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kipshasz
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posted April 23, 2014 02:28 PM |
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it seems there's the little black men who hunt down the little green men in Kharkov, as stated by Gazeta.ua .
what's next? all the colors of the rainbow?
the more this mess is out, the more retarded it gets.
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ihor
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posted April 23, 2014 02:43 PM |
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@Zenofex
What did you expect from the government? The Rada has already voted maybe 2 weeks ago to disarm everybody. I remember they asked everybody who wants to help the country to join the National Guard. Plus Right Sector is not under control of current government.
Anyway all those talks in Geneva were really a farce, I was skeptic about that from the very beginning.
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Zenofex
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posted April 23, 2014 03:21 PM |
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I don't quite get it, under whose control is the Right Sector? I've seen plenty of videos about their groups "patrolling" Kiev, even standing in front of the Rada to make sure that, say, the Party of Regions will "vote correctly" and the government doesn't seem to object one bit. That's a dead end - your guys say "the Right Sector is not under our control", Russia says "the separatists are not under our control" and this whole thing will not lead even to a temporary solution.
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kipshasz
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posted April 23, 2014 03:58 PM |
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both the right sector and the separatists are under the control of Dollar and Euro in my opinion.
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seraphim
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posted April 23, 2014 04:44 PM |
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kipshasz said:
both the right sector and the separatists are under the control of Dollar and Euro in my opinion.
...or rubble.
Them separatists dont want no McDonald's.
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ihor
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posted April 23, 2014 05:06 PM |
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We were talking about armed forces, I thought. Unlike separatists those guys near Rada are not armed now, I suppose.
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kipshasz
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posted April 23, 2014 06:37 PM |
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seraphim said:
kipshasz said:
both the right sector and the separatists are under the control of Dollar and Euro in my opinion.
...or rubble.
Them separatists dont want no McDonald's.
nah, rubble is devolved lately.
and the dollar is more popular with the ruskies any way.
also yea, I agree about McDonald's. Hesburger is superior.
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Zenofex
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posted April 23, 2014 07:58 PM |
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ihor said:
We were talking about armed forces, I thought. Unlike separatists those guys near Rada are not armed now, I suppose.
Are you sure? I don't think anyone has tried to disarm them, at least nobody bothered to announce that in public and at least some of them were certainly armed before. From outsider's perspective neither the government, nor the separatists and Russia are willing to back off at the moment and both sides are responsible for the lack of progress.
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ihor
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posted April 23, 2014 09:56 PM |
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Yes, you are right that not all guns were returned, but I didn't hear the guys with guns walking on the streets of Kyiv recently and frightening locals. So if they don't use the guns openly, how the government should know where to search for them? The guns are just stolen now.
I don't see what Ukraine could do more. Anyway lets take a look on what Russia accuses Ukraine in breaking the deal:
1) They want the government to cancel the order to send UA military to East. That is very impudent. Russia pretends to decide where Ukraine's army should be. And this is not in the deal.
2) They want the government to disarm the "nationalists". We talked about this. At the same time there were no incidents recently with Right Sector using firearms. Except that on Easter, which now even more looks like a farce.
3) They want all arrested separatists to be released. At the same time Russia did nothing.
These Geneva papers brought nothing. True stabilization might come only after the presidential elections. If there will be elections at all.
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Zenofex
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posted April 23, 2014 10:16 PM |
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The presidential elections won't improve anything if nothing changes before that. From Russia's perspective the show in Kiev is run by the US, with the semi-willingness of some EU countries so there is no chance in hell to organize fair elections. The last part no sane person of moderate political culture can deny. At the same time, it directly or indirectly controls the situation in the south-eastern parts of the country and keeps denying fairly obvious involvement. Bottom line is, you have two main Great Powers fighting on your territory by using proxies. Classic. Problem is that you won't get to decide what will follow internally or at the very least the process will be seriously obstructed by what the US/NATO and Russia will decide to do. If they don't settle the dispute between themselves - and at this point they are unwilling to do so - it won't really matter what you think you will do.
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kipshasz
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posted April 23, 2014 10:38 PM |
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and with the moronic yanks moving troops to the Baltics, it's not going to end well.
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ihor
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posted April 23, 2014 11:18 PM |
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That makes sense. Unfortunately. Though, I hope that somewhat fairly elected president would take away the argument of Putin, that the government is not legitimate now. Obviously he might decide to deny the results of the elections, but that's a different story.
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posted April 24, 2014 12:04 PM |
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Apparently today democracy has started rolling into the eastern parts of Ukraine supported by tank treads.
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seraphim
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posted April 24, 2014 01:53 PM |
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The conflict in ukraine has been quite civil If ukraine was a muslim country, you would be seeing scud missiles and car bombs exploding left and right.
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markkur
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posted April 24, 2014 03:51 PM |
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This is strange. Why is this BBC article "Ukraine move in Sloviansk draws stern Putin warning" link the main feature and <imo> a very serious account from an eye witness that hints at a very different story in a smaller text box beside the main article? Shouldn't these be important news, something that needs to be investigated instead of running with the "flames"?
Here's the little report
At the scene
Steve Rosenberg, BBC News, Sloviansk
"We drove into Sloviansk expecting to see signs of a major confrontation between Ukrainian security forces and heavily armed pro-Russian militiamen. Earlier, Ukraine's interior ministry reported that a number of "terrorists" had been killed in a gun battle and three roadblocks cleared.
We saw people strolling through the town centre, children walking down the street, and traffic on the roads. The makeshift checkpoints, set up by the militiamen remained.
We've also been to Artemivsk. The interior ministry said a military base there had been attacked by up to 70 armed separatists and that they had been repelled. Apart from a broken window and a damaged door, there was little sign of a battle. Kiev says its military operations against pro-Russia militants continue. But what we saw suggests the need for caution about claims and counterclaims in this conflict."
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seraphim
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posted April 24, 2014 07:25 PM |
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Its a conspiracy...or incompetence.
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kipshasz
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posted April 24, 2014 08:02 PM |
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Edited by kipshasz at 21:27, 24 Apr 2014.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 24, 2014 09:27 PM |
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One witness usually doesn't outcredit legit sources.
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kipshasz
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posted April 24, 2014 09:30 PM |
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define "legit".
so far in this issue the word seems to be nonexistant and meaningless. Comrade Ihor approves of this.
and besides, this may be only a drop in the ocean of bullcrap that most media spews out.
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fred79
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posted April 24, 2014 10:05 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 22:06, 24 Apr 2014.
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