... no, I didn't know that.
Releasing alternate patch is not an insult. I'm not saying that their current model is bad. Just that my tastes are a little different. Modding teams should release various alternative downloads. It's a way to fit better with the "customers" and their tastes.
And they should release all the defs they don't intend to use. Other modders may very well use them in their mods.
But, whether the Nix should be blue or green is not a valid argument for fighting and insulting each other. I think discussing the appearence of creatures IS important, for as long as we keep an open mind to all opinions. Most likely I'm not going to change Storm-Giant's (or anyone else) mind but I'd like to express my opinion freely and see if it gains support.
EDIT: Can anyone, btw, direct me to that mod that uses the beta Nix(blue&crimson) and end these here.
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blueskirt
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 08:27 PM |
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Quote: Voting is not always an optimal way to choose better piece.
Damn right, which is why they shouldn't change it no matter how many complains about it. It's their baby, not a democracy.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 08:42 PM |
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Lord_Immortal said: I know that a modder never throws away his work.
i do, all the time. i'm constantly upgrading or replacing old graphics, and i never keep the old(or even the new, really. if i want to change updated or replaced graphics, i re-extract it from the lod again). it would take up too much unneeded space if i kept it around. the only things i DON'T chuck are incomplete ideas. but once the idea's firmly implanted, then away the draftwork goes. but i work with a ton of graphics, so maybe i'm the odd one out here.
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Lord_Immortal
Famous Hero
DoR Dev Team
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posted July 28, 2014 08:45 PM |
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I agree no polls. They make happy only a part of the public.
Fred,(offtopic and for curiosity's sake), don't you keep some of your older works (not the bad ones, I too remove bad work) for some sort of nostalgia?
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 08:53 PM |
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nope. i'll keep some things here and there, if i want to make a progression gif. but i end up deleting everything that i've made that isn't already in the lod, some sooner, some later.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted July 28, 2014 09:21 PM |
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@Lord_Immortal: I was in a bad mood this afternoon when I wrote that, my apologies.
But have in mind, everytime you drop here you post the first idea that comes to your mind, and it can be really tiring when you have been told several times HotA team doesn't work this way...
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 09:24 PM |
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nor any other modder. few people are that accomodating.
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revolut1oN
Famous Hero
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posted July 28, 2014 09:43 PM |
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I think previous Nix was in one of Hero of Light's mods. Crimson Tides?
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted July 29, 2014 08:59 AM |
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Lord_Immortal said: And they should release all the defs they don't intend to use. Other modders may very well use them in their mods.
Ehh, no. They don't owe anyone else anything. Heck, we are lucky enough that we have such a talented and dedicated group making such a quality fan-based expansion as it is! Whatever they produce isn't covered by a publisher's contract and hence is their own intellectual property.
While it *would* be nice if they'd release their unused material, they most certainly *shouldn't*, just because you somehow feel entitled to the material they created.
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