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blizzardboy
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posted January 25, 2015 08:37 AM |
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Sovereign governments are a relatively minor concern compared to far less structured (and less mature) factions getting a hold of them for notorious purposes. The less privileged the technology becomes, the more feasible that can become. There is the optimistic possibility of a gradual deactivation and retirement of nuclear warheads, but that int itself carries enormous concerns, since you would need extensive monitoring to guarantee that all sides are honoring such a process. How can one nation really trust that another isn't holding out somewhere, off the books? Once the genie is out of the bottle it's a seemingly impossible job to shove him back in.
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And that is why Ukraine is on the brink of civil war. On topic post. Ty.
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orzie
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posted January 25, 2015 08:38 AM |
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somi said:
Been following the conflict for some time. A full offensive is going on right now from rebels. Not sure will they try to take the whole Donetsk and Luhansk areas.
Because they are NATIVE to these regions. Good morning.
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Zenofex
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posted January 25, 2015 12:48 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
And that is why Ukraine is on the brink of civil war.
Ukraine was on the brink of civil war last winter, for several months now it's in a state of civil war which is just not officially "announced".
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kipshasz
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posted January 25, 2015 12:54 PM |
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it's a civil war the day maidown heated up.
instead of focusing on their own internal problems which they have a bleeping bleep ton, the goverment of the great US of A is willing to fight the Ivan until the last khokhol dies.
then it's the Balt turn to go and kill ourselves for the glory of freedom and democracy.
Hoo-rah.
but if such a speculative scenario happens, many soldiers here will turn onto their officers. except maybe the fooled youth who wishes to live in "free" and "democratic" world.
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posted January 25, 2015 04:42 PM |
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orzie said:
somi said:
Been following the conflict for some time. A full offensive is going on right now from rebels. Not sure will they try to take the whole Donetsk and Luhansk areas.
Because they are NATIVE to these regions. Good morning.
Yea, same as people that live there that are against rebels and are pro ukraine oriented.
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posted January 25, 2015 05:21 PM |
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Your statement does not explain why the rebels do try to establish control over the rest of Lugansk and Donetsk areas. Mine does.
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Zenofex
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posted February 02, 2015 07:11 PM |
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The US considers to officially start supplying Ukraine with weapons. Officially because unofficially it already does so almost certainly. Two possible reasons for this: 1) either a provocation toward Russia, i.e. no weapons will be sent "officially" and everything is test of the opponent's patience; 2) or the sorry state of the Ukrainian army or rather the "volunteers" sent to fight in the East begin to show too much and the Washington crew see the need to strengthen their investment in Kiev. Either way, another sign that no peace is on the horizon and nobody cares about such a solution.
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posted February 02, 2015 07:14 PM |
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Weren't they only supplying non-combat gear before?
I guess in any case this gives a proper "justification" to move more, and bigger, guns without any sneaky-sneaky.
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Orzie
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posted February 02, 2015 07:16 PM |
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Edited by Orzie at 19:16, 02 Feb 2015.
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Unfortunately yes, the blood will continue.
Like it is said, the US war with Russia will last until the last Ukrainian.
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somi
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posted February 03, 2015 12:22 AM |
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What happened with maidan shooting or MH17? Any news about it, or its still speculations who did what?
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Orzie
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posted February 03, 2015 05:39 AM |
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There were some movies uncovering the subject, but I don't know if they were translated. Maidan shooting has very many odds and ends which lead to some Ukranian now-officials. Meanwhile, like with MH17 and the Odessa massacre, nothing is being investigated by Ukrainian police, which actually says something. They just blame Yanukovitch and are satisfied with lack of official proofs (intending that Yanukovitch's guilt in everything is not needed to be proven).
This Wiki page is translated only on Russian and Ukrainian. It may contain controverse info as usual.
A German investigation suggesting the guilt of Ukrainians
There are also a selection of videos where Berkut shoots the 'peaceful' demonstrants and receives Molotov cocktail blows on a daily basis. But it's not related to snipers.
Also, there are tons of videos in Russian trying to find the truth about snipers, using existing photo/video materials and ballistic research as proofs, but not in other languages. That also may say something.
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Zenofex
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posted February 03, 2015 08:02 AM |
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There is little surprise that the Ukrainian authorities refuse to conduct a real investigation about the Maidan, let alone Odessa, but what's very cool about the whole stuff is that the righteous EU doesn't apply any pressure whatsoever on its wannabe future member to clear at least that spot on its reputation and keeps repeating "Russia should do this, Russia should do that" like these things never happened or like Putin organized them himself and is responsible by default. Of course the Russian government is hardly innocent for the whole crap that Ukraine is currently going through but it doesn't try to preach anything from the moral high ground and suddenly turn blind when something doesn't suit it. What's more, the EU's been trying to advertise itself as a model for democracy and transparency so such double standards hardly help, especially now when some disgruntled members start to question some of the foundations of the structure.
