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posted March 28, 2014 08:49 AM |
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My idea about war - Also WW III is coming soon
Yeah like i said World War THREE is coming, but i'll talk about that later, for now let's talk about war generally. like all of you know, if mankind doesn't put an end to war, war will put an end to mankind. The most problematic thing is that we don't want war, Our so called "Leaders" do, and that's about the bad side. all these lives, all that pain, all these weapons, all these resources, wasted in POINTLESS wars, which is another bad side, i don't think war has any good side, wars were almost always made for selfish reasons, for example you want to conquer a town, why? cause it's successful, it's doing good and you want it, even through it didn't mean ANY bit of danger to you, and that's greed, who knows, maybe soon enough there will wars for revenge? so yeah, wars aren't positive, nor are they made of any positive things. tell me, are you happy, to see the lives of hundreds, no, thousands of soldiers, having their lives scattered on a battlefield, for the greed of someone? they are used as tools, why? cause these so called "Leaders" are afraid to fight for what they want themselves, and the worst part of it, is that they give you complete bull**** that is almost the reverse of truth, just because of that, hundreds of children lose their fathers, part of their family.
about war, it should be stopped, the problem is even if you did tell your so called "Leader" to stop these pointless wars, he won't, selfishness includes thinking about yourself, you and none else. another bad part is, the more the technology, the worst the war, imagine nuking a town with an atomic bomb just to conquer it, did they civilians do anything to you? no and not one bit, but what does someone selfish care about? money fame and himself of course, they think money can buy them everything, but that's wrong. in fact they don't think about any "economy", wasting **** on war, war is worthless.
and the most bad thing about world war three, the upcoming war, won't be for money or technology or anything as such, it will be for food and water, you know our planet doesn't have infinite water or food. if you compare a world with wars all the time and a world with everlasting peace, the world with wars being carried on all the time is the closest to the end of the world, i call it that cause once water and food supplies end, you starve to death with nothing you are able to do, open your eyes! peace is the best option, well i'll give you a fact: war is wonderful to those who HAVEN'T experienced it, and i personally agree with this, if you know nothing about war, you won't side with ending it. ok so what's the point of war? the planet is divided to hundreds of towns or maybe thousands, but they want to increase their territory, and that's the point of war, you could tell it's selfishness and greed. and that's about all i can say about war.
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posted March 28, 2014 02:18 PM |
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Very interesting topic, thanks for sharing your thoughts. 
Here are my thoughts. I've been told that leading up to WW 1, there was a general "hunger" for war. War was something glorified back then, something which created heroes and many wanted to be a war hero, having lead his fellows to glorious victories through awesome and epic battles.
The actual war was however much different from what had been imagined. No more would the generals place their troops on the battle field like in a game. No more was it an OP colonization nation who easily took out some unprepared victims for king & country. In stead, it was a stalemate of dead and agony. Now the war hunger turned into a war disgust and I think that's a big reason why England and France were so late to declare war on Germany some 20 years later.
Are wars pointless.. well I agree a lot with your thoughts, but I think it's a bit odd to think that many differences, some resulting in wars, a lot resulting in lost lives, also accelerated technology. It's a typical saying that war increases industry which in turn means acceleration of technology which gives better lives for future generations. It's a bit odd like that, if only the wars were thought among non-living objects, at least the real problem, the loss of lives, wouldn't persist. Even then though, no one likes to be controlled by someone else... (even though for us regular people, it probably wouldn't make a lot of difference).
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another bad part is, the more the technology, the worst the war, imagine nuking [...]
True, but I'd like to point out it's because we're advancing faster in offensive technology (how to DESTROY something) than in defensive/preventative (how to AVOID/HELP/SAVE/RESCUE).. when one can imagine the power of the nuclear bomb, if technology had evolved differently, maybe in stead, we'd all be immune to bullets now. E.g. because of so much war, those who invented a genetic alteration which meant gunshot wounds weren't in any way lethal or harmful anymore would prevail. That's an example where technology helped. My conclusion is that it's not technology itself that's the problem, but how it's used.
