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ihor
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posted May 29, 2014 01:00 PM |
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Orzie, compare it to how Russia bombed Grozny and you can find out, that the operation of UA army is not aimed at civilians. Or for example you can remember how many civilians died in Beslan, and who is guilty for that: Russia or terrorists. No terrorists - no problem.
Not chechens, huh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_50m2v9XNM
I totally love the phrase: "We're here to protect interests of Russian Federation." 
Kip, who do you think will oust the new president then? People from the west of the country?
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kipshasz
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posted May 29, 2014 01:20 PM |
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doesn't matter from which side, he'll screw up eventually. all ex commies do. doesn't matter who's pulling the strings, the master negro or putler.
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Orzie
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posted May 29, 2014 07:13 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 19:17, 29 May 2014.
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@ihor
Your video is obviously a Western provocation since its preview image has nothing to do with the content. Kadyrov's bodyguards are shown on that preview image, which were let go by the russian court (yeah, a justice in Russia is such a justice). People in Donetsk say that there is no chechens, and I tend to believe them. I have got personal contacts with them on DF2 forum.
No DNR flags, strange crowd and no witness that the video is filmed in Ukraine.
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ihor
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posted May 29, 2014 09:54 PM |
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Second 1 - DNR flag in the center
Second 24 - DNR flag behind the truck from the left side.
It is your choice to deny the obvious facts.
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Orzie
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posted May 30, 2014 04:38 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 05:27, 30 May 2014.
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When I saw the true video from Donbass with the Vostok good-to-go ceremony, there was a real ton of those flags. As for the denying the obvious and offering one-sided information including provocations organized by unknown sides, it's been you who did it the latest 10 pages, if not more. I don't think you believe that these are provocations, so you're just another brainwashed Western Ukrainian thinking that the new Ukrainian government is pure and innocent. And I repeat again, I don't deny Russian involvement in the conflict, and I read only pro-western media, but the information it provides is really and really questionable. That low quality propaganda is not always working - these media make mistakes in their text which change the emotional perception of the text. They just can't hide the truth, as well as the double standards of the West.
I bet you also believe that the Ukrainian army has almost no casualties on the East, which information is forced via bbc.co.uk and other pro-western media, but this is obviously lies, a desperate try to cover the casualties amongst the army troops to motivate other poor Western Ukrainians to join the National Guard to 'help the country'. Hah! They always were, and still are an instrument, raw meat, which will die miserably either from separatists, or even from bandits from the National Guard renegades, the presence of whom has been documented.
The suspicion and anxiety grow in Western regions as mothers and wives get more and more truthful news about the destiny of their men on the East. Your government lies to you, which causes more and more deaths and does not solve any Ukrainian problem. I'm sorry, but I suspect that Ukraine has lost the Southeast due to the idiotic actions by your government. There would be some ways to prevent separatism, but it is too late and wrong actions are taken - now Eastern civilians truly hate you and Western army as they saw by their own eyes how they kill them, either randomly (by the fragments of explosive weapons) or consciously (some videos I sent when civilians are shot for unknown reason). Obviously Russia will use its chance to help Ukraine separate.
For example, when there was an accident in Donetsk airport, a whole train wagon which was filled with National Guard was burnt to ashes with its passengers, and surprisingly - mass media are silent! Of course, the junta does not want to seed the discontent in the people's minds, it'd rather send to death another bunch of unskilled people than try to solve the situation by another way. Pretty sure there were some students in that train...
And the latest thing - congrats with the new oligarch president. Not much is left before the next Maidan. I wish you well in that endeavour - the only thing that Maidan people can do good is to hold Maidans.
Maidan™ - making Ukraine worldwide known since 2004. Now in Facebook and Twitter!
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kipshasz
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posted May 30, 2014 08:46 AM |
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Edited by kipshasz at 08:49, 30 May 2014.