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Orzie
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posted February 03, 2015 08:57 AM |
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Well, the Russian government has its guilt for sure. The guilt covers the lack of pro-Russian activity in Ukraine during 23 years - Russia was too much busy with itself, and missed the turning point when Ukrainian government became pro-Western and anti-Russian at the same time. This is a major fault which we must admit.
Nowadays in Ukrainian schools it is taught that Ukraine was in occupation by the USSR, instead of the fact that the territory of modern Ukraine was actually established thanks to the USSR, including Crimea, Lwow, Ternopol, and other areas never belonging to Ukraine as a country before.
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posted February 03, 2015 09:33 AM |
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There is nothing wrong with wanting closer relationships with the West, with the East or with whatever directions you want. The Ukrainian politicians' approach (save Yanukovych) ever since the so called "Orange revolution" however is to antagonize Russia and advertise the West as some wonderland where everything is flawless and everybody wishes well to the poor post-Soviet country. This is fundamentally wrong on many levels but most of all, it's a strategic idiocy. Russia is Ukraine's neighbour, it's not going anywhere and has much stronger military so deliberately throwing your country on a collision course with it relying on the support of countries hundreds and thousands kilometers away which have no real reason to care about you different fron following their own agenda is grossly irresponsible at best (or you are just a national traitor / foreign agent).
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posted February 03, 2015 10:00 AM |
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Well we love getting things for free, and Ukrainians are no different. Now we see how the EU cares about them and solves their problems for them. The pink dream is crumbling.
I actually wonder what sentiment is present amongst Bulgarian people and Bulgarian government regarding the whole situation.
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Zenofex
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posted February 03, 2015 02:05 PM |
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The government says whatever Brussels and Washington tell it to say of course and acts more or less in accordance with the instructions coming from the EU and US officials. There is a line which they wouldn't cross - mostly because it will risk not only their political future - but otherwise you could expect that they will just parrot Merkel, Cameron, Kerry, etc. Still, it is far more moderate than, say, the Polish government which is very eager to throw crap like this at Russia whenever the opportunity presents itself.
The people are mostly pro-Russian and many view Russia as some big brother or some other romantic nonsense. Some like Putin because he doesn't submit to the pressure of the mainstream powers and seems to (at least partially) have his country's interests at heart which is in contrast with the local politicians who have betrayed most of the national interests throughout the last 25 years and are steadily leading the country toward the greatest demographic catastrophe in its new history. I suppose he wouldn't look exactly like that if there weren't many of the problems with our own state. Nevertheless, Bulgaria has traditionally strong relationships with Russia and the Russians and that can't disappear overnight no matter what the government does. There are also, of course, people who reject everything Russian, mainly because of the Soviet legacy and the until-recently-mainstream fashion to blame all the Universe's problems on the socialist times (which isn't completely overcome yet), hence the USSR. Usually the most zealous representatives of the two groups lack education and "think" more emotionally than rationally, to put it politely.
As far as the propaganda is concerned, both Russia and the West have influence on certain media and pay for spreading disinformation.
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posted February 04, 2015 12:17 AM |
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I'm not surprised Polish politics throw such statements around. It's common knowledge that our government will do anything Americans orders it to do. Making hostile moves against a neighboring nuclear superpower is - obviously - the smartest thing to do around here.
Is it just me that thinks politicians are the scum of the earth?
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posted February 04, 2015 12:27 AM |
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Doomforge said:
Is it just me that thinks politicians are the scum of the earth?
Nope.
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posted February 04, 2015 12:33 AM |
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Doomforge said:
I'm not surprised Polish politics throw such statements around. It's common knowledge that our government will do anything Americans orders it to do. Making hostile moves against a neighboring nuclear superpower is - obviously - the smartest thing to do around here.
Is it just me that thinks politicians are the scum of the earth?
charge of the winged hussars incoming?
pretty much same thing happens over here. as well as sending truckloads of "aid" to them.
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posted February 04, 2015 12:49 AM |
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To be fair, I think there are politicians who actually try to change things in good will. It's just that "the game" forces them into some level of hypocrisy, it's a position where balance relies on not losing masses, many masses involving many sensitivities, if you speak out your mind like a free thinker, your capability dries out because you represent less peope, so here comes scum. I'm all in favor of being merciless when it comes to criticisizing people who are in power but to demonize the position itself categorically, that seems like a dead end street. Somebody will govern, let's make sure they are doing that, not abusing that.
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