I think it's analogous to blame the forum for bad posts, when in reality the forum only provides opportunity for bad posts, it's still the poster who makes bad posts ^^
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Speaking of casualties, I remember I saw something about a drone finding a target. But the target was in company with his wife, yet the soldier controlling the drone still fired off, destroying the target and everyone around the target.
While I don't like the idea of someone being a legimate goal like this.. no trials (though I don't approve of the idea that a trial can decide this either), no chance to defend oneself.. the wife was a victim of circumstances in a region where it's hard to figure out how much she was involved and if she'd even been forced into where she was. The saying goes it's better to save an innocent than to judge 10 guilty, but here they didn't seem to care.
If you want to make it more extreme, one can imagine it wasn't only the wife, but the highly pregnant wife, their 2 children, and a puppy... I don't think it'd make any difference. I guess it could even have been a citizen of the country the drone originated from as long as it wasn't someone who called the shot knew, or was somehow involved in politics in a way very important for the country..
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posted March 28, 2014 03:01 PM |
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What Bliz said.
Dang it I forgot to comment on the lack of food/water/resources statement. Water / Food aren't running off. There's this whole ellipse of life going on.
@Herry: If I may, I suggest you divide your statements / arguments / points, into sections by line skipping. This way it becomes much easier to organize your points.
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posted March 28, 2014 03:26 PM |
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nah, the current problem is more about energy sources
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posted March 28, 2014 04:53 PM |
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War and peace
Guys you磛e gotta agree tho. War is realy stupid for all countries it doesnt give profit,it gives pain to everyone. Peace is way to go, every human is their own and free - this shows now. Look how far ahead peace countries are. Countries w/ western democracy and everyone. It创s all fair when you have a country with no war,economics and everything are great when it磗 peace. Economical benfit leads to better stabilised lands and prosper everywhere.,.. 
Everyone can be happy in communion! Stop the war Peace out!
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posted March 28, 2014 05:34 PM |
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Sure war is bad, but how do you base all prosperity of the west due to lack of war? I believe the world is much more complex than that.
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posted March 28, 2014 05:40 PM |
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War and peace 2
We创ve all human. Do you have face like eyes nose mouth ears etc... Yeah pretty sure youre human you磛e got features like every1 else. Teh world is not as komplex as you think, there磗 hope for a better future sure but the world is at its top right now. Its never been better and im glad to live in times like thise.. Peace is key to prosperities which u may see. Imageine going out w/ ur friends and suddenly evry1 is shooting at each other its the worst situation evr. Just chill out everyone im just tryna make a discussion i dont mean to be harmfull.
Prosperities are always cause peace i think. In peacetime ppl can talk to each other easier and leave together instead of harm evry1 else. Its silly.
Peace out <3
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posted March 28, 2014 05:55 PM |
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Then I'll elaborate on my point. What I meant was that there have existed civilizations which have been shielded for wars for centuries while Europe were in constant wars doing time of high progress (as the middle ages ended and the monarchies were toppled across Europe).
Of course it can be argued that prosperity is subjective.. but e.g. plague and similar didn't arise due to war, but because of close contact with animals. Once resistance had evolved, these people could still make people from other parts of the world sick. All sounds pretty bad and it hasn't really anything to do with nations at war.
Take South American countries, there's no war between nations, but civil wars. They hardly were part of WW 2, yet they didn't prosper as the world went to war.
It's simply too extreme an example you give, in stead of having people shooting at each other, imagine they punch each other, fight a little, and maybe one day, this will help them in an unpleasant situation.
So oversimplification and extreme situations aren't going to make good arguments, in my opinion.
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posted March 28, 2014 06:08 PM |
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More war!!!!!!!!!!
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Then I'll elaborate on my point. What I meant was that there have existed civilizations which have been shielded for wars for centuries while Europe were in constant wars doing time of high progress (as the middle ages ended and the monarchies were toppled across Europe).
Yes but have they traded with other countries?Ppl need to interact.Socialize w/ each otheer and keep good relations between countries. Science is accelerating in time, but with hygiene and good health evry1 can do better. I mean if you have war u spend money on army and guns and snow but instead you should spend money on health care,community places and interaction between ppl.You can learn stuff from each other. Small comunities evolve slower than rley big ones.