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Ukraine is a made up country anyways, and such countries don't last long.
now the junta has sealed it's fate by taking a loan from the IMF, which means that the budget can be flushed down the toilet. soon enough senior pensions(along with retired officer pensions), welfare for the unemployed and handicapped will be cut severely and so on and so on.
also bombing it's own people was really smart, the junta is just paving the road for a yank invasion. what's going on there is basically a slaughter.
fun fact: NATO would be powerless to bail out nations closest to Russia, but what the bleep, we're a buffer zone since the soviets. And it shouldn't be this way in the first bleeping place, it's suppossed to be a defensive coalition, not a nanny which bails out Europeans every time they piss off putler and fail to deal with the consequences.
by the way, russians are attacking. run to the hills.
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ihor
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posted May 30, 2014 10:14 AM |
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Orzie, ok I don't want to talk about which video is more true than other in your eyes, everyone can make a conclusion on his own.
About casualties from UA side - no that is not hidden, we have information and it's open, there are many deaths actually from the very beginning and up to the information of a helicopter taken down yesterday. But honestly the train wagon you said is something new to me. Do you have a valid source for this information?
Kip, it looks like for you it doesn't matter what to say about Ukraine, it simply has to be something bad. Sometimes it even contradicts with your other statements. Junta, president will be ousted, Ukraine won't stand at all, yankees will invade, wait for Maidan 3.0. How there can be Maidan 3.0 if Ukraine won't stand.
Have some respect.
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Orzie
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posted May 30, 2014 11:27 AM |
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Edited by Orzie at 11:28, 30 May 2014.
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>Do you have a valid source for this information?
Ukrainian mass media say about undefined 'explosion', black smoke and a fire while Donbass people who witnessed everything and were on that railway station keep saying that the National Guard tried to sneak in the town using the train. One wagon was destroyed, 20+ are dead, as a result. No info about the train crew, unfortunately.
Explosions on the railway station
Railway explosions
The railway station is closed to all passengers, no one can enter.
People cannot access the railway station
And the small piece about the National Guard and the 'small' casualties amongst them. Ukrainian news keep saying that the separatists are dying by dozens, while the army has very little casualties. However, there are many info sources telling that the situation is not so positive for the army.
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ihor
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posted May 30, 2014 12:39 PM |
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I am sorry but "there was an explosion and somebody thought that the whole bunch of National Guard guys were killed there" is not a valid source. No evidence of that. You see, there is no point from the UA side to openly admit that their helicopter was taken down with 14 guys aboard and at the same time to deny that there were our guys in that train wagon.
Also if it was mentioned in the article, that only 5 guys from National Guard were killed during ATO, it does not mean there are little casualties from UA side. Nobody denies that there are many killed and wounded from the army or Donbass batallion. They all are different forces and you got it wrong.
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Orzie
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posted June 02, 2014 08:48 PM |
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And now, the fanfares are playing, of the hymn of the glorious Ukrainian army, singing final requiem for the humanity, and dipping in snow the last pieces of Pro-western mass media honesty. The Ukrainian air strike hit the administration building in Lugansk, while bbc.co.uk says that the separatists have exploded themselves!
And the shock content shows the results. Oh yeah, the separatists have blown the ventilation system. That is why all trees around are torn with roots! A lot of people in civilian clothes are now dead or crippled forever, and the glorious Ukrainian army withdraws with honor. How long the western ukrainian 'truthful' media will tell the people that every death is Russian propaganda? For how long shall people die?
Ukraine will be never united after such events. There is a real lot of video materials this time, and the bbc's lies can be easily detected. The people of Donbass now have the full right to hate everything Western.
After the strike Part 2 - crippled bodies, a real mess
After the strike Part 3 - dying women
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwOViJcjIA]the moment of the 'ventilation system explosion'[/url]
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ihor
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posted June 03, 2014 02:14 PM |
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Zenofex
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posted June 03, 2014 03:50 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 15:51, 03 Jun 2014.
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Erm... ihor, you seem to be overly certain (understandably) that your government + the US are the good guys and the separatists + Russia are the bad guys in every situation. Here's something. It could be fake of course but frankly you base your arguments on something is which is even easier to be faked. Both sides lie, get used to the idea. If you prefer to think that only those who you don't like lie, well... that's another matter.
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ihor
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posted June 03, 2014 05:40 PM |
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OK, I agree, I once mentioned that I am not going to post unverified information, so I would like if everybody does the same, at least not presenting it as truth for sure.
