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VodevilX
Hired Hero
Skeleton Jack
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posted January 05, 2014 12:20 PM |
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Late game Magic?
Hi!
Question is: Magic heroes, are they completely useless late game?
I've played a few games, with my cousin now days, hot seat. And I never stood a chance vs. his might heroes (mostly barbarian, once dungeon) I tried Haven, Necro and Inferno. The heroes and armies were powerful, but no that different. And also, only time i could beat him, when i played might hero (haven).
So magic is nice early on, maybe a bit later in game, but late on, just quite few of them work, mainly those, where gain is obvious like haste, or vampirism, you know... But healing, damaging spell are completely out of way. Useless, overpriced... I just don't get it. So i'm interested in different opinions on magic, late game. Thanks.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 05, 2014 01:10 PM |
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Magic is awesome in lategame, you just have to pick the right spells. Even the all-powerful destructive might not be enough against a huge army, however see what happens if you petrify the opponent's most damaging unit, then time stasis his second most damaging unit, then summon light elementals to blind a third unit..  Or even mass weakness followed by mass stoneskin to greatly reduce their damage output. Also, while might units deal great damage under a might hero, they are just as easily decimated by your magic units. So if you protect them with tactics he has one more reason to worry about.
PS for destructive to lose their edge, the game must be ridiculously long. Like, very ridiculously long. Destructive at blood 2 mastery are really good or at least their key spells like fireball/firestorm/chain lightning/armageddon etc. Stuff like sunburst or icebolt are obviously not worth using in lategame. Same goes for heal/regeneration/celestial armour etc whose usefulness lies in earlygame.
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VodevilX
Hired Hero
Skeleton Jack
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posted January 05, 2014 02:06 PM |
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Yes, I haven't really walked that path yet, those mass spells. Time stasis seemed nice, but i hear you. Thoughtfully combined it might work.
But still, it seems much easier to build upon a might hero.
Anyway I definitely want to prove my point, so i'll experiment with those. Thanks!
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted January 22, 2014 02:58 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 15:03, 22 Jan 2014.
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what do u define by lategame..I mean what armies?
magic owns this army: 15 champs, 40-50 of each elite, 100-150 of each core
Build a Flood Conjurer hero. If u have 2 castles build the shrine that gives 15% dmg to air magic(combined bonus is 30%)
Activate shrine just before final clash.
First turn - Moonson
second turn - Chain Lightning
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VodevilX
Hired Hero
Skeleton Jack
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posted January 22, 2014 05:23 PM |
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Well, we've gone way too long. Our late game was like 4 months in the game, if not 5. Creatures? like at least 300+ core, 125+ elite, and 70-80 champ, not counting if anyone left in the towns...
But since we play shorter, and finally last weekend i've got to beat him, magic necro vs might inferno, this was more like a normal game. Actually that was a quite easy win. But i've yet to own him vs. his might barb.
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Simpelicity
Promising
Famous Hero
Video maker
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posted January 23, 2014 05:18 AM |
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CC is fun to do with Haven. Light eles+blind+stasis, not to mention glories and vestals. I can show you an example if you want - not a very glorious one, but still a good example. My opponent was just amazing too.
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VodevilX
Hired Hero
Skeleton Jack
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posted January 23, 2014 07:11 PM |
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Show me then
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Simpelicity
Promising
Famous Hero
Video maker
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posted January 24, 2014 01:24 AM |
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Alright.
This video and the next 2 in the playlist are a duel between me and Sir Nikolas.
I think I might've made that build in another duel, but this one is the one that really sticks out in my mind. Even if I lost.
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VodevilX
Hired Hero
Skeleton Jack
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posted January 27, 2014 08:47 PM |
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Yes, i saw some of these videos. Haven is awesome, but I've yet to try haven magic again!
Last weekend Ibeat the snow out of his stronger barbarian amry, with might haven.
And also had the most thrilllling, extremely close magic necro vs magic dungeon fight. He won, mostly because of my mistakes, i always wait too much with necromancy...
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