These wars u speak of i dont know about them. Maybe its like cold war? 
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Of course it can be argued that prosperity is subjective.. but e.g. plague and similar didn't arise due to war, but because of close contact with animals. Once resistance had evolved, these people could still make people from other parts of the world sick. All sounds pretty bad and it hasn't really anything to do with nations at war.
Yh but ppl realized that after a while didnnt they? The things w/ animalss.
& with more ppl comes more scientists and health caring. Evolution acelerates like i said earlyer. It创s all coming togehter. We managed to fite the plague rite,like nopw u can go out and party all u want with/out getting plague in your face Lmaoooooooooooo Its something with war anywayy ppl throw biological warfare or w/E its called in syria and armenia and the other couyntries. Big prayer to them! Im not religus btw
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Take South American countries, there's no war between nations, but civil wars. They hardly were part of WW 2, yet they didn't prosper as the world went to war.
Civilwar=war.To me at least.What does nation matter if we arre all human?
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It's simply too extreme an example you give, in stead of having people shooting at each other, imagine they punch each other, fight a little, and maybe one day, this will help them in an unpleasant situation.
So oversimplification and extreme situations aren't going to make good arguments, in my opinion.
I donn创t think its too extreme.War leads to chaos,whichj leads to death and destruczion. Ppl punching each other ar edumb violence...Unpleasant situations hpapen everywhere but not when u murder something else thats snowing stupid (I THINK))). I don创t think u come with much argument aginst it either,becuase you have no sources ! Right ? j/K broseph we good right?
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posted March 28, 2014 06:13 PM |
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Sure, we're good..
I don't think I need to find sources now that you just admitted to my point that there are more to prosperity than hindering war. Like I wrote at the very start, I agree peace is better than war, but it doesn't mean a nation of war can't have more prosperity than a nation of peace.
People punching each other depends a lot where you're from.. where I'm from, boys and teenage boys will have "for fun" fights, where they push and wrestle quite a bit.
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posted March 28, 2014 06:19 PM |
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EVEN MORE WAR??
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Sure, we're good..
I don't think I need to find sources now that you just admitted to my point that there are more to prosperity than hindering war. Like I wrote at the very start, I agree peace is better than war, but it doesn't mean a nation of war can't have more prosperity than a nation of peace.
People punching each other depends a lot where you're from.. where I'm from, boys and teenage boys will have "for fun" fights, where they push and wrestle quite a bit.
u cant make difference betwwween kids fighting and political matter warss? Cmon dude!!!!
Yes but we can see that nations w/ more peace and communicateion have more prosperities then othrs.Just look at central african reppublic and for example greatbritan where british ppl traded everywhere and got ideas and had like most ppl in the world at some time i think.Biggest countries at least Civilwar is still same as war to me I创d say.Peace is defenitely the biggest factor in getting ur country better. no dobut. wresting is more minimal then big nations war and ppl not advancing in techonoly and science.
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posted March 28, 2014 06:43 PM |
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u cant make difference betwwween kids fighting and political matter warss? Cmon dude!!!!
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Imageine going out w/ ur friends and suddenly evry1 is shooting at each other its the worst situation evr.
I agree peace is a big factor, but the biggest? I don't know. I could ask you to find sources supporting your point, but I don't think it's something any of us is interested in.
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posted March 28, 2014 06:47 PM |
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part 3...
OhforfSake said:
VERY_MUSTANG said:
u cant make difference betwwween kids fighting and political matter warss? Cmon dude!!!!
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Imageine going out w/ ur friends and suddenly evry1 is shooting at each other its the worst situation evr.
yeh man im saying ur friends wound创t shoot you. No1 sane woulda shoot u. if u know how to live,u just go w/ the flow. Not kill some1!!!!!!!
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I agree peace is a big factor, but the biggest? I don't know. I could ask you to find sources supporting your point, but I don't think it's something any of us is interested in.
yh but sources arn创t needed when they are uspported w/ arguments rite? i argued against u and theh source part was just bull snow. Dontt take me 2 seriusly xD
im itnerested in arguing cuz im rly bored atm.got nothing 2do and the subjewct is interesting.rite? peace is the bikggest factor.period !