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Orzie
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posted June 03, 2014 05:43 PM |
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Ihor, in this case this is obviously true. Ukrainian mass media also love to scream about chechens on Donbass territory, so anyway it's nothing different to Russian propaganda about the Right Sector swarming the area. Everyone understands that there is only the army contingent, and several major groups of the National Guard (formed from the same Right Sector and fooled youngsters).
The jet fighter is a reality. There are a lot of materials related. The fairy tales about '2 tons of trotile' spread by Ukrainian mass media (right after they lied about the explosion of the conditioning system, but surprisingly, they have changed their mind) are just fairy-tales, because a) trotile is NOT dynamite and barely can burn, not even self-explode (it needs and initiator), and b) 2 tons of trotile would blow the entire building to tiny, tiny bits. And c) are separatists such idiots that they would store 2 tons of trotile under their asses? And the explosion happened on the upper floor, which means that they sat over it all the time? That is obviously a lie.
If the videos found on the Internet are not a proof to you (which is strange because the presence of aircraft was filmed), think logically.
Tomorrow we will read in newspapers that the jet fighter was true, but was piloted by separatists/chechens/Putin himself and they did it to compromete the army. And no one in the Western Ukraine, including you, Ihor, will wonder HOW the separatists would capture the jet fighter. It may be a surprise, but they don't have Superman helping them.
In the result we have one thing: the army bombs the building in the center of the city, disabling and killing a lot of people in civil clothes, while no separatist is killed. Obviously, they want the people to realize that they made the worst choice supporting the separatist movement. But answer one question to me: shouldn't be this called terrorism instead of anti-terrorism?
Here is the video showing the interior of the building after the explosion. Many rooms are damaged, and all of them are damaged near the windows (they are literally blown away), while the opposite sides of the rooms are undamaged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7Ti7Zkpy2U
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Orzie
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posted June 03, 2014 06:18 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 19:28, 03 Jun 2014.
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kipshasz
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posted June 03, 2014 10:10 PM |
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hooray, democracy!
I've read recently that one of the yank bigshot sons got a job at the company which supervises the pipelines of Ukraine for gas'n'crap. shouldn't there been a referendum for it? because it's... you know... a strategic object?
this basically means the junta gave away a key object to foreign forces. way to go.
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"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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ihor
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posted June 03, 2014 10:22 PM |
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kipshasz said:
hooray, democracy!
I've read recently that one of the yank bigshot sons got a job at the company which supervises the pipelines of Ukraine for gas'n'crap. shouldn't there been a referendum for it? because it's... you know... a strategic object?
this basically means the junta gave away a key object to foreign forces. way to go.
1) Remark for others: the picture is from Syria and has nothing to do with Ukraine.
2) Burisma Holdings is a private company and might decide who to hire on its own. This basically means... NOTHING.
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kipshasz
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posted June 03, 2014 10:25 PM |
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privatised strategic companies alrady? well done junta. even our commie turncloaks weren't as fast.
besides even if it's a private company, goverment usually hold the biggest share portion of such enterprises and has the final word to anything.
oh wait. the junta is in the yank pocket already. my bad.
good luck with the destruction of Ukraine. more land for Putler. 
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"Ashan to the Trashcan", "I got PTSD from H7. " - LizardWarrior
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ihor
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posted June 03, 2014 10:33 PM |
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Burisma Holdings was established in 2002 and worked with former governments.
Can you make a small effort and research before posting your early impressions?
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kipshasz
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posted June 03, 2014 10:39 PM |
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Help, help! I'm being opressed!
I can post whatever the hell I like.
It is not like I drove my country down the crapper.
seriously, all this bull had been avoided if the opposing forces wouldn't had acted like goats in a headlock. the opposition wanted more spac enear the feeding tray, and they're used banditism, open terrorism and other crap that's happening right now to further their own goals. soon enough they'll pack their bags and flee under the skirt of Frau Merkel, where along with tymoshenko they'll laught their arses of at you poor sods while that puppet president you elected will take the blame for all this crap.
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