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posted March 28, 2014 07:10 PM |
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economy can be based on cooperation, but can be based on war too, and that's actually very profitable. of course, that's not profitable for people who live in the warzone, but the point is to attack other countries to dominate them and take their resources. that's not profitable for them, but it is for you. that's what the USA does. the goal of such wars is political domination. the power to decide how the country resources are used.
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posted March 28, 2014 07:14 PM |
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Fauch said:
the point is to attack other countries to dominate them and take their resources.
In theory that's possible. In practice, when was the last time an aggressive war has made the aggressor better off?
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posted March 28, 2014 07:18 PM |
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economy can be based on cooperation, but can be based on war too, and that's actually very profitable. of course, that's not profitable for people who live in the warzone, but the point is to attack other countries to dominate them and take their resources. that's not profitable for them, but it is for you. that's what the USA does. the goal of such wars is political domination. the power to decide how the country resources are used.
but do u think dominaion by war is rite?I创 think that it磗 horrendus that ppl dont even think aboujt the conquences. actions seen by othercountryes as war are gonna destroy the countrys reputasion. period. Do u think 4example iraq war: usa could have gotten more of spending on healthcare and prosperities. iraq got nothing they 1ly got snow for it and in stability.It创s snowing horrendus. now thatt war was not the worst war eva but still its and argument,just gonna prove my poijnt
teh whole idea of attackxng some1 is bad.vefry bad!  ppl shoulld live together in union,. not in wordl filled with racism(wich comes from un educated ppl) asnd so on.evry1 woud get better lifes with world peace...govenmnents just getitng more money to spend on even more war?? sacrificions coud be made,but human lives are at risk. maybe war justifies when country is REEEEEAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYY bad shaped but still.
war is the worst
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posted March 28, 2014 07:43 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean. and I admit it's actually hard to evaluate for average people who won't see the benefits.
I doubt the USA are actually better off because of their agressions, it's rather that they may not have other choices if they want to keep what they have.
that's probably more about the power, than the actual wealth. they most likely don't need the extra resources. if they needed it so bad, they would have trouble growing strong enough to subdue another country. the point is more about depriving people and make them depend on you. of course they now rely more on economy than on wars to achieve that. the goal is most likely to suppress democracy. what is the political weight of people who own little to nothing?
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posted March 28, 2014 07:57 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean. and I admit it's actually hard to evaluate for average people who won't see the benefits.
I doubt the USA are actually better off because of their agressions, it's rather that they may not have other choices if they want to keep what they have.
u sure? I创mean tehy woudn创t do it w/O thinking of consquences ritE?i dont think obama is stupidwhy else woud he be prezident.it+s not just him but all ppl in congress and all probalby together have somethng as a reason. maybe miscalcultions can occur,and agressions i guess its power hunger or smthng.ppl realise they got power and then the ymisuse it.phsycological
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that's probably more about the power, than the actual wealth. they most likely don't need the extra resources. if they needed it so bad, they would have trouble growing strong enough to subdue another country. the point is more about depriving people and make them depend on you. of course they now rely more on economy than on wars to achieve that. the goal is most likely to suppress democracy. what is the political weight of people who own little to nothing?
resouurces r always in need.even 4 us and all other big coyuntrys. wealth=resources.trading is important to the world for improvments. trading is not as eZ withO world peace. us still has reeeeeally big number of poverty.one of d highest in world i think... relaying on economy is alkways the best thing 2do i respect thge obama guys 4 dat tho. as i said earlierower hunger
democracyh should nevr be supressed unless ppl find better ways i创d say
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posted March 28, 2014 08:20 PM |
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In theory that's possible. In practice, when was the last time an aggressive war has made the aggressor better off?
For USA, the first Gulf War against Iraq and imediatly before for Iraq when they attacked Kuwait.
The Colonial wars.
The invasion of Poland and the segregation of jews by Germany during the second war.
Many people see monetary profits as the basic motive for most wars...
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posted March 28, 2014 08:22 PM |
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But when the war had finished the German's weren't better off?
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